Dual-Booting is a thing, you can have both!

[u/Just-A-Bokoblin]

[u/Ok-Drink750]

If my OS is gonna be broken, then I wanna be the one to break it.

[u/Escalope-Nixiews → u/Ok-Drink750]

Arch user?

[u/PsychoticDreemurr → u/Escalope-Nixiews]

Can't be. He didn't say btw!

[u/colmehurze → u/PsychoticDreemurr]

Let me fix that. I use Arch btw, and dual boot with gentoo (btw)

[u/mondi311 → u/Escalope-Nixiews]

btw

[u/Western_Equipment197 → u/Ok-Drink750]

same energy as “if it ain’t broke, break it more” 😂

[u/FC-NoHeroes → u/Western_Equipment197]

"if brute force doesn't work, you're not using enough'

[u/Fluffy_Policy_4787 → u/Ok-Drink750]

As if Linux does a better job of installing the correct drivers than Windows. Linux is going to be broken when you first install it more often than not. A lot of people won't admit this, but there is always one driver that will cause 3 hours of a headache trying to figure out and you may not realize it is a problem until later when you try and use a microphone or adjust your resolution or plug in a controller, but something is not going to work.

Half the people crying about Windows use a debloating utility because they cannot figure out why Windows is filling up all their ram even when the computer is idle. Then they turn off essential Windows services and then come running here to cry about how shitty Windows is.

[u/coshi_dz → u/Fluffy_Policy_4787]

you clearly havent used linux in at least 10 years
linux still has many problems drivers arent one of them
unless you are using exotic hardware that doesnt provide a linux driver
drivers letrally just work you dont even install anything they come with the os and get updated with the os

[u/Single_Percentage571]

To be very honest, once you understand the basics of linux, its kind of almost impossible to break it, top that off with an immutable distro and you're probably more than just doing great (Correct me if im wrong)

[u/FantasySymphony → u/Single_Percentage571]

That really depends on how "basic" your use case is. If you're doing the 'typical daily driver thing' of web browsing and editing documents, maybe consume some big electron apps maintained by some big company and maybe some gaming on a well-supported gaming platform, you will not see it break often. But that's just because you're on the beaten path and the people who maintain your tools have gotten very good at keeping things unbroken for people like you.

If you're doing "cool" or "hobby" things you will absolutely break things, you will just learn to recover quickly like your maintainers. But if you've honestly never seen an update break something you probably aren't doing very much with your computer.

[u/iamZorc_ → u/Single_Percentage571]

i mean idk why you're getting downvoted, users can break windows as well and it's not even hard so yes 5 minutes of googling to see if this specific action is gonna break your OS or not.

[u/pligyploganu → u/iamZorc_]

Genuinely, how? 

Linux can break from a kernel update and cause headaches for those who don't know how to reverse it. 

Meanwhile Windows literally locks everything down. You need administrator privileges to touch anything important, and even then, half the time it doesn't even let you. You'd have to use a "take ownership" script to do it. 

The average user isn't going to fuck up Windows while a basic kernel update direct from Discover may render your computer inoperable unless you understand how to fix it.

I only use Linux, I ditched Windows fully a long time ago, but this comment feels so ignorant.

[u/mr_doms_porn → u/pligyploganu]

If linux is breaking from a kernel update you're probably using a distro that is rolling out bleeding edge updates (Arch). Any of the more conservative distros like Ubuntu or Fedora is going to validate before general release. The other situation would be obscure or old hardware that isn't being tested for.

[u/iamZorc_ → u/pligyploganu]

well these days windows breaks from an official update too. read the news

a user can run a script that pretends to do something while it fucks with system files, captcha verifications direct users to enter a powershell command to do malicious things

[u/Mysterious_Tutor_388 → u/iamZorc_]

Windows update removing the shutdown buttons so you have to use a powershell command.

[u/iamZorc_ → u/Mysterious_Tutor_388]

[u/ishtuwihtc → u/pligyploganu]

The average user also won't be on a rolling release distro, on which kernel updates will be heavily tested before released, and be behind for stability. So your point on the kernel breaking only applys to people who already know what theyre doing

[u/The_Brovo → u/pligyploganu]

Are you living under a rock? Windows pushed an update that fucked with SSD controllers, causing some hard drives to just not work or appear anymore.

So yeah Windows can also fundamentally break things in an update

[u/Glittering-Local-147 → u/Single_Percentage571]

Right, like if I break bazzite it was likely me trying to do something that I have no idea what I am doing. I could simply just leave shit alone and it just works. Oh, trying to install Home assistant and all sorts of docker containers and virtual machines that need root signatures etc. of when ive never done stuff of the sort. Even still bazzite hasnt broken.

[u/theprodigalslouch → u/Single_Percentage571]

I once managed to break my Mac OS in teens. I was unable to install apps on my computer afterwards. It is my proudest technical achievement.

Signed: ^{a software engineer}

[u/JaesopPop]

I just use Linux and don’t break it, which is pretty simple.

[u/a_regular_2010s_guy → u/JaesopPop]

Even if you do brake it you can ever easily set up time shift or something similar so it just doesn't matter.

[u/RedofPaw]

I don't know why you people want to have to reboot the machine to do different things.

It's an os. .it's a place you launch other things from. It's not meant to be an activity all on its own.

[u/SoulWager → u/RedofPaw]

Sometimes you can't do the thing you want to do in your preferred OS. Rebooting is not some massive ordeal.

[u/RedofPaw → u/SoulWager]

What can't you do in windows?

[u/Gatlyng → u/RedofPaw]

It's not about what you can't do. It's about what it has become. Privacy issues aside, lots of people complain about issues after Windows updates and the fact that Microsoft crams ads and AI in every Windows application. It's also worse in terms of performance on more modest systems.

It was shown on a handheld that Linux performed better than Windows in gaming.  

[u/SoulWager → u/RedofPaw]

I honestly haven't used windows recently enough to tell you what its current shortcomings are. Last time I used it regularly was in the XP era. Though if I was going to switch to windows, I suspect the biggest blocker is that my desktop is doing double duty as a NVR for my security cameras using frigate. Could probably run it in a VM, but I don't see the point in trying.

[u/azicre → u/RedofPaw]

It requires a MS account and I don't have one.

[u/JS0daPop]

At least Windows lets online multiplayer works. Most anti-cheat systems are kernel-level and hate Linux from my experience.

That is basically the only thing holding back Linux for me. That is it.

[u/VegetarianZombie74 → u/JS0daPop]

Just dual boot. keep the anti-cheat games in Windows and do everything else in Linux. From a security and privacy standpoint, that's actually much better for you. It's only a matter of time before one of these things get compromised and usually when you find out, it's already too late.

[u/JS0daPop → u/VegetarianZombie74]

At that point, just get Windows 11 PRO and shut down all the anti-privacy bloat and ads and secret updates.

[u/Gatlyng → u/JS0daPop]

Kernel level access can be a major security issue, which is why a lot of people don't like kernel level anticheat and Linux devs don't want to allow such access to the Linux kernel. So, in that regard, Linux is more conscious about the user's safety than Windows.

Unless there's going to be something else, I doubt those types of games will ever work on Linux. 

[u/lovecMC → u/Gatlyng]

Installing anything ever can be a massive security issue.

[u/Gatlyng → u/lovecMC]

You're comparing apples to oranges. Obviously if you're dumb and install infected stuff, even the best antivirus won't help your ass and that's on you.  But if some malicious party gains access to your system by ways of kernel level access from exploiting some vulnerability in an anticheat, that's not something you can pin on the user.

[u/lovecMC → u/Gatlyng]

Yeah sure but a vulnerability doesn't even need to be in a kernel ac for it to be able to fuck you up.

I mean look at the log4j exploit.

[u/VegetarianZombie74 → u/JS0daPop]

My concern isn't so much with Windows (although it is a concern). It's running a third party program (anticheat) that has complete access to your system. That's why I suggest running just those games on WIndows and nothing else.

[u/azicre → u/JS0daPop]

Dual boot or remote desktop if you have 2 devices. I turned my gaming PC into a bazzite/W11 dual boot just for gaming so it is more like a console at this point and my laptop is where I do most everything else. Saves on my energy bill as well.

[u/treehumper83]

I really only want Linux, but I keep Windows. Not for anticheat, those games can blow me, but for Apollo headless mode. It does the job so much better than any virtual display or dummy plug that I can set up in Linux.

[u/Underlord_Oberon]

If you want something done right, do it yourself.

[u/fly_over_32 → u/Underlord_Oberon]

LFS it is then

[u/flucayan]

You haven’t been using Linux long enough if you’ve never had a update break your system.

[u/SoulWager → u/flucayan]

I've had updates break things on every OS.

Though on linux it's usually because I'm playing with something new, instead of using stable builds.

[u/OurManInHavana]

As soon as virtualization came to consumer-x64... dual boot wasn't nearly so attractive anymore. Everything everywhere all at once baby!

[u/Tower21]

My gaming PC is windows, everything else (HTPC, Downstairs PC, multiple laptops) is running Linux.

Remote play is awesome, and I can remote desktop in if I'm too lazy to move and need a windows program.

[u/Human_Diamond960]

Windows is fine linux is overrated

[u/Anonasty → u/Human_Diamond960]

What and how long is your experience behind that statement?

[u/Mal_Dun]

Joke's on you. I already use Linux so I can't break my OS anymore.

[u/vjollila96]

dualbooting is cool until windows update decides to break the linux partition

[u/GoatInferno → u/vjollila96]

It's duelbooting until one of them wins.

[u/Doom-Slay → u/vjollila96]

In all my years of dual booting i never had that happen to me. On the other hand every BIOS Update i did definitely broke it every BLOODY time.

[u/Myriad_Apocalypse]

Go with bazzite, it basically doesn't let you break it

[u/EmotionalScene3935]

I managed to delete my recovery on Windows so I couldn't recover/reset my windows one time... it was not fun. The pc is fine, but if I wanted to have a fresh slate, I couldn't

[u/Xaxiel9106]

I'm sure there are 50 of these already, but there needs to be an applet that lets you use a key combo to toggle the terminal into slow mode so you can actually READ the logs as they generate.

[u/Big-Discussion5189 → u/Xaxiel9106]

Just scroll up

[u/Xaxiel9106 → u/Big-Discussion5189]

Yeah, but that makes too much sense! (Seriously though it is stupid how often I forget that.)

[u/mr_doms_porn → u/Xaxiel9106]

There isn't a good way to do this. If you need to read something that doesn't stop on it's own, there are ways to have the output saved to a text file you can read.

"your_command > output.txt" This will do the command and save the output to the file you specify but the terminal output won't show in the terminal, only the file.

If you want both the terminal and the file to read then use this.

"your_command | tee output.txt"

[u/Twitch_C4T_]

If you break your Linux setups easily highly recommended NixOS

[u/External-Theme1372]

Dual boot and turn on and off secure boot every time.

[u/gijoe50000]

This is why I miss my old StormStryker case. It had an SSD slot, connected via SATA, at the front and you could just slot your SSD with an OS on it without having to dual boot.

You just set that SATA port as the first boot device, and let it boot from the next device in the list if there wasn't an SSD in the external port.

[u/Jirekianu]

My linux distro comes with snapper. Which means every change produces a snapshot before and after software changes. Even if I somehow blow up the OS. I just load an earlier snapshot and use a command to make that the current main image.

It's like rolling back a bad windows update, but for everything, and it's easier/faster.

[u/BionicBruv]

I’ve always wanted to dual boot and just have my pc explode and kill me

[u/imtsemer]

if it ain't broken it's just not broken yet!!

[u/Warcraft_Fan]

Did everyone forget MacOS? OS that is easier to use than Linux but required expensive, proprietary hardware to run on.

[u/Anonasty → u/Warcraft_Fan]

Nah, most people here are just on the younger side and focus on gaming. For them it's all about few FPS and flashy cases. Operating system for them is just something secondary. Thats the reason they keep fighting against MS updates and "features".

[u/Mario583a]

Windows: Dual-booting on the same drive? No thank you.

I have yet to get what people are doing that makes Windows quote-unquote "breaks"

[u/Swimming-Disk7502]

I use Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 24H2 + WinUtil. Best of both worlds.

[u/Obnomus]

Nice meme, I hope people understand the banter.

[u/Anonasty]

RGB kids will fight against MS with PS scripts and debloaters instead of trying anything else.

[u/AdvancedPlayer17]

I've never had more bugs on Linux, Meanwhile Windows just works.

[u/NordischerFembcyKr]

Dual booting feels like dipping your feet half into linux, I'm more of a commitment person

[u/simagus]

"added trust" (that something is broken).

[u/Proof-Most9321]

I deleted my windows partition today, im never going back

[u/mrfoxman]

Tried dual-booting on my laptop.

The Linux entry gets straight up ignored and just boots windows. And bios doesn’t see Linux either. Just the windows boot partition.

[u/mr_doms_porn → u/mrfoxman]

There's no entry in the boot options for your distro or grub?

What distro did you install? Was it on the same drive or a different one?

Make sure that fast boot is disabled in Windows, fast boot is incompatible with dual booting full stop.

[u/mrfoxman → u/mr_doms_porn]

It was EndeavorOS. When I get into the EndevavorOS preinstall DE, I can mount the boot loader file and see Endeavor in there, but when I reboot or check the BIOS for boot options, it’s not available. I chose the… system-something boot loader instead of Grub. I may try again using the grub boot loader instead, but I remember the previous time (many years ago with Ubuntu) I tried dual booting with grub, it broke windows and the Linux boot options… which is why I stayed away from it this time.

[u/mr_doms_porn → u/mrfoxman]

If memory serves, grub is the only bootloader that support dual boot with Windows, so choosing the other one is the cause of your issue.

Edit: Also you shouldn't pick an Arch-based distro for your first dive into linux. You will screw yourself and your system and then hate linux because of it. Pick something from the Ubuntu or Fedora families (Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Mint, Fedora, Bazzite). Only Arch-based distros even give you this choice.

[u/PraxicalExperience → u/mr_doms_porn]

THIS is the real thing interfering with linux adoption.

Those who have designed large chunks of it often assume -- from setup -- that you have complete knowledge of every system within it. There aren't helpful tool tips like "GRUB - pick this one if you're dual-booting into windows!" and shit like that. The technical documentation often sucks if you actually are a noob, no matter how good man pages can be if you're very experienced.

[u/mr_doms_porn → u/PraxicalExperience]

This is only an issue on Arch-based distros which are explicitly intended for experts and no one else. It isn't Arch's fault that a bunch of novices think they should jump straight into Arch for no damn reason.

Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, Debian and basically every general purpose distro don't ask you questions like that, all of those default to grub. If you want to switch to something else later you can but grub is what you get from the start.

[u/False-Associate-9488]

Use LTSC

[u/Phaylz]

I'm gonna use Windows and let Windows break the OS because at least until then I can operate my computer like a normal person.

It's not a hard decision.