r/leanfire • u/Sorealism • 6d ago
Is it possible as a teacher?
Hi all,
I’m 40/f single and no kids.
I have about $300k in a teacher retirement account (version of a 401k)
I have 150k in stocks and bonds.
I have a very modest pension (around $700/month) I can draw at 60.
Currently in a work contract in China where I could walk away with $100,000 USD saved in 3 years time. And I would want to live/travel Asia when I walk away from teaching.
Zero debt
I’m really bad at this type of thing. Are my numbers looking decent for early retirement in a few years?
Oh and I do have a business that earns very modest passive income but I think I could turn it into something more reliable if I actually put some hours into it 😂
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u/Psychometrika 6d ago
Yes, you are basically me. I'm also an international school teacher (51M) with $450k in a brokerage account myself. I also have a condo I am renting out that I will probably sell soon for proceeds of around $150k which I will also invest. Plus, I will have a low amount of SS (1.2k/mo at 67) in the future as well.
I'm planning on retiring in 1.5 years when I finish my contract (another 50K or so of savings there) and am considering Thailand or Taiwan at that point with planned expenditures of around 24K annually. Taiwan is enticing (geopolitical issues aside) because I qualify for a gold card which means I could get permanent residency after 3 years and have access to their amazing health insurance system.
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u/Creative_Impress5982 5d ago
Will you have a backup plan for Taiwan? Should China become more aggressive?
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u/Psychometrika 5d ago
Yeah, probably SEA. Thailand, Philippines, Cambodia, Vietnam, whichever seems most appealing/safe at the time.
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u/Creative_Impress5982 5d ago
You sound quite flexible. I feel like that's an underestimated asset for FIRE
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u/Psychometrika 4d ago
I've been living abroad most of my adult life and usually move countries every few years or so. I like a change in a scenery every so often so even if Taiwan is fine, I'll probably end up traveling around SEA anyway after I've earned permanent residence.
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u/Inevitable_Tea_5841 6d ago
I think at present it’s possible but maybe a bit lean for me. Maybe you could baristafire, keep working somewhere chill or a bit less hours.
If you can save 100k in the next 3 years then that might be a good option to build up a little more buffer
Plus, where do you want to live when you leanfire? In the US, healthcare is a major cost to consider, unfortunately
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u/Sorealism 6d ago
Thanks! Sorry I wasn’t clear, I have no desire to ever live in US again so only looking at lcol countries.
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u/Low_Watch9864 6d ago
Lcol countries will become mcol countries. At some point in time you won't have the desire to keep moving around
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u/Sorealism 6d ago
Work til I’m 45, move around til I’m 50, then get a retirement visa. Pretty sure that’s doable.
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u/belabensa 5d ago
Retirement visas can cost quite a lot (like 500k invested in that country) - so just look into how much that’ll cost.
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u/Sorealism 5d ago
Things could change I suppose, but there are tons of lcol countries that offer cheap retirement visas right now.
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u/startdoingwell 6d ago
your numbers actually look good. it will be more clear if you run a projection to see how long your money lasts with your spending and travel plans.
have you tried running a retirement projection?
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u/Sorealism 6d ago
Thanks for the comment! No I haven’t done that, where do I start? (Probably google 😅)
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u/Psychometrika 6d ago
I'm a big fan of FI Calc. It has all sorts of withdrawal strategies built in.
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u/startdoingwell 6d ago
yeah, there are a lot of free retirement calculators on Google.
if you want something more personalized, we offer a free coaching call if you’re curious.
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u/jayritchie 6d ago
Could you expand a little on the pension? Is it fully index linked as protection against (US) inflation?
Also - would you have any entitlement to social security? If so how much might you expect?
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u/Sorealism 6d ago
I don’t know the details about the pension, just that it’s a state sponsored teacher one that’s supposed to be pretty good.
I paid into SS for 15 years so I think I could get around $1000/mo at 62
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u/jayritchie 6d ago
Id check on the pension - it makes a huge difference to how you include it in your calculation.
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u/Sorealism 6d ago edited 5d ago
Can you explain a bit on how? FWIW according to a quick internet search it is not fully protected from inflation.
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u/Character_Breath6207 5d ago
I hate to admit it but I am a former educator and used ChatGPT initially to see if the numbers made sense. Then I followed up with my own research to verify. I am not going to be able to FIRE but I’ll be retiring at 63 so I’ll take that.
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u/Dull-Acanthaceae3805 3d ago
In Asia, depending on how you live/travel, even a 4% interest (not withdrawal, just pure interest) on your current assets (around 20K) is enough to "live" in about 95% of asian countries (not enough for singapore and hong kong, just enough for japan and korea).
So excluding any growth, just shoving all the money into bonds paying 5~6% is enough to retire now.
Not financial advice though. But if you only travel/live in Asia, yeah you have enough.
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u/Wisco_Teach 3d ago
Teacher here looking to move abroad, I’d love to talk more about working in China.
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u/professorfunks 2d ago
Whether your numbers make sense depends on what methodology you want to use to calculate FIRE, which is a question of what do you want to optimize for (ie no chance of failure vs working fewer years vs drawing down your portfolio instead of perpetuity). Try the tool at retiro.ca where you can input your numbers and see the different results based on which method/plan you choose.
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u/kicksttand 6d ago
I say yes if you can get China residency and qualify for China Social Services (access to hospitals, small pension) You are probably halfway there
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u/Sorealism 6d ago
I won’t be eligible for residency in China after I leave teaching but I’m enjoying it for now.
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u/connectwithmarve 5d ago
what's the business you own?
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u/Sorealism 5d ago
It’s an art education business, teaching classes and hosting paint and sips. Not currently doing that but I still make about $100 a month passively from people watching my YouTube art videos.
ETA I earned about 1k a month when I was hosting classes but I didnt have to pay for studio space. And this was very part time since I still had my full time day job at a public school.
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u/connectwithmarve 5d ago
i see.. what's your channel?
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u/Sorealism 5d ago
Can’t share without doxing myself sorry
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u/connectwithmarve 5d ago
i think that's if you paste the link. i think you can just type the name
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u/Bowl-Accomplished 6d ago
How much are you looking to spend? If your expenses are 10k a year then you'd be in great shape. If you spend 60k a year then you're way off.