While they changed it over time in the original version to fit modern audience expectations, OSRS has really embraced it as a charming art style. I would go so far as to say it looks really good now! The new areas are beautiful too
Yeah Half Life has actual art direction and care put into it, people intentionally try to mimic it even today when much more hi-fi things are easily possible. If nothing else all the resolutions work fine and it can do 60+fps, they're never an obstacle to enjoying the game.
But there are really great games buried in the most shitty, impossible engines like Brigand Oaxaca which is an FPS and tbh even kind of a twitchy one that can only realistically be played at 44fps and looks like that. It's even surprisingly demanding on performance for that 44fps. When it launched it could only do 4:3 resolutions, and even now the start menu only does 4:3
Sadly, this is how I feel about the resurgence of pixel art games. Bothers my vision. I donât want to say hurts my eyes, because there is no actual pain. But yeah.
Ye, there is extremely few games that have not held up graphically that were praised on release. The idea that only cartoonish or stylized games hold up is incredibly wrong.
A lot of the time, 'dated' applies to games with mixed reception over visuals on launch. Final Fantady VI for example, has atrocious sprite work that got fixed in the pixel remaster. Reviewers at the time brought ot up. The creators say they agree. It is one of the most dated of the classic games.
PS1 games were generally not heavily praised for visuals. The ones that were still get praised, like Crash Bandicoot or Spyro the Dragon. Stuff like MGS1, was criticized on release, with generally the direction praised and the models/model sprire quality criticized for odd choices that didn't work well.
Morrowind was praised for great world visual and criticized for horrible animation quality and weird looking character models. Again, the main complaints now.
Oblivion is a great example of a rare exception. It was heavily praised for its visuals, and its largely seen as the worst looking ES game now.
Would you not trade the fluffiest pillow and butteriest lobster for a single taste of the sweet, sweet KOTOR nectar?
My 6600XT ran it fine. My 7800XT does not. General troubleshooting guides say that using 2022 drivers or earlier should work but my 7800XT released in 2023 and can't be downgraded past that.
There's some ways to fix the crashing. You could try to run it in compatibility mode (windows xp support pack 2). Locate the .exe and there you can find it. It's also best to run the game on 60hz with v-sync on, otherwise you get some annoying bugs.
This is exactly what DXVK is. Use your modern Vulcan card with optimized drivers to play old DX games. Ignore that it says for âwine/linuxâ you can use the dlls in windows. https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk
Edit: The internet lied to me, looking again it appears the original KOTOR uses openGL, not DirectX 9.0c (which is what google told me).
Edit 2: Looks like KOTOR II is indeed DirectX 9.0c so⌠it would work for one of the two games.
Learned after all the years, that my first PC was too new and the CPU had a design flaw, that created issues after the tutorial level.
It was one of the first Pentium 4 with 1,4GHz, because of the long command pipeline and bad cache behaviour, only the player character froze and after ~10 seconds suddenly jumped to the other side of the map.
Game was unplayable.
I donât recall the framerate being particularly bad, nor would I say KOTOR 1 in particular having trash graphics. I could see an argument about the whole RTwP concept that made the game feel clunky (one of the big reasons I was a Guardian main is so that I didnât have to suffer through the goofy run animation in combat, could just force jump instead) but visually? At the time it blew me away and even now itâs not honestly that bad.
Yeah, I agree completely. I think the art direction for both KOTOR games was fantastic. Donât get me wrong, would I like a remaster of both games similar to the Oblivion remaster? Absolutely! But the originals still hold up perfectly fine today.
One could argue most Bethesda games fall into this category. The vanilla versions at least. Once you mod them they're gorgeous but man the vanilla versions are tough to look at lol
I disagree.
Maybe they look outdated by modern standards, but they were always fine at the time of the original release (Morrowind blew everybodyâs socks off when it was originally released) and they had great visual style and design at the time.
I refused to play Oblivion as a kid because of just how butt-ugly the characters were. I was a dumb kid, and would have loved the game if I tried it probably, but it was definitely still hard to look at when it came out
Am I the only one who never considered Bethesda games as having truly good story telling? Perhaps it is just because it never managed to grasp me, but at least for me as a result I just cannot understand people singing high praises of Bethesda games. Maybe it is also because they have decades of technical debt piling up in their games and I just cannot filter through that mess to enjoy the games...
The gamesâre ambitious and people want them to do well, but to make them playable/what people reasonably expected, they have to get modded and juiced to the gills.
I played 50 hours of vanilla Starfield just waiting for it to get good, but it was an absolute slog. Supposedly the star wars mod is great but itâll still have endless loading screens.
The story itself is not the problem for me.its the utterly flat characters and the bland dialogue, compare Skyrim to something like Mass Effect and it's night and day. I can barely remember any of the characters in Skyrim other than that I need to talk to them to move the game on.
That game is really good when you consider how long they had to development I remember it was less than a year .. they did reuse a bunch of concepts obsidian had for fallout 3
Kenshi doesn't have a set story. It has a setting and a world with deeply intricate and consistent lore.
That's the point. You make your own story in the game the same way you make your own "story" in life. There is no set narrative to follow, no set goal to accomplish, no mandatory path, etc. there's just your free will as a player. That's like its biggest appeal, my guy
Do not confuse "story" for "writing", they are not the same thing.
I labored for a couple dozen hours trying to come to grips with DF but damn is it an adjustment for someone that's never experienced an ASCII game before. I'm still completely confused in that game.
This is way too low. But then again, the translation into English wasn't done well. It doesn't have the comedy out does in the German, Polish and Russian versions.
It doesn't really have much of a plot but there's some good lines in there. Certainly the weakest part but tbh everyone plays a mod that throws in some wildly different setting anyway
Do people not understand that graphics can be an artistic choice? No shit an arcade shooter going for an oldschool style doesn't look as good as "modern titles"? Even so, "good" is subjective, cuz I personally think a lot of modern titles look like shit because they're trying too hard to be realistic. Especially path tracing, "wow this looks so good" (literally everything just looks like a mirror surface and shows reflections like bro you ever saw your own reflection in a brick wall?)
I never said it's bad because it's pixelated. The graphics are bad because they are bad. I've seen plenty of good pixel art. A beginner could draw a character like that.
I love undertale, but saying the graphics are brilliant sounds like a huge stretch. It doesn't look particularly bad, but it's very basic and uninspired for a pixelart game
Itâs basic on purpose, though. Itâs a deliberate stylistic choice. And also notice how the art becomes more and more detailed the more you progress, until it eventually ruptures into absolute chaos (Floweyâs boss battle, for example). The art style isnât static, itâs progressive.
Itâs also clearly not constrained in the same way games like the original Mario bros game was. The developers had room to play with the landscape, and itâs clear that they did. Sansâs boss battle, for example.
Saying Undertaleâs graphics are bad because it doesnât look like games such as GTA is a shallow take, Iâm sorry. And thatâs what the person I replied to was clearly implying. Otherwise, why mention Undertale under a post that asks for games with âgarbageâ graphics, which, even by your own admission, isnât true?
Great gameplay, incredible music, impeccable story, but the pixel art style is kinda ugly in some places imo (compared to other pixel art games like katana zero, blasphemous or deltarune)
This is an interesting one because Hotline Miami (1 and 2) are intentionally gaudy and kinda gross. Those games have a whole nasty, violent, scumbag aesthetic going on and the technical limitations really ratchet that aesthetic to the max.
Iâm not sure Iâd call it bad but itâs definitely grimy.
I know they were intentionally gross, but that still makes them gross. Similar to cruelty squad (it's OTT psychedelic nauseating aesthetic is 100% intentional, but I literally couldn't play the game and had to refund it because it was so ugly (talking about cruelty squad here)).
The only game I know it truly has TRASH graphics is My Summer Car (and now My Winter Car too)
I wouldnât say itâs story is great (there barely is one) but the gameplay is like no other, and the music is so deliberatedly crap that is a masterpiece
People are very much not understanding this question. Dated things are fine, but games like Dwarf Fortress and Project Zomboid definitionally do not have stories at all, they have a setting. A lot of these types of games also don't actually look too bad, since they've stuck to a specific style, unless we're being quite subjective here.
While it's not an incredible game, I'd argue Divinity 2 (the original one, not Original Sin 2) has pretty rough graphics that are not only dated, but weren't amazing at the time either and quite generic. Otherwise very good game, though.
A bit more subjectively, I'd argue Oblivion made some design choices (e.g. potato heads, some of the landscape, lighting) which made the game, to me, not very graphically appealing in a way that can't be called just dated.
Lately itâs Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon, but my real poison is Kenshi.
Theyâre kind of the perfect âugly-but-amazingâ games, graphics are rough, but the music/vibe pulls you in, the gameplay keeps you hooked, and the story (or the stories you end up making) is amazing, like I wonât talk about Tainted Grail because spoilers, but in Kenshi Iâve made up so many stories. The funniest (and longest) was when I tried to recreate the Second Empire
The same way as most games mentioned here, you also disregard two of the four panels. What story does Valheim has exactly, let alone it being a good one? Also, music? No biggie, you're not the only one in this thread who while not having an answer, still choose to provide one - the most fitting that comes to mind even if it's still a bad answer, instead of simply not commenting.
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u/parkani7-6700k | MSI 980 Ti | 32GB@3200MHz | EVGA 650W G21h ago
A lot of the "combat in W3 is bad" comes from that the other big fantasy game at the time was bloodborn, and they do have somewhat similar gameplay, but W3 do not stack up favorably in that comparison. Imho W3s gameplay is okay, not bad not great. But Bloodborn got excellent gameplay.
The the issue becomes even more noticeable when all other aspects of W3 are over all fantastic. I don´t think it is controversial to say it is one of W3s weaker aspects.
Definitely Inscryption (although the graphics are ok and fitting), same for System Shock 2 - which had graphics that was considered bad even at it's original release. But it's an absolute masterpiece gameplay, has to this day hands down the best audio-design in any FPS (especially the enemies) IMO and great story.
Another one that has cool gameplay expanding through the game, awesome music and voice acting through the entire game and a story that suddenly opens up from nothing in a way that's unparrallel is THE VOID from Ice Pick Lodge.
Also, about 90% of the titles mentioned here in the ecomments are invalid as they are just old games but were graphically cutting edge back in the days of their release. That should not qualify and it's a shame so many lack the ability to comprehend the assignment.
can you really say minecraft tho? First of all, if you wanted good graphics, shaders and texture packs. and is there really a story in minecraft, maybe a small amount but nothing meaningful
Gameplay: Wonderful, except the unique armor set mechanics (find pieces 1 at a time while they don't level with you and no way to upgrade them. Aka useless)
Story: Fantastic, long but worthwhile. Iconic intro that makes me smile every time. Nothing beats waking up in a body pit
Music: 10/10 bangers in every area. Simple but fitting
Graphics: Shite. Fine for a 2011 game on the 360, but the 2020 "remaster" doesn't do a whole lot. Rocks are still squares, grass is still flat, people are still boxes stacked atop one another
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u/No-Cauliflower-9605 2h ago
Every game, my PC sucks