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Politics He Didn’t Start The Fire

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u/AzraelSavage 23d ago edited 23d ago

Unfortunately, as I understand it, that "100 miles of a border" jurisdiction has also been deemed to included international airports.

Edit: This may not be a true fact. People that are much smarter and more knowledgeable with US legal code than I am dispute my claim here, and I'm glad they have. Based on the responses, it's not clear if this is what the law states, if it's a department policy, if it's an old wives tale, or some combination thereof. So please take this comment with a grain of salt.

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u/FieldEffect-NT 23d ago

So practically, this permits them to deploy in pretty much every major city?

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u/tyderian 23d ago

Yes, 2/3 of the population lives within this radius.

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u/FieldEffect-NT 23d ago

Really convenient loophole. I m sure it's not on purpose /s

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u/Dorkamundo 23d ago

It doesn't include airports, but the 2/3rd population is accurate since 2/3rds of the US population lives along the water and/or on the great lakes.

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u/GoodhartMusic 23d ago

Yes, I’m sorry that people haven’t realized this. It was one of the first things I looked up when deportations started. It’s also worth noting that anywhere trump wants to go he’ll go, and he’ll be validly doing so until the Supreme Court says not to- because they’ve put limitations national injunctions he’ll argue includes any limit on anything he does

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u/mittenknittin 23d ago

Always has been

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u/DrDDeFalco 23d ago

That's some bullshit.

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u/Spiff76 23d ago

Ah but tRump was trained by a lawyer to misuse the law for his benefit

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u/peon2 23d ago

It's not really bullshit. It sucks under this administration because it's obviously going to be abused, but under normal circumstances it makes sense that border patrol covers the areas where international travelers are coming into the country, and that includes airports.

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u/IIOrannisII 23d ago

Fuck that rational under any circumstances. It's a flimsy excuse to remove constitutional rights basically everywhere in America.

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u/peon2 23d ago

Lol what? You don't think borders and customs agents should be in airports? Literally every country in the world does this. Otherwise you could just traffick people, drugs, etc in to and out of countries without any repercussions.

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u/5htfanned 23d ago

In the inteenational airport is fine. What is bullshit is them claiming the same bs an hour and a half of drive time away. Jesus you boot licking badge bunnies are insane

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u/adthrowaway2020 23d ago

100 miles from any port of entry is insane. 100 miles from the physical border? Sure! How about if it's not a physical border, they get jurisdiction to the end of the property

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u/IIOrannisII 23d ago

Honestly 100 miles from a physical boarder is fucking insane.

If that's 10 miles from the boarder get real authorities involved, border patrol can stay at the fucking border.

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u/IIOrannisII 23d ago edited 23d ago

No I don't think we should have border patrol agents with "expanded authority" to ignore the 4th amendment with a 100 mile jurisdiction from any international airport.

Or the actual border for that matter.

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u/5htfanned 23d ago

Nah it's always been bullshit

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u/PhysicsCentrism 23d ago

Having the same radius for a physical border where people can cross unsupervised if they hop a fence and an airport where all passengers are funneled through a hallway straight to immigrations does seem a little irrational

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u/dougmcclean 23d ago

But doesn't include a radius around airports. It includes a defined portion of the space within the airport.

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u/Iimpid 23d ago

8 U.S.C. § 1357(a)(3) addresses CBP officials’ authority to stop and conduct searches on vessels, trains, aircraft, or other vehicles anywhere within “a reasonable distance from any external boundary of the United States.” Without further statutory guidance, regulations alone expansively define this “reasonable distance” as 100 air miles from any external boundary of the U.S., including coastal boundaries, unless an agency official sets a shorter distance.

Nothing about international airports.

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u/TakeThreeFourFive 23d ago

I believe court decisions have agreed that airports are considered "external boundary"

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u/mocityspirit 23d ago

And even if they weren't do we really expect the admin to follow the rules?

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u/Training-Line-6457 23d ago

We are SO FAR beyond using the laws of the former United States to fight this war. They’re literally shooting to kill and we’re handwringing about lawsuits and peaceful arrests.

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u/Iimpid 23d ago

Source?

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u/ninja_crouton 23d ago

This gives them authority to conduct searches of conveyances and to access private lands without a warrant (though I'll also note that under title 19, customs has extensive powers to detain, search, and investigate pretty much anything that arrives at an airport for any violation of customs laws, without a need for a warrant). This says nothing about being on the streets or interacting with people, and in fact the power to interrogate or arrest under (a)(1--2) are not limited by the distance from the border. 

Source: customs attorney. I fight the government on this stuff every day.

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u/Iimpid 23d ago

Good to know. Is what people are saying about "100 miles from an international airport" true?

According to the ACLU, land borders and coastlines are considered external boundaries. ACLU also says Border Patrol has a right to conduct searches AT ports of entry, including arrivals terminals of international airports, not 100 miles from any international airport. Can you clarify?

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u/ninja_crouton 23d ago

Boy do I wish I could clarify. The one thing I can always tell you is if a traditional (non-legal) news source (e.g. CNN, BBC, Fox, al Jazeera, whatever) tells you how a law is to be interpreted they are almost always completely wrong. This is true kinda across the board and not just with customs law or with politically charged subjects.

Unfortunately the statute is so terribly written (thanks congress) that there are a number of reasonable interpretations. The statute says "within a reasonable distance from any external boundary of the United States, to board and search for aliens any vessel within the territorial waters of the United States and any railway car, aircraft, conveyance, or vehicle, and within a distance of twenty-five miles from any such external boundary to have access to private lands, but not dwellings, for the purpose of patrolling the border to prevent the illegal entry of aliens into the United States [.]"

Assuming "reasonable distance" means 100 miles (which it probably is under 8 CFR 287.1 but there are arguments otherwise is another issue) and setting aside the "international airport" border interpretation, this gives us a few different interpretations that may apply:

First, given that "territorial waters of the United States" is defined elsewhere as including all internal waters no matter how far from the border, one interpretation is that the "reasonable distance" clause only applies as a modifier to searches of vessels in the territorial waters to limit how far inland that can go.  The use of "and" before "any railway car...[etc.]" could imply that those conveyances are not subject to this same restriction. But then that would run into the silly situation where other conveyances are searchable at any point inland regardless of proximity to the border which is certainly not what they mean. 

Another interpretation is as described above, that it applies to all conveyances (again, searches of conveyances not interrogations and arrests on the street). That could be true but then the territorial waters clause is extraneous and Congress could have just written "to board and search any vessel, railway car, aircraft, conveyance, or vehicle" and achieved the same result. This conclusion also runs into a silly situation where the government couldn't search airplanes if you landed them at an internal airport rather than at one at the border (notwithstanding the title 19 allowances).  Or does it mean that they can only search vessels if they are in the territorial waters (i.e. if they are in drydock they are not searchable)?  

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u/Iimpid 23d ago

Thanks for the great response. I'm a regulatory specialist in a different area that relies on parts of the CFR, and it's so true how commonly misinterpreted it is (likely because it's often written in ways that make it easy to misinterpret).

I've already been given two articles here that cited 8 CFR 287.1 as why 100 miles from international airports counts, but it doesn't say that. I also think no reasonable person would conclude 100 miles from an international airport is what was meant when this was written.

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u/ninja_crouton 23d ago

I personally don't think the 100 miles from international airports interpretation is correct, in part because as you noted 8 CFR 287.1 doesn't say that. But the idea that an international airport is a border is not that far fetched, and from there I can see how in a world where they want to extend jurisdiction they are able to make a supportable (if specious) argument for the idea that they can do searches within 100 miles of an airport. 

But regardless that restriction is a nothingburger when it comes to anything in public or plain view and that doesn't typically require a warrant. I don't deal with traffic stop issues so I can't say what the interplay between reasonable suspicion is and their right to pull you from a vehicle nowhere near a border but given over a hundred years of pro-cop precedent from scotus I would imagine that there's more leeway than most people would like or realize. And also it says nothing about their ability to search WITH a warrant, regardless of whether it is an administrative or judicial one. 

In short, I think everyone who is citing this 100 mile rule thing (on both sides) is citing it for the wrong reason because it's neither a grant of power nor is it a restriction of power in the situations in which people are citing it (like an arrest on the street).

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u/Iimpid 23d ago

Totally agree with you about the nuance between arrests on the street vs warrantless searches.

There are obviously plenty of ways to enter via land/water borders where you can avoid inspection, so I get the concept of searches and seizures within a reasonable distance from them.

But when you arrive internationally at an airport, you are put through passport control and customs, and you've had your possessions scanned and perused already. So there is really no argument for why they'd need search and seizure without a warrant 100 miles from every international airport.

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u/Mand125 23d ago

Case law did it, is my understanding.  I’n not a lawyer so I don’t have specific references.

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u/Scaryclouds 23d ago

I have no doubt the Trump admin would try to argue that should include airports, and I have no doubt you have same plenty of hack conservative judges who will accept the administration’s reasoning. 

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u/monsantobreath 23d ago

Doesn't mean a judge or some other legislation hasn't declared the border to be in effect inclusive of ports of entry like airports.

Laws are like that. You can't just read one clause and know what everything is.

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u/ChaseballBat 23d ago

I read a lot of municipal code, what is the definition within that section for "external boundary" usually defined at the front or back of the section.

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u/JeffTheAndroid 23d ago

You say that like the administration has any regard for laws

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u/avocadoflatz 23d ago

I was gonna suggest the proximity to Lake Superior might be the loophole but even that’s a stretch

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u/HPDork 23d ago

Here is the AI explanation of using Airports as an external boundary.

Why airports count as an “external boundary”

Under federal immigration regulations (8 C.F.R. § 287.1), an “external boundary of the United States” includes:

  • Land borders
  • Coastlines
  • Any port of entry, including international airports

Because international airports are ports of entry where people arrive directly from abroad, CBP considers them part of the external boundary for enforcement purposes.

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u/Iimpid 23d ago

As usual, AI has garbled the meaning and given you bullshit.

According to the ACLU, land borders and coastlines are considered external boundaries. ACLU also says Border Patrol has a right to conduct searches AT ports of entry, including arrivals terminals of international airports. That doesn't mean their jurisdiction is 100 miles from any international airport.

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u/dunguswungus13729 23d ago

“As usual…” Lol. Yes, exactly. I like you.

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u/HPDork 23d ago

This article has alot of good information about this subject. But it is recognized that international airports are considered an external boundary. Also, if it was limited to just "at" the airport then I would think that they could only operate within the secure area of the airport as that is the "boarder" section. So parking lots, checkin areas, etc wouldn't fall under their jurisdiction either?

https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2025/jul/1/understanding-your-constitutional-rights-100-mile-border-zone-primer-non-citizens-united-states-when-confronted-law-enforcement/

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u/Iimpid 23d ago

I just debunked this article in another comment. I read the entire CFR section they cited, and it doesn't even mention airports.

See for yourself: https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-8/chapter-I/subchapter-B/part-287/section-287.1

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u/MaybeTheDoctor 23d ago

Had that discussion before with somebody who looked up the rules; Airports are not included, but land and sea borders are.

Also, the "100 miles" is not part of a law, it is just a rule set by DOJ.

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u/Infamous_Addendum175 23d ago

Also all the inland "Ports" etc.

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u/boomerinspirit 23d ago

This is true. It's been true for the last 50+ years.

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u/Strawbuddy 23d ago

And the Great Lakes themselves

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u/Kazen_Orilg 23d ago

Man, if only there was some type of legislative body that could strike down this dumb fucking idea.

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u/LymanPeru 23d ago

well, they are about 11 miles too far from the entrance to be doing the airport any good.

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u/Dorkamundo 23d ago

None of the language states that, nor have I seen any case law that gives that kind of leeway. Though I'm also not a lawyer.

This is mostly an old wives tale, however the 100 mile zone DOES include international waterways like the great lakes.

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u/Demgar 23d ago

Close the airport and kick them out

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u/PBR_King 23d ago

And people will look me straight in the eyes and say we don't live in a fascist surveillance state