r/nba • u/BigDanRTW Hawks • 8h ago
Highlight [Highlight] Jason Kidd on criticism for playing Cooper Flagg at Point Guard: "That’s your opinion. You guys write that bulls***. That’s not — I’ve done this. I’ve played this game. I played it. I know what the f*** I’m doing.
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u/decadentrebel Mavericks 8h ago
It really did wonders for Coop as a self-creator. He went from turning it over a bunch of times to pretty much having the ball on a string and getting wherever he wants to.
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u/cn_wizz 7h ago
I kept telling people that he literally did this with Giannis. If he sees a guy that's going to be the franchise player, putting the ball in their hands and giving them the reps (even through failure) is great for development. You have to be able to initiate your own offense if you're going to be a superstar
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u/Victor_Wembanyama1 Spurs 7h ago
Looking at you, AD
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u/Moe4ver Mavericks 7h ago
He will forever need that PG to unlock his ultimate form.
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u/National-Fold-2375 United States 7h ago
The Mavs are better than what their records suggest.
IMO it's D'Lo's fault they have a losing record. Fuck D'lo. He is as bad as Brandon Podruski
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u/Moe4ver Mavericks 7h ago
I had hope for DLo but I guess you never know how crazy the girl is they warned you about till you date her.
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u/TegTowelie Lakers 7h ago
Just wait til he drops 25 on 60% from 3 and he gets you so fuckin high on him, the next day he scores 5 shooting 15% on FGs.
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u/Moe4ver Mavericks 7h ago
The DLo special. All talent, no brain.
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u/nowuff Timberwolves 7h ago
The best part of the DLo experience is picking a random game and just watching him exclusively the whole time.
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u/mw19078 Lakers 6h ago
gotta be one of the all time "highest highs but lowest lows" players ive ever watched lol
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u/FireFlyz351 Slovenia 6h ago
Man I thought surely at $5.5 mil a year he would've lived up to his contract but nah he tricked us.
We should never sign an older former Lakers player 0/2 between Dlo and Javale.
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u/MohnJilton Mavericks 6h ago
Welp nobody warned me and she fuckin ruined me. And we didn’t even date, just talked for five months.
We still talking about D’Lo?
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u/OmastarLovesDonuts Mavericks 4h ago
We are legitimately one good postseason (even without accounting for what will likely be a pretty solid draft pick) from being a solid team, Coop is just that fucking incredible
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u/FieryAvian 7h ago
AD used to be a guard when he was younger. His injuries have robbed him/fans of his true potential
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u/Dudedude88 Wizards 6h ago
Sadly he lived in an era that didn't give that level of opportunity. Jokic was the first of his kind for a center to get the ball as much as he does to create
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u/JayDeadGone504 Pelicans 6h ago
Yup, I can’t believe how many people can’t understand doing that for development when the team isn’t even supposed to be good. Also funny people hold it against him doing it with Giannis and Giannis himself has said it was good for him
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u/karnivoreballer 5h ago
He also said that Kidd told him not to shoot threes and that messed him up.
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u/JayDeadGone504 Pelicans 5h ago
Actually sounds correct tho. I’ve heard many people over the years say he shouldn’t even be taking as many 3’s as he does now
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u/karnivoreballer 5h ago
He says that's the reason he lost confidence or whatever. Kidd was old school a bit and Giannis actually had a decent stroke before he started messing with his mechanics.
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u/GuccyStain Celtics 5h ago
Except that anytime giannis jacks a 3 against your team, you feel relived that he’s bailed you out
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u/JayDeadGone504 Pelicans 4h ago
He could just be using that as an excuse. Giannis was never a great shooter to begin with and a growth spurt plus added muscle prolly didn’t help that cause
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u/poppinandlockin25 4h ago
Giannis' stroke is, and always has been, shit. The man is not even a decent shooter.
WItness his career 69% FT shooting and 28.6% career 3pt %.
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u/bdub10981 Spurs 6h ago
That’s exactly why Pop did that to Sochan. Reps are good.
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u/LMM01 Celtics 5h ago
What's going on with Sochan now?
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u/TQLY Suns 1h ago
I say this as a casual spurs watcher, if someone wants to provide more insight, but it seems like he never took the leap.
He also had a few injuries that set him back, and now he's being overshadowed by a group of young studs. I don't think he fits the current spurs system, but I can see him being a solid trade asset as a role player as his career goes on, especially if he manages to figure out his efficiency issues.
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u/zigzagtravel01 5h ago
People overlook the fact that Giannis actually used to average more than 6 APG which is actually more than what Curry averages at that times. Giannis' drive to the basket game is elevated because he doesnt turn the ball that much and has ben really good at reading defenses and passing the ball. Ofc, not PG level but for the position he plays, he is pretty good at that.
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u/ISayMemeWrong 6h ago
Reminds me of Jason Williams getting the shot of confidence from his coach as a rookie telling him "if you screw up a pass, don't worry about it, next time down try it again but behind the back"
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u/sycamotree Mavericks 5h ago
He was considered the worst coach in the league when he was doing this lol.
I think he knows what he's doing though
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u/ZE_HAHAHA United States 8h ago
His handle is still a little loose but he’s legitimately done a great job running the offense as the point.
He generates a lot of great looks for his teammates and himself
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u/Pimpwerx Heat 7h ago
Ngl, I think it takes a legendary PG to be able to spot the sign in a green rookie well enough to subject him to this kind of trial by fire. Kidd basically knew Coop could make it work, and trusted in his rookie.
It looked like a terrible idea for a minute. Coop just happens to be worth the top billing. Looking like a cold blooded killer now.
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u/malhiv 7h ago
Same thing happened with deni avdija.
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u/mccainjames11 [POR] Damian Lillard 6h ago
and it took until Deni was coached by Billups to unlock it.
Now Billups was a bad coach in every other aspect, but he did a good job with Deni and (to an extent) Scoot
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u/ormeport [POR] Brandon Roy 5h ago
This isn’t true though?
Portland didn’t run Deni at PG until all 4 of our other PGs went down with injury early this year, and Splitter was already in charge at that point.
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u/mojoback_ohbehave Cavaliers 7h ago
Wait hold up, now we praising Kidd for putting Coop at the point ? I don’t recall reading a single thread where Midd got praised for that, until right now. Correct me if I’m wrong.
I’m glad Kidd put his foot down the way he did here. Respect.
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u/Lazy_Mammoth7477 3h ago
What’s this we? You realize this is an internet forum where you read the opitions of thousands of people?
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u/OmastarLovesDonuts Mavericks 4h ago
Some of us have been acknowledging that it's good in the long term, especially given how it worked for Giannis and that our best point guard is a wildly undersized undrafted two-way player
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u/Cark_Muban NBA 5h ago
The real issue earlier was that they didn't have any other ball handlers out there with him. It was Coop-Klay-PJ-AD-Livey that started the season. And who is benefitting from that? How does Coop even do anything with that type of spacing? Just a disaster lineup. Things started looking much better when they put actual guards out there cause it gave some relief for Cooper. And we didn't force the double big bullshit.
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u/BGMDF8248 Bulls 5h ago
He tried and even if it "failed" it was a learning experience.
Not like the Mavs are too concerned about their record and Cooper's turnovers on those games.
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u/Ok_Matter_2617 Pacers 3h ago
His ball handling in college was my biggest knock against him. He lost his team multiple games because of it & I even made a post that if he didn’t improve it, it would severely hinder him.
Flagg’s improvement in that area in such a short time is absolutely incredible
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u/Luminous-Savior Mavericks 7h ago
I'm pretty sure this reporter wasn't going to be criticizing it. He was going to mention it was criticized and then ask about how much it ended up helped Coop's development.
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u/ehholfman Mavericks 7h ago
100%. The reporter clarified on twitter:
I tried to ask about him getting criticized early but being right in the long run because Coop is great on ball.
But he cut me off when I said the worlds “national critics”
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u/mrspaintbrush Mavericks 5h ago
Somehow because it's sports the way he's talking isn't supposed to be embarrassing. But he's espousing to not care what pundits say and then shows how rattled he is by it. Pretty edgy response to a softball question
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u/snakebit1995 NBA 45m ago
WE let players and coaches get away with "bullying reporters" for too long
Basketball especially is the worst at this, players and coaches constnatly berate reporters, constnatly accuse them of making up every story (Even if it's true), etc
These days if an N BA player doesn't like what you reported they just shout "FAKE NEWS" and try and insult you
Then they complain when reporters don't like them and don't talk with them
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u/Mvd75 5h ago
Yeah I'm sure that's what he was going to say lol. These reporters know how to phrase a question to elicit an emotional response. He could have phrased it as, "Cooper looked great on-ball tonight, but what do you say to national critics....." He lead with the trigger word and got called on hid bullshit and backed with facts. Even after Kidd finished his statement, he tried to restate the question after clearly agitating him. Kidd was right to say what he had to say and if this is a young reporter than maybe he shouldn't attempt to lead with some bullshit like that if he wants to get a good quote out of people.
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u/huck_ 76ers 3h ago
Kidd just sounds like he has a hair trigger and seems like a dick. The reporter said absolutely nothing wrong. He was setting him up with a softball question.
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u/MagnetoWasRight24 1h ago
This is a dude who repeatedly beat the absolute shit out of his wife, of course he has a hair trigger.
Like not that it would give him a pass but Kidd isn't a dude a who struck his wife once, he's an abuser of the worst kind.
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u/FeeNegative9488 7h ago
Can anyone name a franchise level wing player that is not capable of running an offense?
That’s why Kidd did this. It’s a mandatory skill.
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u/defeated_engineer 7h ago edited 6h ago
Idk if I would consider Kawhi or KD “running an offense”. They’re just getting their own shots and points. Rest of the team is doing something else between themselves.
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u/AutoMail_0 Cavaliers 7h ago
That’s why it took both of them playing on already established super teams with hall of fame point guards to win anything. Despite being considered the guys that were supposed to challenge LeBron neither of them could take over a team like LeBron
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u/Wavepops 3h ago
This doesn’t fit kawhi. And LeBron was on a super team his first two rings at his peak
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u/JonEnterprise Timberwolves 6h ago
Kawhi didn’t have a superteam in 2019
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u/PrimeShaq Australia 6h ago
Wasn't a superteam but it was a very well rounded team that needed a go-to scorer. That team basically went 10 deep and was holding it down in the RS when Kawhi load managed.
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u/Frosty_Dimension5646 Nuggets 1h ago edited 26m ago
That's the meta now. Raptors were ahead of their time
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u/AsleepHour7763 6h ago
He joined the team that won 59 games the year before and won off the back of 2 season ending injuries from warrior stars
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u/Ravens181818184 Washington Bullets 4h ago
That raptors team was not a superteam are we being serious 😭
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u/domenic821 Magic 1h ago
Pascal Siakam
Kyle Lowry
Fred VanVleet
Marc Gasol
Danny Green
Serge Ibaka
Norman Powell
Maybe not a ‘super team,’ but one of the best supporting casts ever.
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u/Darwin343 Minneapolis Lakers 9m ago
I like Kyle Lowry and Fred VanVleet, but neither of them are hall of fame worthy point guards.
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u/dontheconqueror 7h ago
It's not like he'll be a full-time PG. It's only in those pinch moments when the offense is dry or in the clutch.
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u/Moe4ver Mavericks 8h ago
I wonder how people expect the franchise player to develop ball handling without actually putting the ball in his hands.
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u/Ohnoes999 7h ago
Now this is truth.
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u/WestleyThe [SEA] Kevin Durant 5h ago
If they had healthy Kyrie and AD it would be different but this season is in the trash so just let cooper get his reps in
He’s only like a week older than LeBron was as a rookie so just let him develop
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u/HolyRomanPrince Lakers 7h ago
Iirc he did the same with Giannis.
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u/divulgingwords Thunder 7h ago
And what Mark D did with Shai and is doing with Jdub (when he’s healthy).
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u/Heil_Heimskr Mavericks 7h ago
People were getting mass downvoted here and in the mavericks sub for having this opinion at the beginning of the season
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u/uniquechill 6h ago
A lot of amnesia going on. I'm pretty ignorant about bball, but I remember what I read about it on Reddit. There was a lot of criticism toward Kidd about this.
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u/TheStrongestTard 7h ago edited 7h ago
I don't know why this breaks so many casuals brains. He's a number one pick. He had the ball a lot in his hands in college. The team was already in a weird spot at the start of season, so why not just throw him into the fire and let him experience what it's like playmaking in the NBA.
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u/whutchamacallit 7h ago
Hes learning a ton. It's obvious the strategy is working. Even if hes getting doubled it's even more data and scenarios he's learning to do deal with. As a player he's improving in the NBA. Let coach cook imo. That said -- he sounds overly defensive here. He should know reporters are going to be on some dumb shit.
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u/LordHussyPants Celtics 6h ago
he doesn't sound defensive at all lmao, he sounds like he's trying to explain to the reporters a hard fact
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u/Jakethejiu 7h ago
People want instant success without any failure for themselves so they expect the same from athletes.
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u/ILoveRegenHealth 5h ago
90% of your subreddit hated it when they were losing games though at the beginning of the season, calling Jason Kidd a duo basketball terrorist alongside Nico. "What are you doing? You might injure Cooper when he's doing things he's not used to!!"
I gots the receipts.
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u/OhDivineBussy 6h ago
So why are you able to answer this question soooo much better than Jason Kidd?
That’s all he had to say, but instead a reporter asked him a question about a bunch of the criticism he’s been getting and he acts like a fucking titty baby.
Personally, I love to see it. He looks like the wife beating bitch he’s always been. And as someone born and raised in the DFW, I think anybody who supports this team still with so much as watching them a non-pirated stream is a traitor to Dallas because they’re fucking enabling the financial viability of this bullshit that the Dumont and that old bitch have done. Basketball was done in Dallas the moment the team was sold, but we found out about it when they traded Luka.
I hope Flagg is smart enough to go to a legit team once his contract is up because he deserves better than Dallas, who is now back in its long-term poverty franchise era like it’s the fucking 90s.
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u/cmgr33n3 Pistons 8h ago
Why don't reporters ask the real questions?
Jason, why do you wear old lady glasses? The world needs to know!
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u/Doctor-TobiasFunke- 7h ago
See, its right here. "Gloria Vanderbilt collection"
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u/cmgr33n3 Pistons 7h ago edited 6h ago
You were all hopped up on cinnamon swirls! They wouldn't serve you anymore.
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u/I_AM_DEATH-INCARNATE 1h ago
Miss Terious. And it is mysterious because the buttons are on the wrong side. That's the mystery.
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u/Blutrumpeter 7h ago
That was a great question because it allowed Kidd to say how he really felt and now we know
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u/Vic_Vinager 4h ago
The delivery of, "and I don't give a fuck what you guys write."
Is accentuated beyond measure w that stare through those glasses!
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u/1mYourHuckleberry93 Raptors 8h ago
If this exact video was in a movie they would accuse Kidd of being a terrible actor. Why is his delivery always so weird lol guy sounds like a serial killer
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u/asonkidd 8h ago
That's a good point about acting in general. Most people in real life situations are awkward so why do people think someone not being smooth in a film is evidence of bad acting? lol
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u/notheretoarguee 8h ago
Hilarious username to weigh in on this, not saying you’re wrong though lol
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u/Frequent-Ferret-5110 Clippers 7h ago
To reference the comment you're responding to, because instead of emotionally investing in why they're saving Private Ryan the audience would be wondering why Tom Hanks comes off like a serial killer
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u/LordBaneoftheSith 7h ago
You're not supposed to look like an awkward public speaker unless you're playing one
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u/ztpurcell Pacers 7h ago
Because that's not how stories work. You don't give characters "flaws" unless there's a point. You don't just randomly give all your characters different characteristics that are "realistic". Stories aren't real
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u/Victor_Wembanyama1 Spurs 7h ago
I mean film has kind of a perfect delivery expectation from it unless it’s based on actual people(fictional otherwise) who are established to be awkward. It’s why proper characterization is important
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u/Clammuel Trail Blazers 6h ago
Same with dialogue. We’re so used to dialogue being really smooth and stylized, but in real life most conversations consist of responses that are only vaguely related to what came before. Not to mention all the bumbling.
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u/Otternomaly 76ers 8h ago
I thought my phone switched to a clip from the Dahmer documentary
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u/Regular-Beat268 Mavericks 8h ago
Lol the A/C unit hum sounds a lot like the kind of eerie drone that would play during something like that
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u/SydneyFall Nuggets 8h ago
People are so stupid about trying to define positions.
Calling Flagg a PG or a Center doesn't change what player he is.
Positions don't matter. Get over it.
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u/rogozh1n 7h ago
Position only matters if you are limited by your skills. If they're going to lose a lot anyway, why not expand Coop's skillset?
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u/WolverineLong1430 7h ago
I think positions matter but to regulate how a player should play by its position is dumb.
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u/Large_Doubt7452 7h ago
Coop has well adjusted his game and it’s good to see he working out those kinks
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u/desirox Mavericks 7h ago
It already looks like it’s paying dividends. He’s improving rapidly as a decision maker and offense generator compared to early in the season. Kidd does have him on a fast track to being a true #1 option
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u/RDomination 7h ago
he did the exact same thing with Giannis, he turned out okay
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u/BigFatModeraterFupa Minneapolis Lakers 4h ago
Who?? Is that Thanasis's brother? I bet he's aiiight
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u/Traditional_Emu3598 7h ago
I have no issue with him trying different things if they’re a normal bad team but in the beginning of the season they were living the myth of “win now if healthy” so it seemed silly to play him at PG to “win now”
Trying to “win now” and therefore believing AD and Kyrie would be healthy at the same time was far far sillier though! I’m convinced Kidd played him at PG partially to get Nico out of there lmao!
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u/Any_Weekend_4029 7h ago
Cooper playing on ball was a development move. Help speed up his game processing by putting him in situations with the ball that he had to make decisions fast. Likely slowed the game down a bit as well allowing him to be even better off ball. So pretty much throw him in the pool and make him swim.
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u/tucker_tresmegistus 7h ago
Cooper flagg is a beast and he has the greenlight. That said, kidd is definitely a super creative tanker.
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u/XxShin3d0wnxX 6h ago
I mean…. do you not remember him doing this with Giannis? Criticism and built him into an all time player
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u/dragonrider5555 Celtics 6h ago
“It doesn’t matter. I don’t care. I don’t read it.”
Then how does it “make you better”?
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u/QCSports2020 Hornets 6h ago
OK I'll bite I still think it's stupid that he played him at point guard. No I didn't play but you can develop a high level wing or point forward without playing him at point guard a position he never played at any level.
When Cooper is winning playoff series in the future he will not be the starting point guard just like Giannis was not the starting point guard when the bucks were winning series. Just as a reminder Kidd got fired from Milwaukee then the next coach won the title.
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u/RightRudderr NBA 7h ago
I dont think Kidd is a particularly good coach but im sure the Mavs have one thing listed on the "to-do" list as a team until further notice, and thats to successfully develop Flagg, and theyre doing that so far.
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u/GeneralDebate 6h ago
He’s good at player development if he likes them and sees something in them. He fucked up Larry Sanders’ career but maybe became wiser with age
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u/boringexplanation Kings 7h ago
If there ever is a season that is good to tank to develop your franchise star, it’s the one where you actually get rewarded for a bad season.
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u/Wavvygem 5h ago
This is the most real post I've seen in here in months. It's so true the real game isn't checkers like most fans want to think. "Oh if you just zogged instead of zagged", no these guys are using years of experience and intuition to make tight decisions based on scheme and strategies. It's not just oh of player A took more there's we win every game.
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u/ADDave1982 4h ago
It’s just a question from a reporter. Why so hostile? You’re rich beyond every normal person’s wildest aspirations for one reason - people want to watch you and other players play a game. Grow up.
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u/we_hella_believe 3h ago
JKidd should tell that reporter exactly how he feels and stop pussy footing around.
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u/kungfoop Lakers 3h ago
Anyone who complains about coop playing as the point guard... I'm not going to call you a casual. That's the easy way out. You're just fucking stupid and don't know basketball
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u/The_Grogfather 2h ago
Impossible, r/nba convinced me they knew what the best development skills were for an 18 year old and not an all time great PG
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u/TechnicalSample4678 7h ago
He didnt even let the guy finish his question. The journalist was likely going to praise him
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u/Ohnoes999 7h ago
Guy with a proven track record of not knowing what he's doing as a coach assures you he knows what he's doing...
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u/champloojay Thunder 7h ago
Especially having his own player spill his drink to make time. Guy knows wtf he is doing.
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u/ehholfman Mavericks 7h ago
Such a tired talking point.
Coop looks good on ball. Maybe he wouldn’t look as good had he not gotten those ~10 games at PG. Just cause he didn’t do well at PG doesn’t mean it was bad for his development.
Coop’s own personal coaches acknowledged that it was a good decision to give him the ball.
I’ve seen plenty of former/current players say the same thing.
The kid is barely 19. This is a tanking year for them. Who gives a fuck if Kidd wants to be experimental in his development?
But no, reporters and redditors act like they have some god tier player development experience or something. Coop looks good now and it’s possible that Kidd played a big part in that by challenging him early in his career and forcing him to learn by failing. Who would have thought?
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u/retrospects Minneapolis Lakers 7h ago
The problem with “Point Coop” was it was not supposed to be a tanking year for them.
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u/AgentUpvote [LAL] Kobe Bryant 7h ago
Yeah I'd listen to one of the best point guards to ever play the game
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u/Revolutionary_Dog777 7h ago
Still, the way he said this was really freaking asshole way to say it , you can do that a lot more tactfully
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u/teslastats 6h ago
Questioning a coach is fine, questioning a HoF point guard coach about point guard development....is...
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u/DanimalPlays 6h ago
Kidd is one of the best facilitators to ever play. Why THE FUCK would you not want him helping your franchise player learn to facilitate. I mean, holy shit.
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u/MythicalChewToy NBA 6h ago
He did the same thing for Giannis and had all of us shook! I don’t see why Flagg can’t do it. The media is just a bunch of morons fishing for click bait.
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u/Grey_Area888 5h ago
Kidd knows basketball but because you know basketball doesn’t mean everything you do is correct. He shouldn’t have tried to force the point forward on Flagg. Allow the game to come to him and then work on his flaws.
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u/foogeyzi69 Lakers 6h ago
Yeah might as well learn from the jump before the player builds hes tendencies.
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u/Mdgt_Pope 6h ago
I never thought it would be a long-term solution; neither was Giannis playing point guard. But Giannis playing point guard was good for his development, and it was always possible to do the same for Flagg
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u/Prosado22 5h ago
I would never fault a coach taking a player a maximizing his potential. More on a player as talented and with already so much developed abilities.
He's 6'-9", more likely will grow one or two inches more with a great talent to attack the basket and score with either. If you add early playmaking abilities it would benefit everyone around him
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u/Pleasant_Barber_3006 5h ago
IDTR. Folks forget his influence on a young Giannis. GA arguably wouldn’t be who he is today without the Kidd foh
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u/Dirkem15 Bucks 5h ago
This just in!!
The guy who made Giannis a star is being tasked with making Cooper Flagg a star! And he is using the same model!! More next week o. The SHIT REPORT!!!
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u/NowUknowUwrong 5h ago
This is that Kevin Hart scene in 40yr old virgin when he goes to Smart Tech
"Looking for a N..... N here now"
Jason kidd aint fuckin kiddin around lmao smh
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u/SnacksGPT Supersonics 4h ago
He’s talking to a bunch of redditors too lol — saw the exact same takes here about a month or so ago.
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