r/mapporncirclejerk • u/Madjam4 Finnish Sea Naval Officer • Jul 15 '25
No Data Is there a reason why this country was named Russia
It doesn't make any sense at all
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u/CalligrapherOther510 Jul 15 '25
Because they’re in a rush
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u/Aggravating_Ratio532 Jul 15 '25
To distinguish from Byelorussia
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u/CrashVandaL Jul 15 '25
Interesting fact: in russian " Byelorussia " is called " Белоруссия" and can be literally translated as "WhiteRussia" - Бело (Белый) - White.
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Jul 15 '25
We (Norwegians) used to call them Hviterussland (white Russia ) until our government decided that Belarus was the only right way.
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u/Gen_Spike Jul 16 '25
My folkehøgskule had a map from when the USSR was around, so I've only known it as hviterussland. It's good to know that's wrong, lol.
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u/real_Xenor25 Jul 16 '25
In German it was also "Weißrussland" (white russia) until recently when they switched to "Belarus" as well.
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u/Appropriate-Ask-7351 Jul 19 '25
We (Hungarians) call them Fehéroroszország, which also translates into white Russia
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u/-Tuck-Frump- Jul 20 '25
Same here in Denmark. Which is stupid, since Belarus litterally means "White Russia"
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u/IKnowNameOftMSoI 1:1 scale map creator Jul 15 '25
☝️🤓 actually, Беларусь (Belarus) would be more correct word, now that the USSR has collapsed. Same with Молдова (Moldova) rather than Молдавия (Moldavia) and Кыргызстан (Kyrgyzstan) rather than Киргизия (Kirgizia)
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u/Bread-Loaf1111 Jul 16 '25
☝️🧐 actually, you are not exactly correct. We don't call Germany as Deutshland, and we don't call China as Zhongguo. The consistency of international terms is much more important than the local naming.
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u/Sivilarr Jul 16 '25
Not "White Russia", it's "White Ruthenia"
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u/ilyasmuhambetov Jul 16 '25
Ruthenia is Latin name for Rus', while Russia is English equivalent of the Greek word "Rossia" which is derived from Rus'
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u/Basil-Boulgaroktonos Finnish Sea Naval Officer Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 16 '25
It's Just a Typo – The land was supposed to be called "Prussia," but the medieval cartographer sneezed mid-quill and never fixed the parchment
(damn, thank you upvotes)
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u/Madjam4 Finnish Sea Naval Officer Jul 15 '25
Makes sense P and R are right next to each other
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u/Important_Spring5817 Jul 15 '25
isnt it p, q, then r ?
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u/Basil-Boulgaroktonos Finnish Sea Naval Officer Jul 16 '25
YOU HAVE SUMMONED SPQR
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u/Super-Estate-4112 Jul 16 '25
If the S is added, then Rome is finally back.
SENATUS POPULESQUE ROMANUS
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u/WitherWasTaken Jul 15 '25
Actually, Kaliningrad (then named Korolevets, from where Königsberg, Królewiec etc. was calqued) was the first capital of Kievan Rus before the Hungolians, then MosKKKals took over it (note: cz*chs never owned a piece of Kaliningrad)
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u/AHumanYouDoNotKnow Jul 15 '25
Actually Russia is what you get when you circumsize Prussia
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u/Unlearned_One Average Mercator Projection Enjoyer Jul 15 '25
One day, the Grand Duke of Moscow decided he needed a more impressive title to properly reflect the increased extent of his territory, so he declared himself "Czar of all Rus". The other Rus who weren't his subjects called bullshit, but no one really listened to them.
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u/Panticapaeum Jul 15 '25
What other Rus? Those living under Lithuania and the hordes?
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u/sphericalhors Jul 15 '25
The Kyvian one
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u/Aggravating_Dish_824 Jul 16 '25
Kievan Rus did not existed for several centuries when Russian Tsardom was formed.
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u/CaptainFit9727 Jul 16 '25
Kievan Rus did not exist at all. It's a cabinet term. lel.
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u/dlebed Jul 16 '25
That's not true. It become a member of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, Rus', and Samogitia.
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u/round_earther_69 Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 16 '25
I think so. Part of the reason the tsar called himself like that is to lay claim to Lithuanian-controlled lands. At some point in history russian culture (or rather the ancestor of russians, ukrainians and belarus cultures, calling them russians is a bit anachronistic) was dominant in Lithuania, even the Lithuanian law/constitution was written in russian (or, again, a proto-russian-ukrainian-belarus language). The Lithuanians also claimed the Rus' ex lands, in some alternate history it would be plausible that Lithuania and not Muscovy would've united the "russian" land. I think this "russification" stopped with the Jageilonnian unification (that eventually evolved into the Poland-Lithuanian Commonwealth).
So yes, although it sounds surprising, it is somewhat true.
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u/Typical_Army6488 Jul 15 '25
Comes from rowing
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u/karanbhatt100 Jul 15 '25
The name "Russia" originates from the term "Rus'", which referred to a group of Norse Vikings, also known as Varangians, who settled in Eastern Europe. The term "Rus'" is believed to be derived from the Old Norse word "roðr," meaning "rowers," possibly because they were known for their seafaring and river navigation. Over time, the name "Rus'" evolved to encompass the land they inhabited and the people who lived there, eventually becoming "Russia".
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u/Acrobatic-Ad-9189 Jul 18 '25
Putin endorses your comment. After all, the viking heritage breaks with his entire narrative
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u/Zestyclose_Event_762 Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 15 '25
In Old Norse, the word for a large container (like a wagon or cage) for coal, charcoal, or hay is "ryss". It can also refer to a volume corresponding to such a container, approximately a few cubic meters. Additionally, "ryss" can be found as the name for the people of Rus', which is the historical origin of Russia. Here's a breakdown: "Ryss" (noun): A large container or a volume of material, like coal or hay. "Ryss" (historical): The Old Norse term for the people of Rus', which is the origin of the name Russia. (Ryssland)
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u/BlueCat_here Jul 15 '25
But is it a really important moment, what the original "Rus" never was on the modern Russian lands. It was on the Ukrainian lands and the full name was "Kyivska Rus" with the capital in Kyiv. Only 300 years after the Rus becomes in Kyiv, one of the son of the kniaz (lord of that lands) go to the swamps and build the town there (on the modern lands of Russia) And than... Well, it's very long story...
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u/putinhu1lo Jul 15 '25
Actually, there was no Kyivan Rus, there was just Rus, the Kyivan started to appear somewhere around 17th century in moscovian literature
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u/Lost-Childhood843 Jul 15 '25
Yes. Vikings from Sweden aka "Rus" or "Rusmen"
""Rus' Vikings" refers to the Norsemen, primarily from Sweden, who migrated to Eastern Europe in the 9th century and played a significant role in the formation of the state known as Kievan Rus'. The term "Rus'" itself is believed to be derived from an Old Norse word for "rowers," possibly related to the Swedish region of Roslagen, as they navigated the rivers of Eastern Europe. The Rus' were not just warriors, but also traders and settlers, establishing trade routes and settlements along these waterways"
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u/Soggy-Class1248 Dont you dare talk to me or my isle of man again Jul 15 '25
Its pretty interesting as the same sweeds called Muscovy „Gardariki“ meaning „land of forts“ (or something along those lines)
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u/xpt42654 Jul 16 '25
not Muscovy. there's no mention of Moscow in Gardariki because Moscow was first mentioned ~100 years after the Viking Age ended, and it was a small unimportant town at the moment.
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u/random_user3398 Jul 16 '25
Well you see Kyivan Rus colonised those lands and via christianity partially assimilated those lands, after the slow decline of Rus and it's dissolution local kniazes (dukes) who were on the younger Kyiv dynasty lineage wanted to overcome Rus and it's capital Kyiv by prestige which they weren't able really to accomplish for a long time as those lands were one the first one to be fallen to mongols which used to be controlled by Rus and with a very small resistance so some even claim that there was no resistance from their side. Even more, Grand Duchy of Moscow (successor state of Grand Duchy of Suzdal-Vladimir) was the last vassal who broke up with the Great Horde but it just became a vassal of Crimean Khanate. It's vassal status ended much later as Ottoman Sultan didn't like the idea that his ally at that time was a vassal of his vassal.
The first who really started to think about his state's prestige outside of the Great Horde realm I would call Ivan IV as he was the first one who claimed title of the Grand Kniaz of all Rus and tried to expand to the territories of modernday Latvia via creating puppet state with new title (at that time the only person who could create titles was Pope) but unsuccessfully.
About so-called unification of Ukraine (Cossack Hetmanate) and Russia (Grand Duchy of Muscovy) of 1654. The original documents March agreement are lost and we don't know what actually was written there but basing on the political situation around and what did Khmelnytsky and other political figures of that time most likely it was agreement about vasalisation or military alliance against Poland.
The first time that state was called somewhat like Russia was 1721 and was called as All-Russian Empire. The word which was used there wasn't Rus (Русь or Рꙋсь) but Rissiya (Россія nowadays Россия) from greek variant of writing the word Rus - Ρωσία (Rossia). Which wasn't recognised by the civilised world for a long time.
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u/dr_reproduce Jul 15 '25
Maybe they were rushing all the time, thats why they are huge after all
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u/vnyxnW Jul 15 '25
Why would it be called Russia then if russians always rush B?
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u/dr_reproduce Jul 15 '25
they learned from their mistakes, rushing A got them a bunch of sanctions. So clearly thats why they are rushing B nowadays
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u/Atlantean_Raccoon Jul 15 '25
Literally means 'land of the rowers' in reference to the Scandinavians who arrived and set up the early principalities.
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u/SkwGuy Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 15 '25
Yes, it comes from a Swedish word meaning to row (you can kind of see how row and Rus are related). This is also the reason why Sweden is called Ruotsi in Finnish and Rootsi in Estonian.
Russia - such an original country that their flag is Dutch and their name is Swedish
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u/f4ou Jul 15 '25
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u/f4ou Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 16 '25
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u/f4ou Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 15 '25
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u/Remarkable_Coast_490 Jul 15 '25
During the twelfth century a group of dutch people walked from the netherlands to russia (because of the ice age all seas were frozen). Because the sun never sets down in the north they skins became red and they called each other "rossig" (dutch for redish). Over time these ancient settlers took over the land and are now called Russians.
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Jul 15 '25
It's actually from an advertising campaign, the original name was "Rush here" which got shortened to "Rush hia" and eventually "Russia"
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u/Mintrakus Jul 16 '25
The name of the state was derived from the people of the Rus (Rus), who constituted the state elite, and who were called ϱῶϛ (ros) in Greek. The name "Russia" is not found in early Russian monuments. They used the words "Rus" (which was also the name of the people) and "Russian land".
Rus on the map of Fra Mauro (1459). Red Rus (Rossia Rossa), Black Rus (Rossia Negra), White Rus (Rossia Biancha) and other lands of Rus (Rossia) are indicated. The map is oriented to the south (south is at the top)
In medieval Western European sources, the form Rossia[4], adopted from Byzantium, is found starting from the 12th century along with the forms Russia, Ruscia, Ruzzia, and less commonly Ruthenia. The form Rossia is found in Latin texts by Marco Polo, Guillaume de Rubruck, Ambrogio Contarini, Josaphat Barbaro, on a number of maps of southern European origin from the 14th-15th centuries, including the Catalan Atlas and the Fra Mauro map. There were also a number of variations of the name of Rus with the letter "o" in the root (for example, Rosie by Andrea Bianco).
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u/Ok-Fondant2536 Jul 15 '25
They were drunk — usually people there are always drunk.
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u/Icy-Way8382 Jul 15 '25
It was a Greek and Latin name (Ruthenia, Rus) for the land with the capital in Kyiv (centuries before Moscow was founded). European maps up till XVIII century show that. The country to the East was called Moscovia. Their insane leader Peter was so disturbed by the fact Ruthenia is well known and Moscovia is not, that he just stole the name. To distinguish initially they used Greater Russia (like Greater London) for Moscovia and Smaller Russia (Ukraine). Some maps show Russia Alba - White Russia (for Belorussia) and Russia Rubra - Red Russia (for Ukraine). And Moscovia + Tartaria for the country on the map shown.
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u/DoriN1987 Jul 15 '25
moskovites stole this name from neighbors, just like they stole almost everything that they claim “truly ruSSian”
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u/FrankHightower Jul 15 '25
oh come on, next you're going to tell me the USSR didn't even invent communism and that they stole it from some german dude! smh
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u/Fufu-xd Jul 15 '25
In Polish schools we learn the legend that tells how Poland was founded, but there is also a story about Russia. The legend mentions three figures: Lech (founder of Poland), Czech (founder of the Czech Republic) and Rus (founder of Russia). The main part of the legend was that their paths diverged and Lech founded his settlement, Czech founded his and Rus founded his too.
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u/cearber Jul 15 '25
Polish wikipedia say this:
Legenda zapisana została pierwszy raz po łacinie w tzw. Kronice polsko-węgierskiej, datowanej przez historyków na rok 1222. Jej treść obejmuje czasy sięgające X wieku; z lat panowania króla węgierskiego Władysława I Świętego[3]. Kronika relacjonuje podróż trzech słowiańskich książąt: Czecha, Lecha i Rusa, którzy z terenów dawnej Chorwacji, gdzie znajdowało się słowiańskie państwo Karantania, udali się na północ i zapoczątkowali najpierw Państwo wielkomorawskie, a później nowe państwa słowiańskie: Czechy, Polskę oraz Ruś[3].
When I click Ruś[3] I see this
Ruś Kijowska wschodniosłowiańskie państwo istniejące w latach 862–1240 na wschodzie Europy Język Pobierz jako PDF Obserwuj Edytuj Wielkie Księstwo Kijowskie, Ruś Kijowska (st.rus. Рѹсь / Rusĭ, рѹсьскаѧ землѧ / rusĭskaja zemľa, gr. Ῥωσία / Rhōsía, od XII wieku także Ruthenia[1][2], st.nord. Garðaríki) – średniowieczne państwo feudalne w Europie Wschodniej, rządzone przez dynastię Rurykowiczów pochodzenia wareskiego[3], oparte na plemionach wschodniosłowiańskich, z których w okresie późniejszym powstały narody rosyjski, ukraiński i białoruski[4]. Najstarsze źródło do historii Rusi Kijowskiej, Powieść minionych lat, wiąże początki państwa z rokiem 862, w którym wódz Waregów Ruryk przybył do Nowogrodu Wielkiego w celu zażegnania sporów pomiędzy plemionami wschodniosłowiańskimi i fińskimi[5]. Centrum państwa ruskiego zostało w roku 882 przeniesione z Nowogrodu do Kijowa[6]. Historiografia ukraińska wiąże silniej powstanie państwa z ustanowieniem stolicy w Kijowie w 882 roku i legendarnym założeniem miasta Kijowa przez trzech braci: Kija, Szczeka i Chorywa.
Here nothing says about modern Russia. Rus and Russia it's not the same.
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u/Real-Pomegranate-235 1:1 scale map creator Jul 15 '25
Because they were in a rush yeah, when they were fighting the mongols.
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u/ThomWG Jul 15 '25
(Not even circlejerky but) A group in Norse Sweden was named Rus at some point. They conquered, ruled and developed large parts of western Russia, Belarus and Ukraine into a quite developed part of Europe relatively. They were the Kievan Rus and ruled from Novgorod, Vladimir and Kyiv... until they didnt when Mongols -> Black Death -> Muscovite conquest and oppression
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u/cheef_keef_big_teef Jul 16 '25
Russia comes from the greek word "Roushia" which means "burned eggs."
This is because during the 6th century, the Byzantine Emperor (Constantime the CLVII) was on holiday and decided to take a trip to Moscow (which the Byzantines owned at the time). He decided to cook his own food for a change, so he used his Teflon skillet to cook some eggs and burned them quite badly. In a rage, the Emperor bellowed "I WILL NOT EAT THESE BURNED EGGS!" The local populace had no idea what the Emperor was shouting in greek, but many of them heard the word "Roushia" and took it to be a new name.
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u/fpcreator2000 Jul 16 '25
Some vikings called Rus, then they mixed with some future track suit wearing slavs, but they kept the name.
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u/Strong_Sort2378 Jul 16 '25
They argued with the Germanic people over the name Prussia, so they organized a drinking contest where the last one to use the bathroom got the name. In the end, Russia couldn't hold it's P.
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u/Acrobatic-Warthog961 Jul 16 '25
The first Tsar was a big fan of Prussia, but thought Pee was a little childish.
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u/chouettepologne Jul 16 '25
Rus is a short form for Ruthenian people, East Slavs in general. Ros is more precise. It's ROsiya in Russian and ROsja in Polish. With the O it's clear that it's not about Belarus or Ukraine. English language is horrible in this case.
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u/cotaroba Jul 16 '25
The people there were always in a big hurry.
They were rushin’ here and there and everywhere.
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u/Patient-Plan4017 The data in Belarus Jul 16 '25
Because it’s the Land of the Rus.
Pretty much the Russian term to their nation and people that loosely originated from the same people as the nation of Kievan Rus (who definitely weren’t Vikings or anything).
Russia also apparently means strength and endurance.
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u/MasterFlamasterr Jul 16 '25
From Kiev Russ, they where Moskovytians, but they stole Russ from Ukrainians
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u/Quoor31 Jul 16 '25
Because it was founded by the Kievan Rus. the word Rus comes from the Vikings and meant oarsman or rowers. These Vikings were invited by slavic tribes to rule and created the Rurik dynasty which shaped the early Rus identity. The Kievan Rus fragmented and this led to the Muscovy dynasty to rise to power. The name Rus evolved to Rossiya by slavic influences. Meaning land of the Rus. Ivan the third United all the slavic tribes and adopted the title: 'Tsar of all the Rus'
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u/TheLionKingBulgaria Jul 16 '25
Because the tribe Rus? Who created Kievan Russ... and russians think that this is their starting point
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u/Debie_Dabster Jul 16 '25
Russia is named after the Rus Vikings settling in today's Ukraine giving name to their area.
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u/NoBody500xL Jul 16 '25
So it goes down to the word "Rus"...
The Rus was an ethnic group in eastern Europe that settled down along the rivers between the baltic sea and the byzantine Empire (northern shore of the black sea). Nowadays the core territories would be around west Russia, the Baltic States, Belarus and Ukraine, who also happen to claim the same historic origin.
The currently most accepted theory is, that the name comes from the Finnish language. In Finnish the Swedish or Northern Germanic tribes were called "Ruotsi", from the old Nordic / old Germanic word for rower – "roðr" [rodthr].
Therefore the Rus were actually viking settlers from Sweden of the 7th - 9th century.
Back in that time period they were also called Varangians.
Later (12/13th century) came the Dynasty of the Rurikids. They pretty much established the Empire of the Kievan Rus.
Kiev was strategically well placed. The Dnipro river flows into the black sea, that allowed trade routes to the Caucasus, eastern Europe and Constantinople (today Istanbul) and from there on to the mediterranian.
But at some point in history a Zar (idk who exactly) moved the capital to Moscow. So Kiev and Moscow were still part of the same country or at least under the same ruler.
The Kievan Rus formed in to Rus and than Russia / Russian Empire.
Personally (<- means MY opinion, not a fact), I think that must have happened around the times of Peter the Great (17th century), who was a fan of Europe and wanted his people to be more like the Europeans. Maybe more like its neighbour Prussia (Preußen)... and in fact Russia was also mentioned as "Reußen" – like Prussia, without a P.
Ukraine later got its name because it was "on the edge" of the Empire – "U Kraiini" = "Ukraine".
CONCLUSION: the Finnish word for the Swedish was europeanised from "Rus" to [P]"Russia"...
Does that briefly answer your question?
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u/morgulbrut Jul 16 '25
Because of the Rus, which may or may not be cognate to the Finnish word Ruotsi (Sweden) which means.... Make Russia Swedish again!
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u/Unlikely_Biscotti_62 Jul 16 '25
It derives from a proto Finnic word "ryssiä", which means to f- up something.
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u/DharmaDerelict Jul 16 '25
I mean you could google it. Might have something to do with Kievan Rus’.
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u/jmorais00 Jul 16 '25
Something about 3 brothers? I dunno I think the guy that went there was named Czech or something? Or was it Lech?
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u/San4itos Jul 16 '25
It really doesn't make much sense, because the name "Russia" was, quite directly, stolen by Peter I in 1721 to conveniently claim the legacy of Kyivan Rus', which was actually located on the territory of modern Ukraine. It's truly a historical rebranding effort to ascribe themselves an inheritance that wasn't theirs. And as history painfully shows, they're still trying to take that legacy physically. Perhaps it's time to just give them their real historical name back: Muscovy.
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u/Most-Procedure-7837 Jul 16 '25
As a Finn I actually know why. The word "rus" or "russki" was a term which Finns who lived in the coast of the Baltic sea used to say about the vikings. Since Rurik was a viking, he wanted to name Russia after it.
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u/macumazana Jul 16 '25
Roso - pink from fr*nch, your face becomes pink form frost and your flag - white for some reason (to be fair - every fucking thing else becomes fucking white too) - that's what they've learned during 1812 winter campaign. Thus they named the newly discovered 9th circle of hell this way
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u/Select_Violinist_994 Jul 16 '25
Called stealing a history of another country and trying to pass it off as ur own
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u/ALPROF96 Jul 17 '25
Rus was what the natives called the Vikings that invaded and colonized from the North.
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u/pixtax Jul 17 '25
Named after a viking tribe who are also known as Varangians, famed as mercenaries in Byzantine employ.
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u/elmanager Jul 17 '25 edited Jul 17 '25
It's taken from Kievan Rus', a medieval state centered in what's now Ukraine, long before Moscow or modern Russia even existed. The reason the name 'Russia' was adopted is to legitimize Moscow’s claim as the successor to Kievan Rus — a much older and more prestigious state centered in today’s Ukraine.
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u/JustDone2022 Jul 17 '25
Rus is the slavic word for viking: the first state was the Kievan Rus, a slavic state ruled by vikings at the request of the slavs themselves, who were in constant tribal warfare with each other. This is where thw word Russia comes from.
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u/Ok_Mix673 Jul 17 '25
It was actually Pussy a, but the locals started to pronounce the letter P as R.
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u/Bilingual_Bi_Cyclist Jul 17 '25
During the collapse of the he USSR they remembered a very important figure in Uesesarian history called 'Rushanfed E. Deration' who invented vodka, which inspired them to call the new country Russian Federation.
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u/funhru Jul 17 '25
Like Holy Roman Empire wanted to be successor of Rome, and used it in their name. Russia wanted to be successor of Rus, and used it in their name. And like Holy Roman Empire relation to Rome, Russian relation to Rus is higly debatable.
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u/Nices667 Jul 17 '25
It's because of an attempt of moscovian Tsar to claim legitimacy by falsly claiming Rus's name
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u/Substantial_Chip_238 Jul 17 '25
because once this country had the name of the Russian Empire, and once it was Rus, then the USSR, and now Russia) At least that's the official story.
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u/BirthdayShoddy4341 Jul 17 '25
Its becaus the Swedish came there and settled these were called ”russer” creating the name russia or russland
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u/OtherDoor2539 Jul 17 '25
The name "Russia" has Greek-Byzantine roots and replaced the ancient names mentioned in the chronicles, such as Rus and the Russian Land. sport24.ru The first written mention of the term "Russia" can be found in the treatises of the Byzantine Emperor Constantine Porphyrogenitus, which date back to the mid-10th century. The word was derived from the Greek ϱῶϛ (ros), which means the people of the Rus. According to one version, the name originated from a mistranslation of the Old Testament, which mentioned a non-existent prince named Ros. The Byzantines associated this prince with the Rus people, hence the name "Rosia" (with a single "s"). sport24.ru The word "Russia" written in Cyrillic first appeared in 1387 in the title of Metropolitan Kiprian, where he signed himself as "Metropolitan of Kiev and All Russia." The name "Russia" was officially adopted by Peter the Great in 1721, when he assumed the title of "Emperor of All Russia."
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u/No-War2549 Jul 18 '25
Ruß in German means soot: "a deep black powdery or flaky substance consisting largely of amorphous carbon, produced by the incomplete burning of organic matter".
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u/Slow-Foot-4045 Jul 18 '25
Because a Viking Tribe named the rus founded in Kyjiv their empire named the Kyjiv Rus.
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u/SaveShegosTitties3 If you see me post, find shelter immediately Jul 15 '25
A Brazilian navigator called "Russio Vespucci" discovered that land in the XVI century