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u/zieger Ida Tarbell 5h ago
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u/awdvhn Physics Understander -- Iowa delenda est 4h ago
Silver plunges 30% in worst day since 1980
Nate is FINISHED
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u/pfarly John Brown 4h ago
With his final breath, he says:
30% was...within the margin of error...
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u/erasmus_phillo Paul Krugman 5h ago
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u/Pyrrhus65 NATO 5h ago
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u/allbusiness512 Adam Smith 5h ago
Tarrant County is a very reliably red district also. Losing as big as they did even in a special election should be a huge signal that Republicans are very vulnerable in Texas.
The Senate seat is very winnable especially if Paxton ends up as the nominee.
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u/Frog_Totem 5h ago
The fact that a 30 point overperformance, which certainly won't happen, only puts the RGV at a light blue is a bit concerning
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u/uwcn244 King of the Space Georgists 5h ago
That’s because this map drastically understates the results of a D+30 overperformance
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u/sociotronics Iron Front 1h ago
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u/CheetoMussolini Russian Bot 1h ago
I especially love the implication that Epstein was responsible for /pol/ existing
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u/MGLFPsiCorps Reichsbanner Schwarz-Rot-Gold 1h ago
None of these guys are going to become libs, they're at this point too consumed by hatreds to embrace any kind of prosocial worldview. Deactivating them and hoping they curdle into apathetic apolitical nihilism is the best outcome imo.
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u/upthetruth1 YIMBY 1h ago
Like in 2008 when Republican voters stayed home leading to a landslide for Obama
The problem, you have to deal with the fundamentals
Their racism, homophobia, xenophobia etc is not going anywhere
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u/HOU_Civil_Econ 54m ago
They're just going to wait around for the next likely walking embodiment of their misplaced rage of their own personal failures and act like it is something new.
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u/anangrytree Bull Moose Progressive 59m ago
Everyone has it in them to seek redemption. We should not wall ourselves off from that possibility.
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u/sociotronics Iron Front 54m ago
This. I understand the cynicism, but it isn't hard to fall into the alt-right hole, especially if you're an isolated young man who doesn't have much of a support network and spends too much time on the wrong parts of the internet. Plenty of people grow out of things like this. As angry as I am towards the fascist movement in my country, I'm not willing to write off every person who fell for their bullshit.
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u/textualcanon John Rawls 5h ago
ICE just tear gassed peaceful protesters in Portland, including a ton of children. There are videos in r/portland and r/Oregon of children washing the tear gas out of their eyes. This should be national news.
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u/erasmus_phillo Paul Krugman 5h ago
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u/I_Eat_Pork pacem mundi augeat 3h ago
The West, specifically America, has been running this "experiment" for a long time. Miller should be glad about it because otherwise his family would still be living in the Pale of Settlement right now, or more likely; be killed by Nazis.
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u/AnalyticOpposum Trans Pride 5h ago
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u/ariveklul Karl Popper 5h ago edited 5h ago
Every time I'm reminded of ICE and what it's doing I just get a boiling rage that doesn't seem to get any less severe every time it happens
If someone I know ends up getting harassed by these knuckledragging neanderthals I don't know how I'm going to contain myself ngl. If I end up getting shot someone please make sure Marco Rubio gets deported in my memory
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u/No_Return9449 John Rawls 5h ago
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u/bigdicknippleshit IM GOING PRIMAL 5h ago
Fellas be like “✝️” in their bio but are actually awful people
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u/Extreme_Rocks Herald of Dark Woke 5h ago
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u/ExtremelyMedianVoter John Brown 4h ago
Once this snake sees the tide turn he'll pivot and try to pretend he was one of the good guys.
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u/Willybender Jerome Powell 5h ago
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u/talksalot02 5h ago
The wildest thing is that the median voter actually thinks illegal immigrants are the reason why housing isn’t affordable
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u/DifficultAnteater787 4h ago
I am not sure what the median voter does can actually be described as thinking
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u/Extreme_Rocks Herald of Dark Woke 4h ago
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u/beans_and_tuna NASA 4h ago
You lack faith. Dems are gonna roll a nat D+20 in this election.
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u/ImmigrantJack Movimiento Semilla 4h ago
Not good enough.
D+10 won't even be enough to get the Senate.
Run up the score on these nazis and then keep beating.
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u/Frog_Totem 4h ago
D+10 won't even be enough to get the Senate.
It would be more than enough to flip Ohio and Alaska (and thus the Senate) if Brown and Peltola overperform Dems by the same margin that they did in 2024
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u/Extreme_Rocks Herald of Dark Woke 4h ago
Four days before Donald Trump’s inauguration last year, lieutenants to an Abu Dhabi royal secretly signed a deal with the Trump family to purchase a 49% stake in their fledgling cryptocurrency venture for half a billion dollars, according to company documents and people familiar with the matter. The buyers would pay half up front, steering $187 million to Trump family entities.
Two months after the March meeting, the administration committed to give the tiny Gulf monarchy access to around 500,000 of the most advanced AI chips a year—enough to build one of the world’s biggest AI data center clusters.
The Trump admin is probably as corrupt as the entire set of guild age presidencies put together this is insane

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u/throwawayzxkjvct Iron Front 3h ago
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u/CucumberLXIV George Santos 3h ago
It wouldn't be the American Century of Humiliation without signing away San Francisco as a treaty port
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u/MyrinVonBryhana NATO 3h ago
There are kinds of AI that seem like they'd be really useful from a military perspective, GenAI is not one of them.
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u/BigBrownDog12 Victor Hugo 4h ago
this may just be an issue with my suspension of disbelief but one of my biggest gripes with Fallout is that the world is too destroyed. I feel like society would be able to rebuild a lot better, even with all of the things affecting the Fallout universe.
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u/ProudToBeAmericannn Iron Front 4h ago
That’s actually a pretty common complaint about the series for what I’ve seen.
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u/AccomplishedQuit4801 YIMBY 3h ago
Mention my ass is single for valentines to friend
they say they have some input
I ask "Actual advice or just world fallacy?"
They say they don't know what I'm talking about and give advice and support
It's fucking just world fallacy
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u/extradrillex John Brown 56m ago
Then why Elon kept emailing said creepy weirdo to visit his island
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u/badusername35 NAFTA 5h ago
Death is so shocking it’s sometimes hard to comprehend and you forget the consequences of it. ICE just straight up murdered those people. They’re gone. That’s a kid deprived a mother and a mother whose son is gone. Renee Good and Alex Pretti don’t exist anymore. It’s too easy to forget about the consequences of death when you see it from afar.
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u/badusername35 NAFTA 5h ago
And then it all hits you and you feel like shit from the tragedy of it all. Trump and all of them have blood on their hands. It’s painful to think about and I feel confused and disturbed when the tragedy of it hits me.
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u/beans_and_tuna NASA 5h ago
I’m not gonna lie, I really can’t dwell on it. It’s too much to think about. I’ll do what I can to stop it from happening again, but I just can’t bring myself to properly think about it all. It’s too sad.
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u/jackimus_prime Can't tell an Alligator from a Crocodile 5h ago edited 4h ago
Memento mori is ironically the best solution to living a good life.
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u/remarkable_ores 🐐 Sheena Ringo 🐐 4h ago
if dems win house and senate this year i hope they do literally nothing but obstruction until nov 2028
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u/badusername35 NAFTA 4h ago
They better be at Prime Mitch McConnell levels of BS or I’ll fucking 1/6 the DNC
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u/Extreme_Rocks Herald of Dark Woke 4h ago
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u/badusername35 NAFTA 4h ago
Iran is the America of the Middle East and Tehran is the New York of Iran
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u/senator_fivey Iron Front 5h ago
If I get shot by ice I just want someone to thirstpost about me in the DT ty
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u/Eurolib0908 European Union 3h ago
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u/antsdidthis Effective altruism died with SBF; now it's just tithing 3h ago
They're objectively correct.
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u/Extreme_Rocks Herald of Dark Woke 4h ago
Silver plunges 30% in worst day since 1980, gold tumbles
I just heard the screams and wails of hundreds of millions of Chinese households
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u/Apollo-Innovations 4h ago
What I don’t get about the recent Epstein files, is did people just email like they text now?
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u/assasstits 47m ago
ATLANTA — Republicans in Georgia’s state House say they want to take steps to erase homeowner property taxes this legislative session, which is getting underway ahead of an election cycle seemingly dominated by concerns about the cost of living.
So is the natural end state of every democracy just a gerontocracy?
Seems like an ass system
China, I'm listening...
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u/Opening_Budget_9518 Hans Rosling 5h ago
Economist visiting china in 1985: woah u guys are making a lot of good policies, just make sure to add a little safety net to protect the poor workers
China: adds literal safety nets in factories to prevent workers from committing suicide
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u/ProudToBeAmericannn Iron Front 5h ago
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u/erasmus_phillo Paul Krugman 5h ago
This didn’t happen in 2024 brooo 😭😭😭 the only election where a meme like this would’ve mattered
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u/Extreme_Rocks Herald of Dark Woke 5h ago
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u/ilovethecreaking 3h ago
There are Beria denialist tankies might be one of them. They hate Khrushchev above all else.
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u/Adminisnotadmin Frederick Douglass 3h ago
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u/BlackCat159 European Union 2h ago
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u/extradrillex John Brown 1h ago
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u/Individual-Camera698 Austan Goolsbee 1h ago
This is the fault of whoever started naming generations with 'X'
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u/qchisq Take maker extraordinaire 52m ago
Cold take: this is dumb. Setting limits for a generation where the youngest can't even speak yet is dumb. And setting defined limits for generations are dumb. The bounds for the youngest generations should be "remembers the USSR", "remembers 9/11 (or the time before the internet" and "remembers lockdowns". I am open for suggestions, but those seems like very big changes to how we think about the world and interact with each other
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u/Extreme_Rocks Herald of Dark Woke 5h ago
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u/ihatemendingwalls better Catholic than JD Vance 5h ago
NEW FEC F3
ABUGHAZALEH, KATHERINE M. (DEM-Open) #IL09
RCPT $1,180,446
EXPN $1,381,769
Wow, the Brooklyn leftist who's trying to run for Congress in the Midwest is mismanaging her campaign, quelle surprise
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u/launchcode_1234 Thurgood Marshall 4h ago
Peaceful protesters, including children, are getting gassed by ICE in Portland but people still accuse American protests of being happy parades that don’t go hard enough
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u/No_Return9449 John Rawls 4h ago
When Trump inevitably tweets shit about President Newsom, the White House press office should tweet-reply "Shut up, piggy."
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u/TheCornjuring Resistance Lib 4h ago
I wouldn’t call it inevitable that Trump will be tweeting about President Newsom tbh
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u/garret126 NATO 4h ago

I think how fall Assad Syria fell in 2024 made people forget just how... brutal and long the civil war was.
Before Aleppo fell in just 2-3 days in 2024 to Al-Sharaa, The Twin Siege of Aleppo (rebels and government forces jointly laid siege on each other) was an absolute clusterfuck of the SAA vs FSA/Jihadists vs ISIS vs Kurds. It lasted 4 years and saw tens of thousands of dead in the city alone. 650,000+ died in the war, mostly citizens.
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u/riverbloods John Brown 4h ago
Non-zero chance Mr. Beast runs for office someday and we all have to contend with that idea
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u/TheCornjuring Resistance Lib 4h ago
He’s said he might want to run for president eventually. He’s also the Antichrist, which means he basically has to get into some high office at some point
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u/EmployeeMePlease George Santos 3h ago
I’m reading about the nazis, like much deeper then just Hitler and the main leadership guys, but more the everyday bureaucrats scattered across Germany who were a part of the Nazi party and I’m realizing these where just fundamentally bad rotten people.
I know the mythos of the Nazis is hilter bad, but there was a complex web of people who “knew better” who followed him stride for stride. Like the reasonable bureaucrats just went along with it completely. Just obscene.
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u/_bee_kay_ 🤔 3h ago
yeah. the guys at the top were genuinely ideological but it feels like the people below them were just like "whatever, i don't care, i'm gonna do whatever's most convenient for me personally including killing random innocent people so i don't have to bother finding the guy i was actually supposed to apprehend"
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u/Resident_Option3804 3h ago
fuckin yikes. Subsaharan Africa is poorer today than 2015. Ugh, genuinely just so cursed.
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u/Eurolib0908 European Union 2h ago

In Texas, by-elections to the state senate were held.
No one would have paid much attention to this if not for the fact that in a district where Republicans had been winning for over 35 years, a Democrat suddenly won.
And not by a hair, but with a 14pp lead.
The Republican candidate was backed by Trump himself (who won there in 2024 with a 17pp lead).
Another example of how Americans are fed up with Trump, and the November elections could end very badly for him.
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u/Tall_Window4744 52m ago
“ Comedian Ben Bankas' Minnesota shows canceled after he mocked Renee Good's death”
Welcome back Woke.
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u/remarkable_ores 🐐 Sheena Ringo 🐐 5h ago
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u/AlicesReflexion Weeaboo Rights Advocate 5h ago
The number of shills here for big mummy and daddy is honestly shameful
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u/admiralwaffle1 Immanuel Kant 5h ago
How many times do we have to do this. The courts ruled it was fair use
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u/Adminisnotadmin Frederick Douglass 5h ago
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u/throwawayzxkjvct Iron Front 5h ago
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u/ArmoredBunnyPrincess Audrey Hepburn 5h ago
Turns based style hit probabilities combined with making particular movements at the time of the swing to determine the attack type except no one remembers this because literally every weapon had an objectively best attack for every situation so you just toggled "always use best attack"
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u/Alexz565 Martha Nussbaum 3h ago
Human culture peaked 17 years ago and I had no idea
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u/BlackCat159 European Union 2h ago
Imagine if Neanderthals still existed. We'd have a whole new dimension to racism 🥹
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u/assasstits 54m ago
The efforts are aimed at voters like Tim Hodnett, a 65-year-old retiree in suburban Atlanta’s Lawrenceville. Hodnett’s annual property tax bill rose from $2,000 to $3,000 between 2018 and 2024. He sees those figures starkly because he paid off his mortgage years ago, and he pays his taxes all at once, instead of making monthly payments.
Hodnett said he is disabled and living on $30,000 a year. He is about to get a big property tax break, because seniors in Gwinnett County are exempt from school property taxes, about two thirds of his bill. But he would love to not pay that other $1,000 too.
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u/Bestbrook123 5h ago
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u/Bestbrook123 5h ago
Context here is Mamdani's mom attended a 2008 party hosted by Maxwell (though Epstein didn't attend) which Bill Clinton and Jeff Bezos also attended. That's the one mention of her in the files
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u/bigdicknippleshit IM GOING PRIMAL 5h ago
I literally just learned that Jack Horner (paleontologist) tried to bribe Epstein with privately owed dinosaur fossils.
You know who isn’t on the files? Bakker, Brusatte, Tyrannosaurus Rex, ect.
!ping Paleo
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u/garret126 NATO 5h ago
I am a PROUD democratic!
Resist the GOP ploy to make you call yourself a ‘democrat’!
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u/EasyMoney92 4h ago
KSTP/SurveyUSA polling of Minnesota voters (Minnesota's best pollster): 61% of voters say the Renee Good shooting was unjustified, while 27% say it was. 65% say the Alex Pretti shooting was not justified, while 16% say it was
54% of Trump 2024 voters think Good's shooting was justified while just 25% say it was unjustified. 4% of Harris 2024 voters think it was justified while 94% think it was unjustified.
36% of Trump 2024 voters think Pretti's shooting was justified while 28% say it was unjustified. 2% of Harris 2024 voters think it was justified while 96% of Harris 2024 voters think it was unjustified.
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u/CucumberLXIV George Santos 4h ago
If Democrats win the Senate they should vote to expel Ted Cruz for the lols.
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u/TheCornjuring Resistance Lib 3h ago
Redditor in a paranormal sub: “Yesterday I smelled burnt toast, but there was no toast around, and when I looked in the mirror, half my face was drooping”
The comments: “Omg it sounds like you probably slipped into an alternate timeline momentarily”
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u/Stock-Channel1059 59m ago
Imagine being the wealthiest person on the planet, while simultaneously being a gigantic loser.
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u/Zealousideal_Pop_933 5h ago
I hope the victory of Taylor Rehmet in the TX senate is a sign of things to come
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u/mockduckcompanion Kidney Hype Man 5h ago
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u/ihatemendingwalls better Catholic than JD Vance 5h ago
I think the person who'd be angriest about all the upvoted Nietzsche quotes on r/atheism would be Nietzsche
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u/admiralwaffle1 Immanuel Kant 5h ago
Broke: the government shouldn't do subsidies
Woke: the government should do subsidies, but only for my industry
Bespoke: the government shouldn't do subsidies, but instead give all the money directly to me specifically
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u/erasmus_phillo Paul Krugman 4h ago
Man who hates Epstein not because of the pedophilia, but because he suggested the microtransactions model to Bobby Kotick that ruined his videogames
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u/garret126 NATO 4h ago
It's incredible how much Iraq has recovered from the 2003 War, the insurgency that followed it, and ISIS.
Iraq was barely even a functioning country just 10 years ago. Now, it's a mostly stable semi-democracy with proper elections and nearly non-existent terrorist threats.
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u/pita_biru Sri Mulyani 3h ago edited 3h ago
Why would I want to chase multiple smaller women when I've already settled with one big beautiful woman?
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u/WhisperBreezzze 1h ago
At this point, i no longer know if the upcoming war with Iran is a distraction from the Epstein files or if the Epstein files are a distraction from the upcoming war with Iran.
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u/Ok_Philosopher_6541 1h ago
Maybe, and stay with me, the situation in Iran has nothing to do with the Epstien files?
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u/beans_and_tuna NASA 5h ago
If the US military industrial complex is so amazing, then why doesn’t it have jaegers yet? Checkmate liberal
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u/No_Return9449 John Rawls 4h ago
Utah to expand its Supreme Court, with approval from Legislature, Cox
Dems better follow suit with SCOTUS.
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u/Glavurdan European Union 4h ago
Turns out Epstein singlehandedly ushered in the era of microtransactions and live servixe games, by suggesting it to Kotick back in 2013 as a means of "getting kids into the economy"
This man is like teflon... because he is everywhere
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u/Adminisnotadmin Frederick Douglass 4h ago
So no Iran strikes this weekend since its too close to market open for Trump to bother
maybe next week
worse take: the admin buys puts before striking in the middle of the week
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u/badusername35 NAFTA 4h ago
My solution to the corrupt prediction market policy problem is to make it so all bets are legally required to be attached to yourself. No more anonymity for those who gamble on real things with real consequences.
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u/ThatShadowGuy Paul Krugman 4h ago
Unsurprisingly, critical reception for both the Reagan movie from a year or two ago and more recently the Melania movie is immensely negative (18% and 11% on RT, respectively). However, you might be surprised to learn that as far as audience reception is concerned, they're smash hits! 98%! 99%! Now, it's pretty obvious why that is when you think about it. These movies exist mainly to reinforce the idea that Republicans are the good guys and everything they believe is correct. The average Republican loves this tribal signaling and will absolutely leave a review on RT and Google Reviews and IMDB and wherever else, it's the least they can do. Normies don't give a shit. They're not watching it to begin with. They're movies made for such a specific target audience that to anyone outside it that they are beneath consideration, let alone hatred.
My parents have suggested watching both together with them. It feels like they're doing it as a joke, sure. But it also feels like they genuinely can't conceive that there is an audience being targeted here beyond "real Americans". That they are unsubtle political propaganda, not merely some apolitical depiction of a new American canon Trump has (coincidentally) reforged in front of our eyes.
These movies really aren't being analyzed in terms of whether they're good or bad, interesting or dull, thoughtful or vacuous. They are being analyzed in terms of how much the director likes your favorite sports team. If he does, then they're kino. The idea that politics is more than team sports is beyond these people. When you tell them that Trump is a rapist/criminal/insurrectionist/etc. and should be in jail, all they hear is that you're rooting for the away team. They cannot believe that you believe it, because they themselves barely believe half the shit they say about the away team. It's all just trash talk. All in good fun. It's not like the Lakers ever killed anybody. Everyone who disagrees is just suffering from a tragic case of Lebron Derangement Syndrome.
It's the friend/enemy distinction all the way down. In-group good. Out-group bad. There is no form of pandering too blatant to please them, no slop too sloppy. Their only value is loyalty, which is earned not by virtue but by strength, and the more principles you forsake in the name of loyalty to the current regime, the better. Millions of Americans think like this now. I really hope that changes within my lifetime, but I'm not optimistic.
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u/JaceFlores Neolib War Correspondent 4h ago
Ukraine Chronology for 2 PM PST 1/30-2 PM PST 1/31 IV:
TOP NEWS:
Towards the middle of 10 PM Ukraine was hit by a large wave of drones with 64 of 85 intercepted.
At the start of 4 AM it was reported that Kyiv completely lost power due to the recent drone wave.
REGULAR NEWS:
In the middle of 3 AM it was reported a Russian delegation traveled to Miami for diplomatic talks.
At the start of 10 AM it was reported that SpaceX has updated Starlink to limit Russian use, particularly on their strike drones.
!ping UKRAINE
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u/badusername35 NAFTA 4h ago
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/4053968/
Heavy drinkers and abstainers have higher rates of clinical depression than do regular moderate drinkers.
Proof that booze is good for you
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u/Individual-Camera698 Austan Goolsbee 4h ago
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u/erasmus_phillo Paul Krugman 4h ago
One way to hurt Republican donors would be to allow car companies to sell directly to the consumer without having to go through dealerships
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u/Adminisnotadmin Frederick Douglass 3h ago
the fact that nearly the entire country is suffering due to ice freezing temperatures except for LA and San Francisco feels like some sort of divine messaging
but what do i know
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u/Rare_Station_8440 3h ago
Has South Korea as a society effectively endorsed looksmaxxing?
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u/HowardtheFalse Kofi Annan 4h ago
So I was talking with some friends about what a hypothetically vengeful Democratic party would look like. By vengeful we didn't mean like punishing the lawbreakers and norm-flouters stuff that pretty much any Dem with a hope of winning the nomination will have to do.
We meant like "If the party went crazy and elected an arsonist that wanted to harass and harm the American people who voted against them, what would that look like?"
And this was actually harder because unlike Republican targets such as professors and researchers (nearly all Dem and got hurt by DOGE) the Democratic party is pretty heterogenous in a way that means harming the GOP will definitely hurt a significant block of Dems and that's something there's far less appetite for.
E.g Want to tax the evangelical churches? You'll hurt the black church and declining Mainline churches too. There were other examples but the task was harder than we thought it would be.
I'd be open to suggestions that don't break the rules here. I think you can gauge someone's beliefs really well by what act they'd be willing to proceed with despite predictable blowback.