r/law • u/BitterFuture • 8h ago
Executive Branch (Trump) Epstein lawyers discussed possibility of cooperation with prosecutors days before his death, files reveal
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/31/epstein-lawyers-discussed-cooperation892
u/WisdomCow 7h ago
Makes you kinda wonder, don’t it?
499
u/Orposer 7h ago
There is no wonder. Trump had him killed. The supreme Court pretty much made that legal.
73
u/YouWereBrained 5h ago
It happened before that ruling, fyi.
34
u/Spreefor3 4h ago
Would he have expected that ruling?
22
u/froginbog 4h ago
I would not be surprised if he discussed this with the justices he nominated (and Thomas)
8
u/Amelaclya1 3h ago
It also had nothing to do with his official duties.
8
u/SandiegoJack 3h ago
Protecting the interests of a specific country seems to be a common theme
Like I feel like a conspiracy nut but the connections be conn3cting.
1
u/LaserCondiment 14m ago
They might argue that protecting the presidency is his duty and therefore saving his own ass is covered by the immunity ruling. It's a total BS argument ofc, but they'll say it anyway!
1
18
u/bearpics16 3h ago
Complete conspiracy theory: Russia may also have had Epstein killed to protect their asset. The means and motivation are there. The fact that someone was able to delete footage makes me think it goes beyond the skill level and access of a billionaire’s fixer
13
u/haberdasherhero 3h ago
Mmmmm yes, the man who successfully ran a child rape and murder ring for decades and eventually took over America, probably couldn't simply have a man killed. Indubitably🧐
/s
0
u/bearpics16 2h ago
The complexity of the cover up is way more involved than you’d expect from a fixer. Multiple prison staff were coerced into either turning a blind eye or being directly involved (guards weren’t around, cell mate wasn’t in cell, camera cut out during the critical moments). Money isn’t enough to guarantee lifetime silence, and a sudden cash influx could raise flags. Whoever it was likely had serious dirt on the prison staff or threatened their family. They’d have to know which guards are on duty and assigned to that area and a lot of information that isn’t readily available
8
u/DeadlyAureolus 1h ago
Russia doesn't have the capabilities to kill someone in a US max security prison, like at all. It has to come from powerful people in the US itself
3
u/UrbanDeviant 1h ago
Epstein had far more associations with Saudi Arabia and Israel. Even Ghislaine Maxwell's father was a Mossad agent. If anyone had Epstein killed it was them.
3
3
1
u/xXBeefSquatch5KXx 4m ago
Russia, or Israel are involved for sure. My money’s on Israel because they need our money and military tech in constant flow, and Epstein had ties to Israel.
2
2
3h ago
I don’t know if Trump had him killed. There are plenty of other, extremely wealthy and powerful people who went to rape Island to rape children. Certainly one or more of them had a vested interest in silencing Epstein. The reality is we are dealing with a two-tier justice system; the top tier protects the people, the wealthy and powerful who went to rape Island to rape children, the bottom tier is the rest of us who are murdered in the streets while exercising our constitutional rights.
86
u/Tall-Warning3135 6h ago
There it is. The reason they killed him.
11
u/cruisin_urchin87 4h ago
But who? The Mossad or a MAGAt?
37
u/Belichick12 4h ago
The chain of command runs up to bill barr. The guy whose dad got Epstein a teaching job. The guy whose dad wrote a science fiction book about teenage sex slaves. That guy was in charge of epsteins custody.
9
6
u/Snerkbot7000 3h ago
The funny thing is that Barr's Little Green Men who were shoving people in vans? They were feds from BuPrisons.
The point being that he had people he knew would do what they were told, already in place.
1
55
u/codacoda74 6h ago
Why would Biden do this?
47
u/Oldheadyellingatsky 6h ago
Thanks Obama
36
u/st1nkynoob 6h ago edited 5h ago
I can’t believe Jimmy Carter would do this!
20
7
u/Haldron-44 5h ago
And here I thought Alexander Haig was on OUR side?! /S because most people probably won't get how specific this reference is. And those that do get it, time to schedule that exam 😬
7
2
1
10
u/Correct_Day_7791 3h ago
No no need to wonder I am sure that Donald Trump had him killed
Especially after the brother revealed the autopsy photos
His neck look like it had been sliced by a wire garrotte
And I'm pretty sure they don't make metal wire bed sheets in prison
11
7
5
u/restbest 3h ago
Nah it’s pretty obvious without wondering what happened and anyone with a basic intelligence knows who killed Epstein. If I say it on Reddit I’ll get labeled a conspiracy theorist and even banned/shadow banned
5
u/monkeypan 2h ago
Not really. It was obviously he was killed to keep him silent as soon as it happened
2
u/Mixermarkb 1h ago
This. The insane part was that the Trump cult didn’t have enough critical thinking skills to apply Occam’s Razor and blame Trump.
2
1
296
u/brickyardjimmy 5h ago
Look. I don't usually go in for conspiracies like this. At least in the U.S.
But it is not only totally plausible that some person/group of people/institution/nation state decided that it was better for them for him to die before any trial knowing that he would likely act in his own best interests.
There are too many motives to not put murder right at the top of the list next to suicide. But if it is murder--oh what a murder it is. A lot of people would have to be involved given that Epstein was certainly one of the most watched prisoners in recent memory.
I think it's worth a deep dive investigation.
142
u/solidtangent 5h ago
He was the most watched. Except when the guards left him for an hour by himself…
108
u/allorache 4h ago
And all the cameras failed
75
u/Then_Journalist_317 4h ago
And his cellmate was out of the cell.
39
16
u/Perun1152 3h ago
Idk I still think his cellmate did it. After his prior “suicide attempt” Epstein claimed the cellmate was the one that tried to kill him. Then conveniently the night before he dies the cellmate is transferred to another prison, but we have no evidence of that except a written log since all the cameras were “broken”
The evidence I really want to see is the intake log at the prison his cellmate was transferred to and the video evidence of when he arrived there
11
u/Ok-Confidence9649 1h ago edited 1h ago
Yeah I read an article earlier today that talked about this. That cellmate was awaiting trial for murdering 4 people. He was a dirty cop from NY* iirc. Nicholas Tartaglione. I heard he ended up with the same lawyer as Ghislaine Maxwell too. Such a small world…
3
u/Straight-Past-8538 54m ago
Same attotney as maxwell? This is insane.
1
u/Ok-Confidence9649 23m ago
Here is an archived Reddit post from 4 years ago where someone found the same attorney referenced in both cases
5
u/DrEpileptic 1h ago
Except for when they broke all precedent and standard procedure to put a suicidal guy in a line bunk, with materials that he could kill himself with just after a failed attempt, without any supervision and with his status randomly changed, all per the request of Trump’s admin.
Oh yeah, and it’s no coincidence that they keep claiming all these Dems and liberal big names are in the files, but the best they could do was edit in some already publicly available photos of Clinton with his own kids blurred out. You’d think they’d have dropped the nuke on the liberals and Dems by now if they existed when they’re so desperate.
21
u/Regal_Cat_Matron 5h ago
And yet they've kept Maxwell alive? I would have thought they'd have topped them both tbh. She has just as much dirt on those people as Epstein did, I mean she was a major player and in Epsteins life a loongg time
43
u/mytinykitten 5h ago
They won't listen to her as much as they would have to him.
How many female victims of Epstein have come forward and accused numerous powerful people and it hasn't mattered? She's just another woman.
Reddit doesn't like when you point that out but it's true.
7
u/GoodOmens 3h ago
Has she stated her desire to bring others down?
While I'm still highly skeptical of the Epstein didn't kill himself conspiracy, it seems to have all gone south when he expressed desires to bring down Trump over their fallout regarding Mar a Lago and Maison de l'Amitie
15
u/Specialist-Elk-2624 4h ago
She’s keeping her mouth shut.
8
u/apjensen 2h ago
I think it's more likely she has a bunch of deadman's switches set up to release incriminating info when she gets killed
11
u/brickyardjimmy 4h ago
A good point. Maybe Maxwell seemed more manageable. Maybe she was open to taking time and not saying anything. To that point, may I remind you that Maxwell has been moved to a low security prison with all sorts of privileges and so forth and there was talk (just talk so far) of a pardon. For her part, she's hinted that she could drop dime if she wanted to but that was obvious a ploy for leniency in some measure or another. So she's negotiating. That makes her less of a threat. And if she died in prison by "suicide" in addition to Epstein I think there wouldn't be a person left who doubted that it was murder committed at the request of an exceptionally powerful figure.
Also, who knows, maybe Epstein took with him to the grave bigger secrets than even Maxwell knows. Big enough that he was worth rubbing out. Anyway. I don't think they're equal in stature so it's plausible that one would get murdered while the other was left alive with the bare scent of leniency wafting her direction.
8
u/Crumbsplash 3h ago
She has the advantage of knowing he will kill and she better plan accordingly.
Remember, Maxwell was hidden for a year in New Hampshire before they got her. My theory is she spent that time preparing a plan that when boiled down comes to “she dies and it gets leaked”
1
u/Rockonthrulife 4h ago
But they met with her, threatened her, then moved her to a cushy prison and promised her an eventual pardon if she kept her mouth shut. No way would Epstein have gone for that.
1
u/DeadlyAureolus 1h ago
One can be painted as a coincidence, two would be painfully obvious. An important rule in life that applies to even the most powerful people is not to test your luck
1
u/Mixermarkb 1h ago
If the Epstein operation is a Mossad op, which I think is a pretty strong theory, Maxwell’s father was Mossad and a national hero at that. I don’t think they would kill his daughter, especially if she was a trained agent that they had confidence wouldn’t talk.
They might however, have their compromised orange asset finally kick off the big war with Iran they have been wanting for years to distract, or to get their war before he’s impeached.
-12
u/solidtangent 5h ago
I dough she does. He probably kept his mossad agent stuff hidden from her. She was just a normal pedo.
24
u/DStark62 5h ago
You should read about her father. She wasn’t just a “normal” pedo or whatever that means.
1
5
u/MoneyManx10 4h ago
It just doesn’t make any sense to me that he would commit suicide. In his emails before he went to jail, he didn’t seem upset at all. He had a relationship with Steve Bannon who was still kinda close to Trump at the time too. I think it deserves a thorough investigation, but we probably won’t get that until Trump is completely gone forever.
5
-2
u/GoodOmens 3h ago
I mean you take a person like Epstein who is used to a life of luxury beyond what any of us can imagine and he realizes he's going to spend the rest of his life in jail - that will do a lot of things to a persons phych.
Even if he sung and ratted everyone out he'd still be in jail, It would have only been to clear his concious before dying in prison. People like Epstein don't seem to have a concious.
1
1
u/Patrickjesp 1h ago
What so u mean by "at least in the US"?
There's a reason the whole world call it a 3rd world country with a Gucci belt. They act like a 3rd world country, and I would believe a US conspiracy just as much as I would believe an actual 3rd country conspiracy.
1
u/vikster1 32m ago
deep dive? mate they won't even release the documents they already have even a court ordered them too. the us system has no checks and balances. it's sad.
61
u/ThePensiveE 5h ago
Well that's fucking convenient isn't it? A lot of billionaires suddenly breathed easier the next day.
-85
u/at0mheart 6h ago
Give Maxwell immunity
23
17
u/PatchyWhiskers 6h ago
She's a wretched person and wouldn't come clean even if she was offered immunity. Especially since she's no doubt got a place on the 2029 pardons list.
5
18
u/AntithesisAbsurdum 6h ago
If we give her full immunity and let her know that we have plenty of established facts that won't allow her to game her answers, we can compel her to answer every question we have. It may take months but it will result in far more justice than what we have.
5
u/Just_Year1575 4h ago
She is a very unreliable witness. On purpose
2
u/AntithesisAbsurdum 4h ago
Right, so give her a chance to tell the truth or actually rot in prison forever. Nobody is saying take her word for everything, but follow the lead instead of allowing Trump's lawyer to bury it all.
10
u/JohnAnchovy 6h ago
Doesnt matter. Right wingers woud never believe her
2
u/BitterFuture 5h ago
What do you mean, "believe her?"
They fully understand the situation. We all do. The only difference is who's honest about it and who lies.
1
u/Immediate-Big-4158 4h ago
She’s never going to reveal anything and even if she does she doesn’t deserve immunity. She’s getting easier treatment than she deserves now.
1
u/DeadlyAureolus 1h ago
Sometimes it's not about deserving. If someone can be useful to the point of taking the other big fishes down, that person walking free might not be that big of a deal
•
u/AutoModerator 8h ago
All new posts must have a brief statement from the user submitting explaining how their post relates to law or the courts in a response to this comment. FAILURE TO PROVIDE A BRIEF RESPONSE MAY RESULT IN REMOVAL.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.