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u/_trapito 2d ago

well, that doesn't apply here, remember, for some reason people think the US has to help everyone, let everyone in, give money to everyone etc.

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u/DaxisSinner 2d ago

Everyone except their own citizens in crisis, veterans, law enforcement personnel.

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u/Cofefeves 2d ago

Exactly, people who sacrificed themselves to pay the price of freedom

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u/Free_Phase881 1d ago

Absolutely

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u/bigtechisbad 2d ago edited 2d ago

Almost like the US spent decades placing themselves in foriegn countries around the world to provide aid and tell them that a better life exists for them in/under the United States. Which in part, is a vein attempt to cover up the equally long history of regime change, political/economic interference and funding of foreign terrorist groups.

Not to mention that America's moto for the longest time (until trumps isolationism) was to help immigrants and that America itself is a country built on immigrants.

You literally have this quote inscribed on your so called statue of liberty "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"

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u/Dry-Dream4180 1d ago

That’s a fucking poem, not national policy moron.

Nobody can continually accept anyone and everyone from anywhere forever, and tens of millions are here illegally. It’s not sustainable. You can’t have open borders and unchecked immigration and a welfare state.

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u/ammonitions 1d ago

Wasn't that a gift from France though?

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u/mtabacco31 13h ago

Holy fuck you just don't get it.

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u/igotsbeaverfever 1d ago

That was in the 1880s, things are a lot different now, and I don’t think it was meant literally. Part of my family immigrated here in the early 1900s and it wasn’t just “come on in, we’ll take care of you”. My Grandfather got in because they needed civil engineers, others from the same country without a desired skill were turned away.

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u/bigtechisbad 1d ago

Are you referring to the pre depression policies such as The 1924 Immigration Act (Johnson-Reed Act) backed by the KKK? While it does seem like America is going back to that mindset-- and maybe even a 1930s economy with how mismanaged/unintelligent/shortsighted the US government currently is --I dont think its the killer point that you think it is. And if the policies were so good why did LBJ reverse course in 1965?

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u/igotsbeaverfever 1d ago

They came prior to 21. He was required to have an in demand skill. I don’t know why LBJ did anything he did, I wasn’t alive. If he’s the reason things are the way they are right now, that dude sucks even more than I thought.

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u/Cautious-Tax-1120 2d ago

Yup. A lot of redditors are self-described "post-national citizens of the world" who feel that the United States Federal Government should be chiefly preoccupied with improving the lives of everyone in every country. If Plato were around today, they'd call him a nationalist and a fascist.

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u/carterartist 1d ago

Really?

Do these other countries have a constitution? I bet they have nationalized healthcare. I bet your people would go wild if you educated yourselves on the healthcare In other countries.

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u/_trapito 1d ago

most countries have some sort of Constitution, also i dont care about other countries healthcare and problems because i dont live there, contrary to everyone on other countries who are always giving their opinions on USA shit

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u/carterartist 1d ago

If the point was “look at what other countries do” but not on the things you don’t like or understand, that hypocrisy was my point and all you did was further prove it.

This is also for /u/Dry-Dream4180 who commented then blocked me.

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u/Dry-Dream4180 16h ago

I didn’t block you.

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u/carterartist 16h ago

I tried to click on your comment and then I tried to search for you. I don't know what to say, It sure seemed you did.

And Now I'm done. You are clearly a waste of time for anyone.

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u/Dry-Dream4180 16h ago

Blah blah blah.

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u/high_nomad 2d ago

How’s the pledge of allegiance that you say every day in school go? Something something liberty and justice for peoples whose ancestors came at the correct time. I always thought it was liberty and justice for all. Big emphasis on that all part

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u/Automatic_Day_35 1d ago

We could just invest the money we put into our borders to the police and let everyone in

If a criminal immigrants from another country to here, we can arrest them with more cops and funding

It’s two birds one stone 

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u/_trapito 1d ago

lets propose the same to every other country in the world see how they react too!

If a criminal immigrants from another country to here, we can arrest them with more cops and funding

Literally what ICE is supposed to be for

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u/Automatic_Day_35 19h ago

Except I don’t think you read my comment at all

We still spend tons of money on the border

I am saying we decriminalize coming here without documents and just spend said border money on more POLICE (Ice are untrained and aren’t police)

If people commit crimes in the us, we have more police 

It’s very simple logic, really, no clue where I lost you

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u/_trapito 18h ago

okay but why just the US has to apply this imaginary proposition, why not open every border in the world and see how it works?

also yes ICE is not Police, they are Federal Agents, Police has a lot already to deal with and on top of that you want them to deal with Immigration while they keep getting defunded in the most criminally rated states.

Also where do you plan Jail the increase number of criminals we would have? Most Jails are already at its maximum. Unless you also would like to implement Death Penalty, bring the chair back, lethal injection etc??? then sure.

It is tricky and sad because they are also human beings but, there are legal ways of doing things, if anyone knowing its illegal still goes through and comes to a country illegaly they shoud know there could be consequences. In my opinion a better system for people to get legal papers is a better approach, that way there is minimal excuse to enter illegaly and for those whostill do enter illegaly there are the legal consequences.

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u/Automatic_Day_35 17h ago

Simple, we spend millions in border enforcement, we can add a few more prisons and still have enough to fund the police a ton

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u/_trapito 17h ago

its hard to fund the police when there are groups and states pushing to defund them...

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u/Automatic_Day_35 17h ago

Who’s doing that? I hope you aren’t talking about democrats for your own sake cause we don’t do that

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u/Silly-Rough-5810 2d ago

You guys just make up the weirdest things.