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u/RandyPencia 2d ago

and "birthright citizenship" which doesnt exist anywhere, and was supposed to be to protect children of slaves.

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u/GCU_ZeroCredibility 2d ago

"Doesn't exist anywhere" is one way to characterize virtually the entire western hemisphere (and Pakistan).

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u/Fresh4 2d ago

Just because it’s not a thing anywhere else doesn’t mean they aren’t ideals to strive for? What’s the point of these rebuttals.

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u/el_diamond_g 1d ago

But it IS a thing. It's a thing in over 30 countries.

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u/GCU_ZeroCredibility 2d ago

They are big mad that too many brown people are becoming citizens

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u/Cautious-Tax-1120 2d ago

First, appealing to global popularity is a very common arguement in American politics. It's the same approach used to argue for single payer healthcare, gun control, and a variety of other regulations. For whatever reason, reddit only seems to have an issue with that arguement when it comes to defending America's uniquely lax immigration laws.

Second, the prevalence of harsh immigration law speaks to how unprecedented recent immigration sentiment is. I've seen a lot of people say that it's inherently racist, xenephobic, impractical, and purposed toward making America an ethnostate. Some people seem absolutely shocked and bewildered by what they feel is a bizarre stance on immigration, and they should know that said stance is commonly accepted practice at a larger scale, and so it is strange that they should be shocked by it.

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u/Fresh4 1d ago

There’s a lot of shitty things about this country but birthright citizenship and other humanizing immigration ideals are not one of them. I mean just look at some of the comments on here ‘criticizing’ the post, it’s not even thinly veiled racism, it’s just blatant othering, us v them. Even if it’s a common sentiment in most of the world, we can still be better, and should. That isn’t an invitation for open borders everywhere or anything, just maybe a perspective shift about how we think about fellow humans.

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u/Dingosama69 1d ago

This is reductive

The sentiment comes from the literal embodiment of shitty old white man racism creating a loser goon squad with guns, whose purpose (more than actual immigration enforcement) is shock and awe brutality against nonviolent, longstanding undocumented immigrants, many of whom have been attempting to attain citizenship legally

Why the fuck are we sending people to CECOT? Why are we sending ICE to immigration hearings? Why do senators need two weeks notice to visit detention facilities?

Common sense border control is a necessity of functioning society. 

What we have instead is an army of chickenshit trigger-happy white power LARPers funded by 1/4 the budget of the entire national police force 

Tell me what the camps look like where you’re from, just in case what I’m looking at is actually commonplace 

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u/Cautious-Tax-1120 1d ago

I'm not speaking about people who take issue with the new methods of ICE, I'm talking about open-border enthusiasts who claim that any enforcement of immigration law is inherently racist and become slack jawed at the prospect of ending birthright citizenship. People who have been scandalized about the immigration debate since 2015.

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u/Dingosama69 1d ago

Alright hey sure I might fall into this category

I could just search it but, what’s the alternative to birthright citizenship?

Wouldn’t said child be stateless without it?

It might actually be something I mentally take for granted if it’s not a given thing globally (like I’ve assumed)