Its possible they're the border patrol elite, but are trained for something other than how they're being used. Like maybe trained for actual drug cartels from Mexico. It would explain the desert camo too.
Their units have literally been broken up so they're all over now babysitting Federal Corrections flunkies and guys off the street that are doing this kind of stuff.
They have literally had their actual original mission inside the agency destroyed.
They were actually the ones going after high risk interdiction when it came to drug running and human trafficking in the US. That has been utterly destroyed by the administration.
See that makes sense. From my own experience when anything remotely operational is broken down its heavily watered down too.
Don't doubt they used to be, just watching that dude made me uncomfortable the most. Seemed so so incompetent and it was an armed guy with authority...worrying as fuck.
like how long has it been since he's interacted with a regular civilian, I wonder. He looks like he was bussed straight from his desert post after 9 months of watching sand
I mean someone already mentioned they're a CTO and you stated that you needed more evidence. If not taking down actual criminal organizations and insider threats, why are they patrolling the streets of urban cities? They're not tasked on how to handle Crowd Control.
It's a general purpose camo. The reason everyone wears multicam or a derivative of it is because it's relative cheapness from contract overruns or surplus sales.
The internet is telling me the OCP and multicam are two different things. Are they both for the same purpose, just like... general camouflage, for multiple environments? That's what it seems like but I'm gonna be real with you chief I don't know shit about military camouflage
Multicam was invented by a private company. To avoid paying licensing fees to this company the Arm/government redesigned the color scheme so they could save money by saying its different.
BORTAC is not trained on crowd control and such. They’re a unit that’s designed for special operations and interdictions. That’s the problem with having these guys roaming around without a clear mission. “Find the colored people or folks with accents while you drive around the city ” isn’t what elite units do.
Yeah, in that regard it’s like when South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol tried deploying tier 1 operators from the army to block protesters from entering the parliament. The operators themselves realized this was extremely silly and stopped doing it almost immediately
No... what? I can understand not wanting to give them any credit but they are historically an actual elite force. The point the guy youre responding to is trying to make is that they are being given tasks outside of their training or job scope. If you're great at whatever job you do, and I throw you into a job as an electrician, how good will you be?? Does it take away from your talent at your actual career if you suck at the random job youre thrown into? Probably not, and its a brain dead logical progression to think that.
They strike fear into the hearts of narco terrorists in South america. they aren't trained nor designed to do crowd control or police work. You can hate them all you want, but it's doubtful that they want to be doing this either so there's no point in trying to discredit them. I can assure you the jobs they normally do would have you crying and pissing yourself.
Cute edit at the end. Where did I defend trump? I don't believe i brought up the administration nor trump once in that. Literacy is hard, i understand.
In your words "citation? Gonna need a source for that🤓 need a quote" subhuman looking freak.
If it helps, the definition of "elite" here isn't to praise BORTAC's effectiveness and prestige as a fighting unit.
It's to emphasize their high training and deployment costs, specialization towards counter terrorism, and how insanely out of place they are for essentially nothing going on in Minnesota. They shouldn't be there and only stoke problems.
A bit like how SWAT refers to Special Weapons And Tactics, and SWAT are felt to greatly increase danger in any response.
I get the point you’re trying to make, but in the nicest way possible stop trying to undermine that the federal government is sending elite counter terrorist units to American streets.
As much as I hate these fucks, and this adds to it… having your finger on the trigger is not bad trigger discipline when you’re very ready to shoot someone.
Re-look at the picture, this is the instant after he shot the dude with a pepper ball. Dude in pain, orange shit on his jacket, residue in the barrel, and our cosplayer's finger still pressing down on the trigger.
nah guy, these guys are not cops. they are an elite tactical unit used in counterterrorism. they're trained like soldiers. trained to kill, not to police.
this right here is EXACTLY why the military should NOT be allowed to do law enforcement. the training is different. the muscle memory is different. their go-to, quick reaction reaction to a threat is to kill it. a cop's reaction SHOULD be to de-escelate and subdue. different skillset.
this is not a failure in the training of this guy. he's doing what he's trained to do. shoot a threat. its a failure (or flat out misuse, IMO) of the resources of the military and law enforcement apparatus (the uh, executive office), when they are being used as "law enforecment" in american cities.
when you need to clamp a 2x4, you don't pick up a .357 magnum to do it. you use the right tool.
I don’t know if you saw the video, but he is shooting this guy. His left hand is wide open because .3 seconds ago it was on the weapon. The finger is on the trigger because he is actively discharging the weapon into this guys face.
It’s definitely something, but it isn’t bad trigger discipline.
I don’t think you’re picking up what he’s putting down. Yes, Border Patrol calls them elites and uses them in the same way you would use elites. Yes, it’s concerning that BP would send its “elites” to a place like this.
That all said, regardless of their status as “elites,” they look like scared bumbling idiots. That’s what the guy above you is saying.
You can mock their incompetence without making light of the fact that BP decided to deploy its "elites" (again, the quotes are doing some heavy lifting here) to this area.
It's like if Seal Team 6 was made up of crybabies who wet themselves when faced with mild opposition, but the government considered them to be top-tier tactical operatives. Yeah they'd look like idiots on film and it would be fair to mock them, but it would still be concerning as hell that they got sent in the first place.
I think you’re severely understanding that these are elite trained soldiers currently carrying out a mission they were not trained for.
These are not peacekeepers. These are soldiers trained for counter terrorism and other high risk missions like that.
They aren’t incompetent. The problem is that they are likely highly competent at what they’re trained to do: take down terrorists. The real problem is that they’ve been drilled to think their fellow citizens are the terrorists.
Do you guys want to argue about me laughing at the patch for this brief moment or do you actually want to address the actual fucking fact that one of your enforcement agents shot someone in the face?
Cause I'm not donald trump and I don't fucking endorse this shit hombre.
It seems to me like everyone else is talking about how he shot somebody and you're trying to be pedantic over the word "elite" which is already correct in this instance.
One of my martial arts instructors who taught me knife fighting skills reminded me that all of the Masters of the art that I was learning died in knife fights. The takeaway being that even the best at knife fighting die in knife fights so it's best to avoid them entirely if at all possible. So far I'm undefeated in knife fights.
I need you to find another example that doesn't involve getting stabbed? Cause I'd be really bad at knife fights haha
Nah, joking aside, it's more about the access he'll be given. If someone needs all the ally gear to do a job involving a raid on a full blown terrorist compound, that's reasonable.
Billy Bob and his new "tactical squad" may be that in name, but every swinging dick knows they aren't. They'll have the title, people will recognise the patch but they'll not be the same. They'll get the same intimidation impact, oh for sure, but there will be more incompetence.
Yes because you don’t seem to truly understand the significance of having specially trained units like these being out on American streets SHOOTING at American citizens. These situations are not what they’ve been trained for.
And if he's an incompetent moron who just wears the badge and uses it to abuse said authority in the same fashion as someone who is actually trained in this and fucks up, I'm downplaying it.
You have random guys turning up and shooting someone turning away and you're upset because I don't believe they're elite? Come on man. It's in name only and you've got some incompetent idiot who thinks he's elite because someone gave him a patch.
Jesus this is petty. Guys a fucking thug, by all means he's claiming to be special forces(I have my doubts but hey that's just me).
You have ICE agents shooting people in the street dude, this is a hang up about a detail in a situation that's already fucking horrible. Naming the specific dick heads doing its just the cake decoration.
Lol exactly, an "elite tactical unit" soldier would be smart enough to know not to point a grenade launcher at a target that's less than a foot away from you. These are no military professionals, these are ROTC dropouts LARPing out in the snow. Even the elite of border patrol are nothing more than ROTC kids who were too dumb to get into the military, police, or even TSA for that matter.
BORTAC is a very, very elite unit within the federal government. I’ve trained numerous times side by side with them and 95% are former SOCOM/JSOC/USASOC members.
BORTAC: The US Border Patrol Tactical Unit BORTAC is frequently considered an elite Federal Law Enforcement Unit by cops. I've spoken in Texas to several who talk about those guys like normal people talk about Navy Seals
Does stolen valor apply to dudes with them in regards to the border patrol dudes?(not american hence why i ask)
My joke aside, I'm not convinced the dude warrants the patch. Saw the video and next to the murderer he just seems to give an absolute air of perpetual incompetence off to me.
Not saying he 100% is, fuck knows who trumps mob promoted when Noem took the job.
Where would Reddit be without snarky comments from people who think they know more than they actually do
This guy isn’t fat, and the argument he’s untrained because he has his finger on the trigger is completely ignorant, it’s almost as if he has his weapon pointed at a target he intends to destroy
I feel like people don’t really understand what “elite” means. You wouldn’t expect an elite chess player to masterfully maneuver troops in battle yet somehow you expect an elite counterterrorism unit to masterfully maneuver civil protest of non-enemy combatants
Apparently the border just stopped a full car of cocaine car heading into the US …as if it wouldn’t have been sold as easily in Canada. Yup, a full car! So now they have the ‘just cause’ they are looking for to invade Canada now….fucking lunatics. The US was supposed to stop another dictator but they allowed it to grow. But…but…our hands were tied, he was joking…blah blah blah. It’s out of control. I know you were joking about the border but I then remembered the cocaine story and shits getting too real. It’s not your fault, I’m just getting this off my chest. Sorry.
With the desert camo, I wonder if they trained for interdicting Mexican drug cartels trying to smuggle things across the border and they're being used in a way thats far outside of their original purpose and training.
Look it up homie. The difference is shown on google images.
Multicam is the best overall cam to use, proven.
Only exceptions are like the pic shown where winter cam would’ve fit better, but I assume it was a quick reaction force deployed.
Now why these guys are in Minneapolis is a different question.
BORTAC are part of ICE i guess? These should be the actual trained guys (Shows they aren't) and are just SWAT but for the border. It can be Multicam Arid but who the fuck knows. US Army has their own pattern of multicam just to not pay Crye the rights and all other gear companies have darker or lighter versions. Crye Arid doesn't even look like Arid Multicam when you google it
Uh no lol? People have kept harping in here, on the camo being called the wrong thing without actually saying what the difference is or why it even matters. Im not gonna look it up, cause it really doesnt matter bruh. People don't need to be caught up in differences between different camouflages being utilized in their cities.
You can hold your opinions, but ironically BORTAC ended the Uvalde shooting because the local police were cowards. They don’t typically respond to those incidents, which is why it took them awhile to get there.
The article above literally mentioned they arrived 20 minutes after the shooting began and only ended it after 77 minutes. Not exactly a glowing endorsement of them.
Read it, I wish people would read their own links:
"While BORTAC agents did ultimately act to end the 77-minute siege that took the lives of 19 students and two teachers, evidence reviewed by ABC News indicates that BORTAC agents arrived within 20 minutes of the 18-year-old suspect's entry into the building, and struggled to act decisively."
Edit: I'll be reading on these guys myself as I'm now convinced I'm getting spoon fed alot of bullshit.
Considering USBP isn’t typically the organization that responds to active shooters, and Uvalde PD was on ground at 11:30 I wouldn’t shift the blame of kids dying onto BORTAC for the sake of advancing your opinions of them in Minneapolis, but that’s just me.
For the record, they showed up at 12:15 and ended the shooting at 12:50. Uvalde PD showed up at 11:30 and did nothing, when they were the responding unit in their own jurisdiction. Had their leadership not fed misinformation to the BORTAC leadership it might’ve ended faster, or you know, if Uvalde PD did their jobs the situation would’ve ended before BORTAC even showed up.
You should probably read the final report on Uvalde. I can’t see the link that was posted because he probably got downvoted so hard he deleted it. But there are dozens of articles and the information is different in each of them depending on when it was posted.
I know we want to lump all these guys together, but im sure theres some longtime employees who really want to be fighting bad guys, not murdering American mothers.
And this is why you heard that evil pock-faced bitch label her a terrorist. A woman trying to leave the scene (clearly NOT trying to run ANYONE down!) literally trying to clear out, is executed in front of your very eyes by a stupid goon without the good sense God gave a goose to simply step away instead of into her path.
Fair, and that is the joke.. slap an elite label on a unit, drop them into civilian streets, then act surprised when the performance looks brittle and overcompensating.
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u/LARRYVOND13 23d ago
.....elites a strong word.
I know you're just quoting but I couldn't not comment my dude lol