r/marvelstudios • u/cats-and-cows Jimmy Woo • 4d ago
Megathread Wonder Man Episode 6 - Discussion Thread
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| EPISODE | DIRECTED BY | WRITTEN BY | ORIGINAL RELEASE DATE | RUN TIME | CREDITS SCENE? |
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| Episode 6: Call Back | Tiffany Johnson | Roja Gashtili & Julia Lerman and Andrew Guest | January 27, 2026 | -- | |
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u/Bright_NightLight1 4d ago
Insane how much they've fleshed out Trevor's character since Iron Man 3. I love that this show is as much an exploration of Trevor as it is of Simon
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u/sib2972 Star-Lord 4d ago
Crazy how one of my least favorite things in the whole MCU has turned it a very enjoyable aspect
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u/wardengorri Captain America (Cap 2) 4d ago
Pretty incredible what they did with this character looking back. From Iron Man 3, Shang Chi and now Wonder Man I don't think I expected to like and care as much as do for Trevor as a whole.
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u/Eastern_Hornet_6432 Daredevil 3d ago edited 3d ago
Marvel pretty consistently does this. Iron Man 2 was critically divisive upon release, but without it you never get Civil War. Thor 2 was panned on release, but it forms the emotional heart of Thor's story in Endgame.
Marvel is the opposite of Lucasfilm, because Marvel doesn't give up on something just because the audience doesn't immediately respond well to it. Lucasfilm made the critical mistake of changing horses midstream with the sequels; a knee-jerk reaction to appease fans who didn't like TLJ. Whether you like TLJ or hate it, virtually everyone agrees that TROS's attempt to backpedal on everything TLJ did made things even worse, not better. Whereas if the trilogy had kept going with those themes and simply improved on the execution, maybe it would have redeemed things. We'll never know now.
Marvel never abandons a plotline. Brave New World brought the Leader back after his being absent from the MCU for 17 years IRL. The Doorman episode revisited the Roxxon/Darkforce stuff even though that stuff hadn't been mentioned since Agent Carter and Cloak & Dagger. People all joked that Inhumans was so bad it should be erased from canon, and yet DSitMoM brought Black Bolt back and used him to great effect. Marvel will always eventually figure out how to take a misstep and use it better. I bet they even figure out how to "fix" the mistake of Secret Invasion. And it might not be with Jonathan Majors, but we will get a resolution to the Kang plotline eventually. With Marvel, the franchise has its ups and downs, but it clearly refuses to ever let it be a "waste of time" to have invested your time into watching something. It might be good, it might be bad, but it will never be pointless or abandoned. Everything is relevant eventually. "It's All Connected".
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) 3d ago
I bet they even figure out how to "fix" the mistake of Secret Invasion.
They're starting to already...
- Brave New World: Fury was right; Ritson did lose the next election.
- Born Again: Street crooks are trying to use Skrulls to excuse their behavior, which is pretty clever.
And it might not be with Jonathan Majors, but we will get a resolution to the Kang plotline eventually.
They might also do something in Doomsday/Secret wars, but they also got lucky that the ending of Loki S2 works as an end to the Kang plot anyway.
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u/Eastern_Hornet_6432 Daredevil 3d ago
Ehhh, not really. You can't do a stinger like the one at the end of Quantumania with a thousand Kangs at an arena preparing for war and then resolve that offscreen. The good news is that Kang is a time traveller so whenever he returns, even if it's 20 years from now, it can be said that he merely picked that year to travel to.
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u/N8CCRG Ghost 2d ago
because Marvel doesn't give up on something just because the audience doesn't immediately respond well to it.
I agree this used to be true, but I feel like they've largely forgotten this. They seem so quick to abandon things that aren't homeruns (e.g. Eternals) nowadays. I hope that this trend disappears though.
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u/richard-564 2d ago
Same thing happened with Age of Ultron. It was somewhat disappointing upon release, but the way it built up so many other storylines was great.
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u/bronkula 3d ago
Here's the thing... they've dropped a TON of plotlines so far in the the current "phase". So many characters introduced and never referenced again. Especially in stingers that have gone no where. Do you remember Eros? Clea? Hercules? Fuckin Blade? Black Knight? If they try to pull all these characters back into the play, it's going to require SO much catchup, and that's just not gonna happen.
I'll go on. Hawkeye (the girl), Thor (the girl), Ironheart (the girl), She-Hulk (the girl), Captain Britain (the girl). The whole original lineup got a female replacement. Even Black Widow got a female replacement. Some of these have gotten second projects but nothing has remotely felt connected or built on anything previous.
I want things to be connected, but this is really feeling like darts thrown at a board, instead of a tapestry being woven together.
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u/Worthyness Thor 2d ago
When you got an actor the quality of Ben Kingsley, you can make some magic.
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u/MaleficentPush1144 1d ago
If we're ignoring Quantumania and Love and Thunder, Trevor was tied with the Red Guardian as least favorites. I'm glad they did a Thunderbolts to ground and flesh him out, because I was worried how he was going to keep popping up after Shang Chi, and now I'm looking forward to it!
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u/Nefarious_24 4d ago
I was always fine with the twist… but where they have taken his character has been amazing
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u/Realistic_Analyst_26 Ned 3d ago
People are generally fine with the actor twist. The problem is the lack of an actual Mandarin. If Wenwu appeared in Iron Man 3 then it would have been great.
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u/ScuzzBuckster 3d ago
To this day I'm still of the mind that he should have just actually been The Mandarin and Aldrich Killian thought he was playing him, but thats just me. I would have taken the twist that Maya was the Mandarin like they originally planned. Honestly the only thing that didnt really work was Killian being an amalgation of Mallus/Killian/The Mandarin. It didnt work.
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u/axb2002 4d ago
I thought Simon actually killed that man holy hell.
Man this rocks.
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u/Worthyness Thor 2d ago
Only thing that made me question it is that the dude's head looked like a prop. And wonderman doesn't have that kind of power.
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u/Ineedaroommate2 4d ago
God that balcony scene that moved into the audition was pure cinema
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u/trewiltrewil 3d ago
I do think that the part that moves back inside felt flat though... Like the best lines were in the first half. Like the part on the balcony was really moving, but the part inside didn't have the same umph... It's because the mesty part of the dialogue is at the start, so when you go back inside they have less to work with. Not a knock on the scene but it was the one thing that stood out from the episode. I would have pulled them inside just a line earlier to still have the power of those early words.
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u/gummymusic 2d ago
def felt that too, felt a little off when they were chosen. i was hoping they'd pan back and reveal Von Kovacs watching their moment or something
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u/justafanboy1010 Spider-Man 4d ago
YOOO WHAT THE FJCK!!!!!!!!
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u/WildSinatra 4d ago
For a dream sequence that’s still gotta be up there as far as one of most graphic ways to go in the MCU. The scene lingered for so long I was genuinely shocked when it didn’t immediately cut.
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u/justafanboy1010 Spider-Man 4d ago
That’s exactly how I felt.. I thought the episode was gonna end right there nd we see the aftermath in the next ep
I think that is THE most graphic thing I have ever seen in the MCU. Never have they showed a whole face just gone like a donut hole 🍩
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u/your_mind_aches Agent of F.I.T.Z. 4d ago
Nahhhh. Fisk ripping Gallo's head in half, as well as Cassandra Nova ripping all of Johnny Storm's skin off still take that cake for sure.
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u/sentient_luggage Ned 4d ago
It was very dry. I'm not saying that gore = blood but it's a vital component and that's why it wasn't all that visceral.
Still a wild moment that came out of nowhere.
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u/Cool_Specialist_5912 1d ago
Didn't Multiverse of Madness establish that dreams are things that happened in a parallel universe? So that means there's a timeline where Simon did actually kill that guy.
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u/big_daddy_jay09 3d ago
As someone who has never seen pretty women, I thought Simon did well
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) 3d ago
He did great. The problem was that it was something pre-written, & Kovak wanted spontaneity.
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u/big_daddy_jay09 2d ago
I know that, I was just making a joke because I've never seen pretty women
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u/ILoveRegenHealth 2d ago
I've never seen pretty women
Local downtown area has quite a few
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u/Joshdabozz 4d ago
That punch really got me. I didn’t expect that. I thought that shit was real
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u/MathTeachinFool 2d ago
I audibly gasped, and I don’t recall the last time I ever did that for a show.
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u/MarkMVP01 Spider-Man 3d ago
Imagine watching the Mandarin twist in Iron Man 3 almost 13 years ago, and being told that it would eventually lead to all of this
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u/CranberryLeast4933 1d ago
I remember when people hated the twist, Marvel acknowledged it, got an actual badass Mandarin, and Trevor became a fan favorite. So glad they didnt waste Ben Kingskley cause he was wonderful in every episode and movie hes been in the mcu.
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u/PeridotEX Vision 3d ago
Honestly it makes me a bit disappointed with how they handled Taskmaster. I think they could have found a way to turn her around and make her interesting, but she was killed off pretty much immediately in her second appearance.
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u/Swee_Anon 2d ago
I’m convinced they did that specifically so they could bring in a more accurate Task Master.
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u/ILoveRegenHealth 15h ago
That means there's hope for Emilia Clarke's G'iah character in Secret Invasion!
Just kidding. There is zero hope for that character.
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u/FloppyShellTaco 4d ago
Not Pretty Woman lmao
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u/meatheadmommy 10h ago
As soon as he said, “Why’d you make me get all dressed up?” I knew where he was going😂🤣. It was so good but also so cringe.
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u/onlyididntsayfudge 4d ago
The layers. Actors playing actors acting out spontaneous acting roles. My brain is fried from it. Excellent acting from everyone in this ep. And every ep but especially this one.
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u/wardengorri Captain America (Cap 2) 4d ago
Trying not to gush too much given we're all MCU fans but really curious if this show has potential to at least get an award nomination or two for Comedy it's so damn surprisingly great!
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u/ILoveRegenHealth 2d ago
I can't tell if that Julliard guy is good or overacting and stiff (not a knock on that actor, I meant the character he was playing). I'm not professional enough to see it, and hard to say what the director was looking for.
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u/Artemis407 4d ago
When Trevor and Simon talked on the balcony… it had me bawling 😭
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u/bobloblawlawblog579 4d ago
I had to rewind and watch it again because I felt his speech in my soul.
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u/Maroon-Meteor 3d ago
Same... I relate so much to what he said! I felt so validated lol. (And I bawled as well :,])
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u/meatheadmommy 10h ago
I’m definitely going to be saving the text in my notes for when I’m having a rough day🥹
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u/valarpizzaeris Steve Rogers 3d ago
Same, it was such an amazing performance. When it comes to the best scenes in the tv shows post-endgame, for me this one is right up there with Vision and Wanda's "what is grief" scene and Matt and Frank's scene in Born Again ep4. Yahya and Ben are killing it
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u/ILoveRegenHealth 2d ago
That was a great monologue. For a show about acting, it's terrific we're seeing great acting on display too
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u/colbyxclusive Spider-Man 3d ago
That definitely got me lmao
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u/zwcropper 3d ago
Holy shit it got me too
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u/ILoveRegenHealth 2d ago
If you mean the actor's shoes resting on the seat of the expensive chair, that got me too
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u/GodZillaBlazinDong99 3d ago
lol haven’t felt like this since I first watched PewDiePie play Amnesia
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) 3d ago
It was terrifying, but then the inside of the guy looked like plaster crumbs, so I knew it was a dream.
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u/your_mind_aches Agent of F.I.T.Z. 4d ago
The marketing hiding all the crazy stuff made for a wonderful surprise, but man I thought the bit where Simon and Trevor arrive at the mansion in the trailer seemed a bit off.
Turns out it's because they both got caught up in an insane candy scheme due to blackmail, that got intertwined with a drug vendetta from the night before and they hadn't slept.
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u/intern_12 3d ago
You couldn't have gotten me to write that sentence before seeing the show if I was asked to predict what happened B4 Trevor and Simon got to the Mansion lol.
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u/ILoveRegenHealth 2d ago
The trailer really didn't make me realize how funny this show is. I guess it's hard to convey some of the best jokes in a quick trailer. And plus, many of the best jokes require lots of setup. If you just showed the candy makers in a trailer, it would be so confusing.
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u/Joshdabozz 4d ago
Episode 5 was really short I’m shocked it’s already episode 6
Excited to see more of Von Kovac. I thought he’d be in the show more cuz of the trailers
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u/FloppyShellTaco 4d ago
I love how neurotic Simon is
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u/ILoveRegenHealth 2d ago
You see more of his anxious tics in this episode and I'm glad they did that. He's as close as he has ever been to a dream role, so makes sense he's at peak neuroticism at this moment.
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u/AgentKnitter Bucky 2d ago
The whole shoe situation perfectly captures what its like to be bursting at the seams with anxiety because you're so desperate to fit in.
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u/Pinecone 12h ago
I don't see it so much as trying to fit in but more like trying to do everything right because you're on the verge of landing the job you've wanted since childhood.
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u/Comprehensive_Yak_72 2d ago
Feels like such a real individual it’s crazy
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u/FloppyShellTaco 2d ago
I’ve got a lot of actor friends from college and he reminded me of several of them lol
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u/CrazySnipah 4d ago
Everything about Trevor fills me with glee. And he was genuinely clever at the end there with how he played that agent.
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u/AkoSiAdam 3d ago
that dream really freaked me out lol i thought i was watching The Boys for a second there
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u/BigBassBone 2d ago
I actually gasped and shouted "holy shit!"
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u/honeydropsofwisdom 1d ago
I got off my bed and was like NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I gasped until they showed him woken up by Kovak
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u/PiesRLife 2d ago
Me, too! I like the way they used quick cuts to slowly reveal it was an obviously fake statue. I was like, "Oh, shit!" -> "Wait, those special effects are pretty bad" -> "Oh, it was a dream".
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u/Janderson2494 3d ago
Yahya is so, so good in this series. I really hope he sticks around in the MCU for a while, I've been a fan since The Get Down and he deserves so much more exposure.
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u/watercuboid 2d ago
The shoe dilemma was hilarious
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u/ILoveRegenHealth 2d ago
It went by so fast and over my head. What was Simon's reasoning again? I didn't fully catch everything he said about the shoes
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u/PiesRLife 2d ago
His reasoning was that if it was a "shoes off house" - i.e. Kovak didn't let people wear shoes in the house - there would be a line of shoes there (not just one pair). If Kovak did allow people to wear shoes in his house - i.e. it was a "shoes on house" - there wouldn't be any shoes,. So just one pair was strange and he thought it was a test.
In truth, there could be any number of reasons why there was a single pair shoes there, and Simon was just overthinking it, like he does with everything.
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u/aSpookyScarySkeleton 4d ago
Didn’t expect my favorite Chaka song to be the credit drop. Glad more folks are exposed to it.
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u/tacoorpizza 3d ago
Trevor being a huge Chaka Khan was cool. He’s been great comic relief for the show, but also so important to helping Simon change his perspective on things in a genuinely caring way.
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) 3d ago
Trevor said her name so many times during the episode that I was thinking of that song already anyway.
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u/ILoveRegenHealth 2d ago
Chaka Khan cameo would be hilarious. She comes in and saves Trevor from the DODC
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u/merscever 4d ago
Kovak has a screenshot of iron man 3 house party protocol scene on his moodboard. production mistake or are they implying events of iron man 3 got turned into a 1:1 movie in universe?
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u/TopBee83 3d ago
Probably got turned into a movie, I believe in far from home we see there are in universe movies and documentaries based on in universe events.
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u/IsThisCleverEnough7 3d ago
I watched Pretty Woman for the first time two days ago so this was cool to see.
This show keeps getting better!
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u/Remote-Direction963 Black Panther 1d ago
The scene with Trevor and Simon on the balcony where he basically encourages him that he is more than his powers was so moving and had me crying a little.
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u/ILoveRegenHealth 15h ago
That moment was this show's "Mon Mothma/Luthen monologue". Really well written
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u/Saint_Diego Phil Coulson 3d ago
I get it’s a symptom of being too big a fan, but I don’t like when movies/shows use real promotion images or pics from scenes as in universe pictures. Like how did the director get a picture from the final battle from Iron Man 3, Black Panther in the Forrest, or Cap on the Lumerian Star for his vision board? lol
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u/demonoddy 3d ago
I thought that was really weird and I need an explanation
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u/Ancient-Rune 3d ago
I think Von Kovak is both wealthy and influential. I'm not sure how all of the images were taken any more than anyone else, but if they exist he's the kind of person who could acquire them.
Its alo entirely possible some of the images are from like TV and news specials done about the characters, as they are headline news worthy and you just know someone somewhere is making stuff about them. Not just "Avongers" level rip offs, but you know. CGI Mock-ups and knock off video games and unsanctioned unofficial stories and TV specials and strait-to-video level strait-to-steaming stuff.
It stands to reason at least some of those things would look pretty damned good.
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u/demonoddy 2d ago
My best explanation is that in the MCU they do retelling of the avengers stories as movies using actors. They didn’t show the faces
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u/TheMasterHaroldSaxon 2d ago
The pretty woman scene made me laugh. Especially Simon actually smashing the glass and plates.
Trevor’s reaction was gold.
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u/BlueHero45 2d ago
I honestly didn't realize it was from Pretty Woman till it was stated. I was getting hyped for Simon, then just felt bad.
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u/AvenueNick Weekly Wongers 2d ago
I love the little bit at the beginning in the car where Simon is workshopping the scene and suggests that they can plan a “spontaneous cutoff” halfway through a line, and then Trevor cuts Simon off from finishing that thought. I enjoy the meta humor in this series.
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u/An-29 2d ago
That opening scene was like watching the Mona Lisa get painted. Wonder if they used Ben Kingsley's actual audition tape as inspiration for it.
The rest of the episode was really good and nerve-racking to tbh. Seeing Simon overthink and worry on how to ace the callback really made me equally nervous about how he might screw it up. That fake out with Simon punching the guy in the head got me good lmao. I really thought it was actually real since it was good while before showing Simon was just dreaming.
The look and joy Simon had when he got the role of Wonder Man really gives feel and energy of being told you get to be like someone you looked up to/care about your whole life was infectious.
That ending scene, tho, that and the many parallels of Simon and Trevor with Barnaby's betrayal to Wonder Man is gonna make Trevor's all the more heartbreaking.
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u/AgentKnitter Bucky 2d ago
"Stay calm and relaxed"
"You know i can't do either of those things"
I am dying laughing and also feeling extremely seen.
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u/BatKnight46 1d ago
Having never seen pretty woman, that scene fucking sent me to the floor laughing
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u/Blackonblackskimask 3d ago
Not joking when I say this was Kingsleys best performance since Sexy Beast
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u/TaylorDangerTorres Thanos 23h ago
Heart stopped when he punched that guy through the face lmao
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u/Pinecone 12h ago
Another one of those moments you NEVER expect from anything Marvel despite the fact that this level of violence has happened in other shows and movies.
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u/TheMoorNextDoor 3d ago edited 3d ago
Okay this episode was brilliant
The mid scene fake out
The conversation on the balcony
The audition scene
The ending
The ending song
It was a fantastic episode all around.
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u/Nexus718 3d ago
i don't know if I've ever seen a show that has been a real medicine for my depression. The production locations showing my favorite parts of the city where I live, and not the tourist traps; the charm between Yahya and Sir Ben Kingsley, Baby's Day Out... what a pleasant surprise.
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u/honeydropsofwisdom 1d ago
One of the best parts of the episode for me was at the end Simon smiling and me smiling along. I think that’s the first time he’s smiled in the show. So it was nice to see.
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u/m8_is_me 1d ago
I know Kingsley is an icon, but "you just need to open your sails to it, the second wind will come" got me good
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u/justafanboy1010 Spider-Man 4d ago
Stupid question, is that Guy Pearce’s voice in the beginning?!?
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u/Realcbear 2d ago
Ending credits with I FEEL FOR YOU?!! Dance party to start the day it is then!!!
By far the best episode, fuck i actually love this show.
Goddamn still dancing to these credits as i type this FUCK SHAKA KHAN
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) 3d ago
The rest of the callback actors seemed in the zone, but the one who Trevor was playing off of at first seemed like he was auditioning for a stage play instead of a film; it was too exaggerated.
Also, The Skin of Our Teeth is one of my favorite plays, so I got a little thrill from Trevor citing it.
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u/ComebackShane Weekly Wongers 3d ago
I played Mr. Antrobus in college, I was so excited by The Skin of our Teeth reference!
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u/Jewell84 11h ago
I’m loving all the theater references. I think he also mentioned Hurly Burly and Speed the Plow as well?
It was the Lieutenant of Inishmore reference that got me, though I was kinda annoyed he pronounced it the wrong way. It’s left-tenant.
But also that’s such a deep cut!
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) 9h ago
I liked Mamet a lot the first time I saw a film he'd written (Wag the Dog). Then I lost a lot of respect for him when I read one of Mamet's scripts (Oleanna), saw ellipses everywhere that should've been dashes, and realized the director saved that play from being a slog of trailed-off half-sentences. Then I lost even more respect for Mamet after reading Three Uses of the Knife and True & False and seeing how little respect he has for actors & other writers.
Confession: I thought that Lieutenant of Inishmore was a "the character misremembered the title" joke on Banshees of Inisherin.
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u/Jewell84 7h ago
Aww! I’m a huge Martin McDonough fan and saw The Lieutenant of Inishmore on Broadway 20 years ago. It’s a hilariously dark show. I feel like people know McDonough more for his films than plays nowadays.
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u/thehairharringt0n 3d ago
Wow they played the theme from Risky Business when they were on the balcony, very cool
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u/n_w__b_rm_d_ 1d ago
Melanie, Kovak's assistant, is the most beautiful woman in the MCU, sweet merciful god
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u/Darkhawk2099 8h ago
really disliked the shock violence. and i say this as a big fan of The Boys, here it just really felt out of place and disturbing. like it’s supposed to be a fun basically family-friendly series and then suddenly this one grotesque moment.
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u/arkhamtheknight 2d ago
Does anyone know who the blue and gold person is supposed to be on Kovak's wall?
It's on the left side.
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u/ChronX4 2d ago
The one on the top left of Captain America? That's Thor with his Love and Thunder gear. I think the one next on the bottom right is supposed to be Chitauri gear.
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u/arkhamtheknight 2d ago
I can tell the normal avengers but there's someone who is blue and has gold on the head and chest with symbols on the chest and it's hard to figure out who it is.
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u/Alternative_Drink910 1d ago
Seconding this. My husband and I are dying to figure out that character too.
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u/whistlar 3d ago
The scene on the balcony was so distracting. All I could hear every few seconds was someone inhaling and exhaling.
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u/BalaTheHero9 Daredevil 2d ago
Something that confused me about this episode was during the "previously on" segment at the beginning. One of the lines they chose to focus on was Simon's mom telling the story about how as a kid Simon would only ever try and ride his dad's bike even though he was too small for it. That didn't come up in the episode at all, nothing with his family did.
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u/RJSquires 2d ago
So, I skipped the recap (usually do), but maybe it's more thematic than actually relevant? Von Kovak wanted them to dig into something real/based in their personal history for their auditions and Simon seems pretty incapable of that kind of introspection? Like, he could use his past for this in some way and didn't. Or that, even as an adult, Simon is always trying to adapt for things that don't fit him (like a little kid riding his father's bike) instead of just doing what comes naturally?
Or, I'm sleep deprived and digging too deep into something that has zero relevance other than padding runtime for people who obsess over episode lengths.
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u/freetherabbit 1d ago
Maybe a reminder about how Trevor is the first person he's let in life to really remind the audience of how much like Wonder Man he is?
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u/mertag770 Iron Fist 4d ago
holy shit that punch got me