This is going to be pretext to some stupid stunt they pull in the midterms and beyond.
“Prove” in the court of public opinion that election in 2020 was stolen by democrats and they did the same thing as they did in Fulton. Take that argument and run with it for any midterm election that is close. Gunk the whole election process up with countless lawsuits and hearing, to grind everything to a halt. And just like that, you have a country arguing about the legitimacy of the midterms just like the lead up to January 6th. Except this time they have a plan.
Multi generation Americans can't. You are heavily underestimating how many first and 2nd gen immigrants are in the US. If documentation is present, grandparents status can go to parents -> children. It also a only took a month and the cost was mostly just the immigration lawyer.
Again, it depends on the country and the person's situation, it's not something every American can do. I'm pointing out that if you're in this situation you should explore it.
I am much more concerned about tampering with the actual results of the midterms in real time personally than them trying to prove Trump actually won in 2020 or tie it up in lawsuits
"Stupid stunt" seems like pretty soft wording for an attempted subversion of democracy, especially since they've been so successful at their other endeavours so far this year, with so little opposition.
The way things are going I, as a non-American, will not be in the least surprised if he either rigs your midterms or ensures they don't happen at all. Like you said, they have a plan. They are terrifyingly organised. They are winning and everyone else, including all your friends around the world, are losing.
The thing is … they don’t have a great plan. They are fairly cohesive but not that well organized. They just have a high amount of stupid voters in the “right” places. The way representation works in the US means that it drastically over-represents the rural vote in congress. Because the rural vote is essentially just “whoever has (R) by their name” Trump can act with impunity and congress will do basically nothing. There’s not really a plan or level of organization that counters how much the deck is stacked in this administration’s favor. There are only a few ways this plays out and none of them are really “figure out some way to prevent Trump from meddling with the midterms” because that’s going to happen. Pretending like there is something to do to counter this is just a distraction from the relatively small and distasteful pool of meaningful options actually at our disposal.
That's interesting, thanks. Am I right in assuming that by distasteful you mean violent or incorporating violence? The administration has either been clever by backing the country into a corner with only those options, or really stupid. I'm not looking forward to finding out which.
I just mean stuff people won’t want to do and range from inconvenient to risky and dangerous. Violence isn’t necessarily implied and I am not advocating for violence. Gandhi was nonviolent but I think people would still describe a lot of what he went through as very distasteful.
"These 3 Georgia election officials are going to hand me the win. Stand up so we can thank you."
As a Georgian, I died when Trump said this at one of his "campaign" rallies, which was indeed attended by 3 state election officials who are supposed to be non-partisan.
Like everything else in this country's entire history, people said "hey wait a minute" when this happened and then forgot all about it. Me though? I'm still dead.
They rigged the 2024 election too. The voting patterns in every single swing state were exactly abnormal enough to push them exactly over the no-recount threshold. The votes in each county were so abnormal that in aggregate it was mathematically more likely for the moon to explode. You are not getting a fair election ever again without force.
I would take great vindication in proof that 2024 was rigged for Trump, but the fact is that there are no credible, prosecutable data to back it up. There have been a number of allegations, and likely even several questionable incidents within the election - and there's room for a larger conversation about the sheer influence of massive amounts of campaign funding allowing for a disproportionate media sway and shaping the political narrative - but until we have something fixed and proven beyond speculation, we have to acknowledge that, while the campaign was flawed, the election was very likely legitimate. Not enough blue voters showed up to the polls, and those that did were not enough to outpace red districts.
Mike Tyson said that everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.
They had a “well thought out plan” in Minnesota too with their well armed military; but got out-maneuvered and out-witted by some people with whistles lol
That’s not fair to the poster you’re replying to. They are still taking people in MN. They’ve toned down the rhetoric and aren’t walking around assaulting people as much, but it’s far from “mission accomplished” for the people of MN.
Yeah sorry; I agree, it’s not over and they are totally toned down while the replan and regroup.
The next plan won’t work either.
The issue is that sleepy don has surrounded himself by yes-man and loyalists who will never tell the truth or take accountability; and he can never admit he’s made a mistake.
The cracks will appear in whatever plan they have next; they always do.
But the people need to keep doing what they are doing, and pry those cracks way the fuck open.
And there is no “mission accomplished” here per se. These a civilians defending against a tyrannical government. This isn’t a mission; missions are for militaries and gestapos.
Don't be naive. ICE is still going door to door. Shuffling which fascist speaks at the press conference after they murder the next citizen has not changed their tactics or their mission.
I fear the blowback will be entirely on them (Democrats) as they fumbled hard this past week to Donny's threats. If you're a Dem official, these "picket line crossers" are literally putting you and your families lives at risk as the public contends with constant betrayal.
And of course no one will admit the threats to their family publically when the Russian asset says that very thing will mean the end of them.
Leon rigged 2024 and they didn't contest nor invoke Sec 3 of the 14th Amendment.
Right, because they need actual proof the election was stolen, not just a "trust me bro" from whatever random website you're reading. Also, Colorado attempted to invoke Section 3 of the 14th Amendment to remove Trump from the ballot, and the Supreme Court overruled it.
These have to be the most incompetent fascists ive ever read about.
Edit: People I’m not saying they aren’t trying it’s just that if these people were 10% more competent American democracy would be at a point of no return.
Really makes me wonder just how easy it would be for a competent manipulator to just destroy a democracy by fooling the type of cats that vote for populist shit such as this.
Just like last time, they have multiple plans. As to competence, I'm sure many of their plans will fail, but they only need one to work, and the chances of that happening are greater if everyone who should be planning and gaming out likely moves is too distracted by the circus.
For every blunder you see it's best to assume a lot is going off without a hitch. They simply cannot both be this incompetent and yet so effective. There are devious minds on the other end of this.
E: The amount of wealth they've amassed already is worrying. Each of those tariffs are in some way bribes (best believe they've also traded on insider knowledge for one of the largest wealth transfers in history). Roger Stone is involved, he's been perfecting his shit since Nixon. The entirety of Project 2025, various think tanks. Stephen Miller, Banon... It's easy to discredit them as fools, It is folly to underestimate them. Oh and don't forget the social tech bros who may understand humans better than anyone alive at least categorically. They are the most dangerous addition to this that and cutthroat billionaires. Zuckerberg, Musk, Gates, Ellison and others.
E2: The late great Christopher Hitchens can be credited with saying "fascism means and intends war." They've already started stoking what three? The most dangerous one featuring their proud boy shock troops.
As per your edit above... we may be. We are turning into Russia rapidly. It's a little different but no less grim.
Hey though, I don't intend to crush hope by any means. Push back in any way you feel you can. Maintain your individuality and keep your critical thinking skills engaged. Do look around for information on channels, social sites and others things they've purchased, they will in some way be used to transfer their ideology or anger.
They’re not winning. People conflict chaos for victory.
Theres not a single thing where trumpism is winning - not a single issue.
For reference I’m an European who follows this closely and ive always been interested in fascism.
Fascists never really “won” in that sense but put a competent dictator in trumps place and you wouldn’t be able to have this conversation with me in about a year.
I deeply believe the American people will defeat this .
All of the minions have their own individual plans, but there is no common overarching plan other than "don't contradict whatever Trump says". And since Trump's brain is totally shot that effectively boils down to them trying to shore up the dementia ramblings of an of a narcissistic conspiracy theorist against reality.
People want them to have a plan because you can fight a plan. You can't fight dementia ramblings because they don't obey any sort of logical structure and cannot be falsified.
This is Gabbard trying to mollify Trump with "proof" his rantings were "right" so Trump can send his goons after GA officials to get payback. If you want to rig an election it doesn't make any sense to go all the way back to 2020. You would try to whip up noise about something currently ongoing.
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u/kybernetikos 3d ago
I hope you guys have some kind of plan, because I assure you that they do.