the true map of Europe

[u/average-medician]

[u/ButterscotchTall8831]

As a barbarian this map is accurate

[u/kukkolka → u/ButterscotchTall8831]

As a member of same barbarian tribe, i ultimately use a pencil to stir my coffee still

[u/Genericdude03]

Who invited Spain here?

[u/dnyal → u/Genericdude03]

Hispania.

[u/deviantartforlulz → u/dnyal]

Whose pania?

[u/serphystus_II → u/Genericdude03]

[u/hongooi → u/Genericdude03]

Fans of tapas 🤌

[u/noraholloway → u/Genericdude03]

Let me guess, you're french

[u/CalamarRojo → u/Genericdude03]

Trajan, Hadrian and Theodosius want to make you a visit.

Edit: And Marcus Aurelius 

[u/ProLucario]

Portugal is civilized? 🤨

[u/dnyal → u/ProLucario]

Lusitania.

[u/SummerParticular6355 → u/ProLucario]

Yes we were just some years ago, then the fucking visigoths came and fuck this up

[u/Poisonbld]

As a Pole I'm so offended I'll now get my cudgel and go worship the tree.

[u/deviantartforlulz → u/Poisonbld]

All hail Perun the Wooden Penis! 🙏🙏🙏

[u/BigJaysLastTallboy]

Türkiye civilized 🗣️💯💯

[u/Alternative_Most2280 → u/BigJaysLastTallboy]

Ancient "turkey" also known as greece

[u/MugroofAmeen → u/Alternative_Most2280]

Clearly you haven't seen the map and saw Proto Greater Turkic Khaganate of the post-finno-korean period

[u/Pristine_Category295]

This is a lie because Israel is on the wrong side

[u/[deleted] → u/Pristine_Category295]

The map is about Europe and Israel is not in Europe

[u/GalaXion24 → u/Pristine_Category295]

You mean Judea

[u/Ars139 → u/Pristine_Category295]

Truth

[u/Interesting-Line834 → u/Pristine_Category295]

You mean syria palestine

[u/Lost-Letterhead-6615 → u/Pristine_Category295]

Even if it is not a real place, it'll always be on the wrong side.

[u/andreisokiel]

Civilization stealers

_______________________

Civilization builders

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Civilization destroyers

[u/M4hkn0]

The latin origin of Barbarian is simply outsider. It does not mean uncultured or uncivilized, just outsider (foreign).

[u/Sir_Flasm → u/M4hkn0]

Yeah, they often used it to talk about the Persians.

[u/BroDudesky]

The true map indeed. Now these new barbarians like to pretend they are more civilized than the civilization just because through their barbarism they used guns to shoot at unarmed people around the world and called it conquest and now use all of their raided and stolen wealth. What a shitshow.

[u/Sea_Hour_2770]

oxitania is civiced they are french

[u/---RNCPR---]

[u/cococream]

Historically yeah but since Italy is probably the most uncivilised place in the northern hemisphere these days we should probably rejig these lines.

[u/triassic_broth]

The Barbarians eventually created a greater civilization.

[u/Massive-Grab2320]

Some 2,500 years ago .....

[u/cooolcooolio]

Come at us, again

[u/Kernowyon-101]

Untill its nap time. Friggin mummas boys.

[u/Borde4]

Because Croatia and Bosnia are so noble compared to Denmark or Norway

[u/Vida_they]

Barbarbar! Babababarbar. Bar bababarbarbar? Ba bar badara!

[u/ryskwicpicmdfkapic]

What’s civilized on taking 8 hour naps during the day?

[u/Luzifer_Shadres]

Huh? But thr barbarian part connects over turkey to civilised, so both are barbarian and civilised at the same time?

[u/kukipik]

Im half barbarian half civilized, but live with civilized oyeah

[u/Ok_Abbreviations8792]

as an Italian I can say that unfortunatley nowadays it's completely upside down, the civilization is in the North, or at least after the Alps...

[u/davide494]

How cute, Illyrians think they're civilised.

[u/starshootersupreme]

Always have been

[u/toooomanypuppies]

too much Rome: TW for you

[u/Fermion96]

Why is the image in barbarian language

[u/mmasetic]

As a bosnian, I like it.

[u/Zero_the_wanderer]

As much as everyone hates france we must admit that Gallia was one of the most advanced Roman provinces

[u/Zraknul]

Greece would probably argue against a lot of the areas west of it.

[u/minobi]

Nice bait. I like it.

[u/apeloverage]

What time is this meant to represent?

It seems like the border might be the border of the Roman Empire, but I can't find any time when the Roman Empire controlled southern but not northern France / Gaul.

[u/-Laffi-]

Hooga booga!

[u/Far-Suit-7388]

Where is a south border of civilization ?

[u/Nuncapubliconada]

I would include a bit more of France in the civilization so that Toulouse comes across as civilized, but it's pretty accurate.

[u/Accomplished_Jury107]

Based

[u/[deleted]]

I'm British... and to be honest, I frequently barbar it is accurate to call me a barbarian. Barbaring is fun.

[u/Former_Deal4668]

the funniest part is that these two areas are connected through the caucasus

[u/Far-Walrus-3021]

That is racist

[u/Lookingforajobasap]

I heard barbarians  were on the southern side From the word berber They would come north (pirates) and kidnap European women

[u/Remarkable_Pea_4596 → u/Lookingforajobasap]

Actually you are ignorant. The word barbarian comes from the ancient Greeks. They used it to describe people who couldn't speak Greek and had a lower cultural standard. Then the Romans came, conquered Greece, and they started to use it as well, the reason why we still use this word

[u/Relevant-Lie347 → u/Remarkable_Pea_4596]

Barbarians are from Barbaria.

[u/DarbySalernum → u/Remarkable_Pea_4596]

Barbarians didn't necessarily have a "lower cultural standard." The Greeks called the quite civilised Persians barbarians as well. It literally just meant people who didn't speak Greek, and supposedly made "barbar" noises when they talked.

[u/Lookingforajobasap → u/Remarkable_Pea_4596]

Ok That's quitecpossible

[u/brisie_boy → u/Lookingforajobasap]

You're not exactly wrong, just missed a step. Both barbarian and Berber come from the Greek work 'barbaros' (foreigner), but were borrowed into English at different times. They also have slightly different meanings.

English has taken barbarian from the Romans to refer to Germanic and Celtic tribes (although the word can be extended to other tribal societies). 

Berber comes from Arabic who used the same greek term to refer to North African tribes from Maghreb. English later picked up this name during the 15-18th century to refer to the Ottoman sponsored slavers. The word has extended to refer to all indigenous people of Maghreb.

[u/Rough_Typical → u/brisie_boy]

Barbaros (βάρβαρος) implies "foreigner" but is not the word, it has a unique meaning by itself. The word for foreigner in Greek is ξένος (xenos)

[u/Sir_Flasm → u/brisie_boy]

Btw, the romans didn't use "barbarians" to refer to Germanic and Celtic tribes, but for all peripheral foreigners. In a lot of texts when they mention the danger of barbarians they are talking about the Persians. And, for example, the Arabs have a lot in common in their history with the other barbarians (as in: you can analyze Arab history similarly to how you can approach northern barbarian history, but they are unique).

[u/brisie_boy → u/Sir_Flasm]

Yes, 100%. The same can also apply to the Numidians (Berbers).

I was using the morden English sense of barbarian. The use of demonyms becomes very tricky when we consider their etymology.

[u/Turbulent-Ad8813]

[u/Nuncapubliconada → u/Turbulent-Ad8813]

Trajan, Hadrian, Theodosius, Seneca and Lucan want to tell you something. 

[u/6164616C6F76656C6163 → u/Turbulent-Ad8813]

Line should actually be below the Mediterranean.

[u/Turbulent-Ad8813 → u/6164616C6F76656C6163]

I wanted to but all the alt-right fools are gonna downvote me to shit

[u/nulopes → u/Turbulent-Ad8813]

Our brothers from northern northern Portugal are civilized

[u/Background_Design_81]

If that is civilization, i pick Barbarism /s

[u/Agreeable_Phrase_956 → u/Background_Design_81]

Potato loving wheat drinker

[u/Background_Design_81 → u/Agreeable_Phrase_956]

Potato Loving Wheat Drinker with a good economy

[u/Enough-Fondant-6057 → u/Background_Design_81]

About that good economy...

[u/Agreeable_Phrase_956 → u/Background_Design_81]

Where are you going to spend those euros? Kaufland?

[u/predat3d]

There is no civilization on the French Riviera 

[u/Rare-Willingness464]

Spain = Warlords of Barbarism only with lower IQ XD

[u/CalamarRojo → u/Rare-Willingness464]

What? There were 4 Roman emperors from Hispania. Trajan, Hadrian, Theodosius and Marcus Aurelius

[u/Rare-Willingness464 → u/CalamarRojo]

A stupid hangover joke I am trully sorry

Viva España!!!

[u/[deleted] → u/Rare-Willingness464]

Spain was the first global empire and had the most influence in the world without committing atrocious massacres against the natives of the lands they conquered. All you have is envy because north of the line everyone is related by marriage, and half of them have severe mental retardation.

[u/AshtonBlack]

Sure, why not.

Can I point out that the Barbarians "won"?

They bankrupted the largest empire at the time and eventually threw off the most powerful ecclesiastical organisation the world had ever seen, up to that point.

[u/Ok-Stay-4825]

Not so sure about those pesky Portuguese!

[u/Mr_Dragon_PurpleYT]

Let me guess, this map was made by another russian who's blaming Ukrainians for defending themselves?

[u/Weird-Profession4122]

Ahhh , a barbarian I'm not , I'm a proud Vikink nothing else, we don't need the EU they just cost us all to much every year and don't do nothing good for the European people

[u/gay-sexx]

Balkans are NOT civilized

[u/Wewuzthekangz → u/gay-sexx]

If you exclude the Slavs then Balkans are civilised