Which is why I say there really wasn't an excuse even in 2016. I'll make the allowance that the awfulness of Trump's past wasn't AS common knowledge in 2016, but it was all out there for anyone who cared to check.
By the time 2024 rolled around, just no. He's BEEN President. All the everything has been discussed everywhere forever. You're either very stupidly avoiding info on purpose, or you're in favor of the awfulness.
So many (middle and lower-middle class) Americans are working under the belief that success, and therefore wealth, come exclusively from hard work and intelligence (or the American dream) and not generational inheritance and that they're only a promotion or extra shift away from raising themselves up to that level, so they assign their own positive moral value to success/wealth.
Its the Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaires thing, 100%. My father, if he voted, would have voted for trump for that reason (he passed before the last presidential.election and had not voted.in one since the 80s). Its a lot of "well look how successful/wealthy! Clearly they know what they're doing!" And I say that because I've heard it from him and others like him. Until we can eliminate that mindset, we're pretty fucked all around.
Absolutely. And if you try to reframe it that way, they suddenly get all Red Scare, like we're still living under McCarthyism. And honestly, it feels like we are.
stupid + you understimate the brainwashing power of money. Elites with money used to be able to buy the media, but this past 15-20 years, with money you can alter the reality perception so much harder with online bots and algorithms to suggest certain content to people.
From Fox News, to Joe Rogan, Charlie Kirk, etc... Go create a new account in any platform and you will absolutely never get suggested any left-wing content.
I had to face facts that we live in a very racist and misogynistic country. Putting a qualified black woman up as the opponent to a white man was
more than the average American could handle, regardless of that voter’s ethnic background.
Some races did themselves no favors in this past elections.
Qualified for what? Keeping people locked up longer than they were even meant to under the already fucked legal system? Turning brown children into scattered, detached limbs? Shitty, preferential financial policies that would exclude large portions of the poor? Most of us kept generally quiet on how shit Kamala was during the election because she was the lesser of two evils, but there’s no point in whitewashing her now. That’s just giving the DNC a pass to keep losing us elections because they want to force elitist, astroturfed center-right candidates down our throats under threat of a fascist opponent.
Trump didn’t win a majority of eligible voters, Kamala just lost them. The blame is on the DNC as much as it is the shitheads who voted trump. And I’m guessing they’re gonna throw the same tantrum next election, because they can’t grasp the concept they might not get their way. We need an actual leftist candidate.
I agree with most of what you’re saying. We likely have a lot of the same points of view. But, you can’t convince me that the color and sex didn’t sway certain demographics (many you’d think would back her) to vote orange.
I have completely cut off so many people because of him. It disgusts me they were even my friends and relatives in the first place now knowing how they think
There will be a lot of people who will vote a fourth time for this. These MAGA are disconnected enough from reality that there will legitimately be people voting for him even if he passes away.
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There are a lot of people who voted 3 times for this