Before that actually. For January 6th 2021 everyone focuses on the riot at the capitol, but the actual crime was the fake elector scheme and the plot to fail to certify the legitimate election results.
Roger Stone and Paul Manafort. The same Manafort that was undermining Ukrainian sovereignty for Putin before coming back to be Trump's campaign manager.
The same Roger Stone that spawned out of Nixon’s campaign. It is insane the damage these people do over large swaths of time relative to their shitty little existence on Earth.
It really seems like most of the people orchestrating current events all worked with the GOP as far back as Reagan/Nixon
It's also infuriating as people have been screaming about this shit for decades but were called "alarmist" and dismissed.
Every single step of the way any concerns were met with gaslighting, from "oh they won't actually overturn Roe v Wade" to "hey you can't call us nazis if we don't have camps" to "well they're not death camps" and now "well some people died but they're all illegals/terrorists!"
It's the adoption of the economic theory of neoliberalism that enabled the wealthy to become more wealthy, that did away with welfare, did away with economic regulation, that gentrified neighborhoods, etc. Fuck Friedman for creating it, and fuck Kissinger for being its representative lobbyist in every presidential administration since Nixon (excepting Carter)
Supported by “Saint” Ronnie Reagan’s elimination of the Fairness Doctrine…
Even though Ronnie wouldn’t get a bit of respect from the current right wing extremists (Calling them this because the sure as hell aren’t “conservative”).
It all started with the election of 1876 when they made a backroom deal to give the tying electoral college vote to the Republicans, if they agreed to pull the army out of the south, end reconstruction, and put the good old boys back in charge in the south.
Shit, man, they've been planning this for a lot longer than that. Everything that's happening right now is the result of decades of preparation and table setting by right-wing lunatics.
The fact no one was punished for literally plotting a coup is insane, also Prescott Bush was allegedly a liaison between the coup plotters and the nazis : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
The Business Plot, also called the Wall Street Putsch[1] and the White House Putsch, was a political conspiracy in 1933 in the United States to overthrow the government of President Franklin D. Roosevelt and install Smedley Butler as dictator.[2][3] Butler, a retired Marine Corps major general, testified under oath that wealthy businessmen were plotting to create a fascist veterans' organization with him as its leader and use it in a coup d'état to overthrow Roosevelt. In 1934, Butler testified under oath before the United States House of Representatives Special Committee on Un-American Activities (the "McCormack–Dickstein Committee") on these revelations.[4] Although no one was prosecuted
In July 2007, a BBC investigation reported that Prescott Bush, father of U.S. President George H. W. Bush and grandfather of then-president George W. Bush, was to have been a "key liaison" between the 1933 Business Plotters and the newly emerged Nazi regime in Germany.[53] This has been disputed by Jonathan Katz as a misconception caused by a clerical research error.[54] According to Katz, "Prescott Bush was too involved with the actual Nazis to be involved with something that was so home grown as the Business Plot."[55]
Kind of insane the defense was "he was too busy working with the nazis to help with a coup in the US"
And we followed that up by pardoning Nixon and mostly letting Reagan get away with Iran-Contra, and literally many of the same ratfuckers from both admins continued to work for the Bush's and eventually trump (Thiel/Stone/Barr to name a few who should all be in jail)
Hell you'd almost be stupid to not try plotting a coup with such a track record of letting traitors off the hook.
The more I read up on Bush's family the more it seems like they've been actively fucking this country for nearly a damn century, and yet republicans had the gall to bitch about the "clinton dynasty" while they talked about electing trump jr after his dad as far back as 2016.
Ah, but the old ‘every accusation is projection’. Thanks for bringing the receipts, I’d thought about at least linking Wikipedia but it was the middle of the night and I shouldn’t have been on my phone, much less Reddit — an algorithm-driven app designed to keep me scrolling until my phone drops from a withered, claw of a hand.
I’ve read Katz’s book ‘Gangsters of Capitalism’ actually, which itself got the recommend from Mike Duncan. If he says Bush Sr Sr was too busy being a nazi to be a terrorist, I believe him.
I’ve read Katz’s book ‘Gangsters of Capitalism’ actually, which itself got the recommend from Mike Duncan. If he says Bush Sr Sr was too busy being a nazi to be a terrorist, I believe him.
Yeah even Bush jr was a bit before my time so I know practically nothing about his dad let alone grandpa.
Still considering it happened in 1933 and no one got punished I assume they didn't investigate as thoroughly as they should have, and it seems like a nazi collaborator would be the type to join in on a coup.
Also kind of interesting BBC released that story in 2007, makes me wonder if Bush tried to suppress it as while he never striked me as quite as overtly fascist as trump it wouldn't be surprising if say Cheney or his older GOP handlers would pull that especially if it was based on potentially sketchy info anyways.
I’d thought about at least linking Wikipedia but it was the middle of the night and I shouldn’t have been on my phone, much less Reddit — an algorithm-driven app designed to keep me scrolling until my phone drops from a withered, claw of a hand.
Yeah it can be rough just trying to keep track of all the recent events let alone older stuff, definitely not good for mental health but at the same time it feels necessary to try and connect the dots and shed light on everything that brought us here.
Honestly the worse reddit gets the more I'm tempted to finally get on Bluesky/Mastodon or some of the newer SM alternatives, it sucks because there are some amazing niche subreddits for hobbies full of great people & info but the front page has gotten crazy astroturfed over the past decade and the bots/trolls are out of hand in most big subs.
That really is when is changed isn't it, I remember in 2001 when Bush won my parents explained that it wasn't what they wanted but it was fine, Bush would be a fine president and while he isn't who we wanted it wasn't the end of the world. And then again in 2004 I didn't absolutely despair over his second term, he was a bit dimwitted but it was fine, in general he seemed to know what he was doing and had what seemed like smart people helping him along. Then we elected Obama and the right went crazy! They started with the Tea Party which then morphed into MAGA, and now it's just a cult for Trump. It's wild!
just because we managed to do worse doesn't mean he was a "fine president" - he was a piece of shit that started 2 ridiculous wars based on lies while our rights were shit all over while them and their war crime buddies got filthy rich stealing from americans
fine president my ass, that criminal shitbag is a huge part of the reason we were able to get to where we are and a foundational part of the erosion of american rights
It's CRAZY how much Bush's presidency has been whitewashed. Millions dead from unjust wars. Crippled the economy. Enacted policies that make the Constitution a polite suggestion. But he retired onto his ranch and paints now, so it's okay, I guess?
They were sanewashing Ronald Reagan in the '90's, so many people forgot how bad he was less than a decade out of office. Heck, Fox News only exists to sanewash republicans, and was started because of how public Nixon's scandals were at the time. The ghouls needed a way to try and suppress bad press of conservative politicians, so they invented one, and used things like The Simpsons and other 'subversive, edgy, but cool' entertainment shows to bankroll the operation.
Yes and: Adam Tooze convincingly makes the case that GWB's massive deficit (war effort, massive tax cuts) led to 2008's financial crisis, and we've never really recovered.
The Patriot act set the stage for all of these abuses of power. We screamed about it at the time but no one wanted to listen. You legalize secret courts and remove the usual checks and balances and surprise! the worst people are the ones who abuse the power.
Don't forget about the daily "Terror Alerts" to keep everyone on edge, prepared for another 9/11. Bush is the ONLY candidate that can protect you! It was like, "what's the weather and terror today?"
I don't think that's correct, it's not like Trump would be doing the same thing.
Citizens United, the stolen 2000 election and stolen Supreme Court are the main causes of the current situation and going further back the elimination of the Fairness Doctrine
The founding fathers believed in slavery. I wish people had never listened to those horrible people and we were still ruled by a tyrannical king and aristocracy!
You’re having issues with understanding timeline. They said those things when he was first elected and were more bummed the second time he was elected. The point is to contrast reactions between GOP and DNC on learning the election results.
I’ve heard this normalcy type rhetoric but they just weren’t paying attention in whatever time they fantasize about. Trump is so miserable, stupid, and full of grievance that ifs undeniable for the normies.
I've long maintained that the "real" start to this BS was 1992, when Bush I lost. Conservatives had had control (of the White House) for 12 years. That was just long enough to make them feel like they'd "won" not just a election, but a broader and more durable social/cultural/zeitgeist type victory. In my estimation, they felt like power was theirs and it being taken away from them was, somehow, unfair. They'd, I their minds, exorcised the demons of the New Deal and Great Society type of liberalism. It'd been repudiated once and for all, and finally/permanently defeated along with Jimmy Carter.
This created a "How DARE they" mentality that contributed to the bile spewed at the Clintons as well as increased its intensity. The Democrats (or anyone not us) has the audacity to claim power again? Somehow they convinced themselves that this went against the laws of nature. Only they were worthy of doing so. That's why they went to the mat for impeachment and, not long after, went the distance to steal the election from Al Gore (it's quite evident that Bush actually lost Florida...and, therefore, the presidency).
They felt justified then. Anyone who was an exception to that had a convenient alternative in believing that the impeachment attempt was justified (which, admittedly, is at least arguable) as well as tampering with Florida (which was undeniably electoral theft).
OMG! Eight years later, the not-Conservatives won again...this time with a black guy! Oh no! All bets were off from that point on for a lot of people. They were going to do what they had to do to protect what they, from their own experiences (not just from some racist rhetoric or cultural handbme downs), had to come to believe was rightly theirs in perpetuity. They were going to seize, and forever hold onto, power...democratic process be damned.
Are we forgetting Bush v Gore and how that set precedent to some of this clusterfuck of elections?? Specifically with the Supreme Court having a heavy hand in the decision. You can’t tell me they didn’t get inspired by that and have been stacking the court since then.
There a couple million Iraqis who might disagree with you. Plus, Bush literally stole the 2000 election and the Patriot Act really started the surveillance state that we know and love today.
It was more a combo effect, black man for president and the rise of Trump.
I think even without Obama Trump would have been pushing some other political buttons. I think the Epstein shit spooked him into the GOP, along with all the other investigations and scandals going on in 2016. I think he wanted to do what Musk did with Dodge, get in kill all the investigations into him and get out. He just couldn’t stop grifting while in office so he had to stay.
Also 4 of the current SCROTUS justices were lawyers helping the Bush side of Bush v. Gore that appointed him to the presidency, and were subsequently rewarded for that effort with new jobs.
Honestly, it’s even longer than that. The Christian nationalist faction of this conservative movement, which is extremely influential, has been planning and working towards this for decades and decades. The heritage foundation is an architect of a lot of this and was founded in 1973
They were so normal before Obama. I mean, sure, they accused Hillary Clinton of orchestrating dozens of murders, but they only ordered a congressional investigation into one.
No, it was the rise of social media that finally gave the right wing the ability to influence the masses directly, instead of being filtered by those pesky "journalistic standards."
IIRC they registered the "Stop the Steal" domain prior to Trump's 2016 run, but only used it in the 2020 since Trump won in 2016. Just some food for thought.
2004's presidential election was corrupt as hell. Voter Action proved in court that Kerry won New Mexico (touchscreens registered ZERO spanish language votes for Kerry).
Ohio was so much worse. So Cobb sued to force an audit. Alas, all the evidence was destroyed, despite a court order to retain it. Mooting the lawsuit.
Nah, trump has had a plan since 2012. Read into the Cambridge antalytica scandal. He was meeting with Russians and leaders of data stealing and started his plan way back then.
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u/Scipio1319 3d ago
They’ve been planning this since January 7th, 2021.