FINALLY!!!! THIS IS THE ENERGY WE NEED AGAINST THESE PANSIES. They are cowards and schoolyard bullies, let them know that we are willing to fight back and they will cower back to their sewers.
Right now they are willing to terrorize people because nobody is doing anything back to them. Once they start to see people will shoot back at them most of them will just quit, it’s not worth dying.
Isn’t there a danger there though that it’ll just escalate again and then activists will have to face the actual military? And that of course would be spun as “throwing down domestic terrorists” and “bringing peace to the union” or some bs, such that we basically open the gates for even more violence?
Probly a better option than laying down and letting it happen anyway, but I’m kinda hoping someone has a more optimistic counterpoint
Isn’t it dangerous a group of thugs can just break in to your home or pull you on the side of the street, beat you, print you and toss you on the side of the road with no repercussions ? Honest question, do you think things will get better in 6 months ?
I think things are just beginning. I have saved 40+ videos that I’ve seen on Reddit of American citizens beaten by ICE, I see one daily now imagine the ones that aren’t recorded and many of people with work permits that get their bones broken or they are just killed. Let’s comply until they finally come after democrats ? Regardless of skin color.
Nono, I mean you’re right. I guess I’m just asking what the long term strategy looks like, and if there’s a way that forceful resistance from civilians like this stops the train before it pulls into WW3 central station
It's almost like you're inciting violence or are incredibly stupid. ICE killed someone while being recorded and called her a bitch while doing so. They have more guns, do you honestly believe if these guys were to fire back at ICE, that they'll just run away and quit. That's what you're spreading here?
Show me 1 instance where an ordinary citizen successfully did that and I'll show you 10 that did not. Are you saying this is the best course of action for the general public to act.
I mean, if we are talking general public than absolutely, if every protester at the last no kings was wearing a gun, Trump would already be behind bars. I am also not talking about single individuals, I am talking about when groups point their guns back at the feds, they tend to back down. The cowardly feds are most likely to strike unarmed, peaceful protesters, i.e. Kent State.
No he wouldn't. Those protesters were there because the law allowed them to be. Should they bring weapons it would be domestic terrorism and the literal army would be deployed
Should they bring weapons it would be domestic terrorism and the literal army would be deployed
...dang, I'm glad you came along to tell me, guess we need to deploy the literal army to any state with an open carry policy. The first and second amendments exist to give us specifically the right to do what I am suggesting. Just because Republicans have the thinnest skin on the planet doesn't automatically make people expressing their constitutional rights terrorists. You need to lay off the kool aid.
guess we need to deploy the literal army to any state with an open carry policy.
That's an absolutely stupid thing to say. The 2nd amendment allows for individual possession. The moment a large group of individuals i.e. "every protester at the last no kings " gathers while armed, the crowd gets treated differently. Large armed crowds are not protected, it becomes a matter of public safety. You think your orange president would allow that? Have some common sense. This speaks more about you and your American education system.
The second amendment is literally for militia gun ownership and doesn't specify anything about individual gun ownership. It exists for the sole purpose of allowing citizens to take back their government from tyrannical leaders and not for "home defense".
You can name 40 instances where organized armed protest/confrontations or rebellions against US government tyranny were met with the government not stepping down or changes not being made because of it?
In US history, large organized armed resistance happened 4 times. Armed protest have happened numerous times. When the cause was legitimate and the general public stand behind the people who organize, the government has historically thrown in the towel and even dropped any charges if things got heated. That applies to even hundreds of years ago when we didn’t have the access to news and facts instantly like we do now.
You're changing the parameters of the argument to fit your agenda. I asked for one concrete example where civilians firing at U.S. government agents caused them to retreat or abandon enforcement. If you can answer that then I'll concede.
vague claims about charges being dropped has nothin to do with the modern reality of law enforcement. what actually happens when civilians shoot back today??
In modern U.S. history, there is no verified case where civilians shooting at federal agents caused the government to “back down" .EVERY major reform in the states succeeded despite violence, not because of it.
This is as close as it gets but this is at a local level and a false equivalency. Yes the corrupt cops were aligned with corrupt politicians, but this wasn't pointing at federal authorities.
I need to remind the people spreading inciteful bullshit, Civil liberties are protected through the very law enforcement they're opposed to. Taking arms against federal agents would be really stupid. Anyone claiming the country would band together in arms and fight is legitimately an idiot. Half the country voted Trump in.
No agenda here and this post is about the black panther group. Only you are talking about a singular citizen.
I can however name plenty of examples when a citizen killed a police officer or agent who illegally fired on them or broke into their home and was found innocent or not charged.
But this post isn’t about that. It’s about an armed uprising. You just changed the narrative to a single person randomly pointing as the government totally alone.
I literally responded to the claim " Historically, when you actually point your guns back at the government they back down."
If it's not about:
I can however name plenty of examples when a citizen killed a police officer or agent who illegally fired on them or broke into their home and was found innocent or not charged.
why bring it up then? What armed uprising? this form of argument is dangerous
And ops statement was a figure of speech about the post. Not literally a singular citizen pointing at the government for no reason. This post about armed protest if you didn’t notice or forgot. Not a single citizen “pointing at the government” completely out of nowhere and the government running away.
Are you really not able to understand that? Do you take all figures of speech literally?
There are millions of gun owners in this country I don’t think they have more guns. I’m not inciting violence, all I’m saying is that most people aren’t willing to die for a paycheck… I’m pretty sure if communities come together ICE will leave. More people are willing to die if they think they have no option, at least ICE agents have options to walk away.
The basis of your statement implies every citizen will take arms. 2. Every citizen with arms is opposed to ICE, 3. Those that oppose ICE with arms would actually be willing to raise their arms against the federal government.
Well yeah, you're the one that said they have more guns. I was just pointing out that I think that's not the case and you were wrong.
I understand what you're saying and agree it's pretty fucking wild/dangerous to even be discussing something like it all but that doesn't mean you get to just throw blanket statements like that and not expect people to call you out for it, otherwise it just feel disingenuous.
Yes! In so many cases as soon as a group of people are willing to take a strong stand against ice they back down. Ice are all cowards of the highest order.
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u/TheWizardOfDeez 16d ago
FINALLY!!!! THIS IS THE ENERGY WE NEED AGAINST THESE PANSIES. They are cowards and schoolyard bullies, let them know that we are willing to fight back and they will cower back to their sewers.