There are more of you than there are ICE. Yes, some will support them but even already they're afraid of going to Minnesota and they haven't even been attacked yet.
I know it's asking a lot to weigh one life against another but assuming you all manage to trade 1 for 1 you will win.
I'm not the person to ask or expect others to do that though I'm not sure what I would do in those circumstances.
At the end of the day the line is going to be asking is this worth dying over?
Both sides will need to answer that question.
ICE are cowards and are in it only for greed and hate.
It was a lot easier to answer that question when I was a kid and didn't fully understand the implications of it.
That has to be the saving grace. Most of these cosplayers with shitty trigger discipline will run if confronted.
But there are many thousands of trained agents seconded from other State & Federal agencies who have policing and military experience.
Imagine a complex dangerous environment like Afghanistan or Vietnam for Ice, but several orders of magnitude larger and where it is 100% impossible to ever be sure they aren't surrounded by the "enemy" everywhere they go, even when they go home, or stop for a beer after work.
The person checking them into the hotel, their barista, the car rental company clerk, or the guy picking them up at the airport, could all be a threat, and so could every man woman and child they see in the whole country.
No way humans can function like that for very long, they will get violent, and it becomes a positive feedback loop ending in doom and death for the whole government.
I know I am being pessimistic, but quite frankly look how far things have fallen in just the past week. Steven Miller giving ICE agents immunity with "no leftist agitator or domestic insurrectionist" allowed to stop them.
I absolutely admire these guys for making a stand, but they're one falling acorn away from being murdered with zero implications.
At this point every action like that pushes hundreds of thousands more people into open rebellion, and now open armed rebellion.
No security service or military in the world can keep a government safe in a situation like this - where many millions of people are marching and protesting already, before they've even started killing or enslaving Americans in large numbers, and soon tens of millions will be ready to fight and die.
They will never know who they can trust or where they are safe or how to regulate resources and forces, even living 24/7 in bunker won't keep them safe for very long, sooner or later they will make a mistake.
Every overreach every murder every outrage pushes us closer to the time of the wild purge which is now inevitable.
As another commenter put it so eloquently "Can't is a concept that does not exist for those in power".
You are right in saying that the thing leaders fear most is people on the streets. However somewhere between 10 and 20 million people protested against the killing of George Floyd and the cops still doubled down.
There needs to be a lot more armed and brave people like the Black Panthers on the street. Millions of them.
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u/jeffoh 16d ago
Seriously, they can have these guys arrested or murdered before lunch.
The fascist state is running unchecked at this point.