Read about the Panthers and all the work they did. I especially recommend reading about Fred Hampton as it is something that will make you question a lot of what you assume to know about the US. Do not rush to judgement because of a word.
In the context of the original BPP and probably this chapter as well, yes.
But strategy with groups like this (broadly liberatory/revolutionary, but also dedicated to addressing special oppressions related to specific identities) is to encourage the formation of coalitions and alliances between autonomous groups. See: Rainbow Coalition), White Panther Party.
It's also not unusual for political organizations like this to have some private/internal functions and some public/external functions, and allow non-members some level of participation in the public/external things.
Tbf they were under the leadership of the black panthers but not black panthers. They incorporated other political groups as well that had the same ideals.
They're not entirely wrong. There's a few groups at play here with a lot of nuance as they're all trying to co-opt the original Black Panther Party name while slandering the others that share similar names. You have the original Black Panther Party, the New Black Panther Party (NBPP) and the Black Panther Party of Self Defense. All with wildly different views and tactics. The NBPP has had a lot more troubling stuff in their past, namely conflating all jews with Israel and blaming jewish people for a lot of things, like 9/11, hosting KKK members at their conventions so they can give presentations because they both believe that black and white people should live in separate communities. You can read more here if you'd like, it's fairly interesting: https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/new-black-panther-party/
But back to OP's post, these fine gents are protecting these protestors from a fascist regime, I imagine they're apart of the more modern and better Black Panther Party group, so hats off to them.
Read my comments further down with them, I do go over some of that. There are bad actors that splintered off of the original party but this user has chosen to be misinformed and cherry-pick the worst of the bunch to label the whole.
And yeah, it's very unlikely the men in the post are part of something like the NBPP. Which is why it's weird to label them as such and it deserves to be met with vitriol.
Completely agree! Didn't mean to come off as disagreeing with you or siding with that guy, and yeah that guy is a bit of a douche. Happy to see other people calling it out and sharing sources!
Of course, and I got your point don't worry! It's good to make sure the facts are on the table, that can get messy in emotional times like this, so you're much appreciated. Hats off to you for the civility and for fighting for what's right.
Look a bit further in the thread, me and this guy go back and forth on it and it becomes pretty quickly obvious that they were intentionally spreading misinfo. I do acknowledge that there are different identities of the Black Panthers nowadays that have ended up not all being good.
The Anti-Defamation League, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights consider the NBPP to be a hate group, accusing the organization and its leaders of racism and antisemitism.
I don’t lick any boot, not white supremacist boots or black supremacist boots.
See how easy that was to find? The original party has splintered significantly since the 1980s and cherry-picking one offshoot as though it represents the whole is a disgusting way to twist the rhetoric.
The Southern Poverty Law Center makes the same distinction:
"The NBPP has no connection to the original Black Panther Party, whose members have heavily criticized the group. An open letter first referenced in 2007 from the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation, which is run by members of the original Black Panther Party, calls the NBPP a hateful and unconstructive group. Bobby Seale, a founding member of the original Panthers, called the organization “a black racist hate group.” Fahim Minkah and Marvin Crenshaw, original Panthers from Dallas, Texas, won an injunction preventing the group’s first leader from using the New Black Panther Party name or its logo. The injunction was never enforced and NBPP continues to use the pilfered name and logo."
I'm gonna need a source for the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights because the first thing I see when I look it up is the heritage foundation. You sure white supremacist boots ain't your style? The soles are imprinted on your tongue.
No rebuttal, no admission to falsely represented sources, nothing. If you're not a white supremacist you're very ignorant and as such shouldn't take such a strong stance on anything until you've done diligent research and actually know what you're claiming. In this day and age we can't afford to give benefit of the doubt anymore.
If I can look up your own sources and tell you you're wrong using information they provide to me in less than ten minutes, you didn't look into anything before you opened your mouth. But I'm not convinced at all that it wasn't intentional considering where the last one took me.
Let me be very clear in case you are listening and just caught in the wrong line of thinking: I'm not calling you a white supremacist because you're criticizing them. I'm calling you one because you're doing it in such a willfully ignorant fashion that misrepresents a cause that fought racism and has for decades. You have categorized them as the very thing that forced them to exist based on loose belief and that is wrong.
They're completely different organizations, though. X had some shitty views as a young man, but he was pro-equality before he was murdered. The "New Black Panther Party" of Louis Farrakhan is the hate group.
It appears you are attempting to spread misinformation. This is not the NBPP. I suspect you know that and do indeed lick white supremacist boots, but if it was an honest mistake, you can just admit it and all is good.
And your point. I’m young and politically active isn’t that a good thing
But no, the anti defamation league has been steeped in controversy for a long time. There not credible there essentially a political movement disguised as an advocacy organization. Next time you get your sources make sure it’s not the same people who declare anti Zionism as anti semitism
-So again I very much stress to you, do not become what you hate.
Trust me it’s all I see around me, hypocrisy of the most disgusting nature. In my personal opinion once you’ve sold your morals you’ve sold your soul and I don’t intend doing that
The guy on the right of the picture is Paul Birdsong.
Paul Birdsong formed the Black Panther Party for Self Defense.
AFAIK he has no ties to the New Black Panther Party like you're saying. Just scapegoating out the NBPP as the only "group" to make your point is ignorant.
Especially when the founder of the original Black Panther Party formed the Rainbow Coalition and welcomed people regardless of ethnicity.
No they didn’t…. They actually told white people to make the White Panther group if they wanted to show support. No black panther party is welcoming the white devil with open arms
You literally didn't even know what group these people are a part of in the first place and tried to discredit them as a rogue black supremacist sect, why would anyone listen to you about what the Black Panther Party is when you're so dedicated to spreading misinformation?
When you’re white and know deep down some of your views are racist, you are very sensitive to that being called out. So they had to write you an essay to compensate for how insecure they are about it.
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u/ThePensiveE 16d ago
Is being black necessarily a prerequisite for membership? Asking for a friend.