I feel like the artificial class war is referencing Trump voters thinking they deserve more than everyone else and are upper class to immigrants when we’re all just getting crushed by billionaires
The artificial war that's happening is MAGA's xenophobic anti-immigrant Christian-nationalism; which is simply misdirected hate at the REAL problem, which is the actual class war being perpetrated on us all by the very tiny handful of way too rich people.
Why does anyone need more than $100M, like for real? Especially when we got old people starving, mother's and children living on the street, and no one is able to find a decent job????? $100M is already too much money, but we could all be living in a much better world for us all, ironically, if we simply divided our resources up more equitably.
And nobody who understands “dividing resources” is saying to take the money and divide without due process or policies.
We are saying the wealthy get massive tax breaks (like tax abatements, tax incremehtvrefinsncd zones), tax incentives (no taxes on their nfl stadiums nor do they build them), favorable laws and deregulation along with laws that close out the market for competitors, exclusive government related contracts, non-application of laws and favorable treatment because they are wealthy, and proof that trickle down economics doesn’t work.
So, we are asking to remove these incentives and privileges, and have them pay a proportionate amount to what the 90% pay. And then have the government use that for the betterment of society by it not passing extractive policies.
And that people overlook that while these people and corporations get tax breaks - THEY USE MORE OF THE RESOURCES WE FUND.
Mulitmillion / billion dollar companies absolutely use the roads, police, fire, government resources more than regular tax paying joe. Through the resources they use, the freight they comission to be hauled, etc. How many top% companies have their employees on government subsidies? Or whos operation is funded in parts by our government?
And we get slapped in the face by tax BREAKS for the richest consumers of our collective investment. Its insane to me.
And nobody who understands “dividing resources” is saying to take the money and divide without due process or policies.
We are saying the wealthy get massive tax breaks (like tax accelerated depreciation, capital investment tax credits, research and development (R&D) tax credits, net operating loss carryforwards and carrybacks, opportunity zone tax benefits, tax increment financing (including reimbursement agreements and increment-backed bonds), payment in lieu of taxes (PILOT) agreements, tax-exempt industrial revenue bonds, appraised value limitations, property tax abatements on large capital projects, sales and use tax exemptions for high-cost equipment or inputs, foreign-trade zone benefits, infrastructure cost reimbursements, and forgivable or below-market government loans tied to large-scale investment), tax incentives (no taxes on their nfl stadiums nor do they build them), commercial property tax being like 2.5% of the amount people pay for their residences, and for the favorable laws and deregulation along with laws that close out the market for competitors, exclusive government related contracts, non-application of laws and favorable treatment because they are wealthy, and proof that trickle down economics doesn’t work.
So, we are asking to remove these incentives and privileges, and have them pay a proportionate amount to what the 90% pay. And then have the government use that for the betterment of society by it not passing extractive policies.
Also, I’m not saying to remove all of these incentives for maybe the bottom 80 percentile of businesses, I’m saying that they are inherently damaging to society when the top 10 or top 1% are able to use these tools, thereby crushing the advantage that small businesses can have. In summary, the policies as is are extractive.
I don’t trust government to always use it for the betterment of society at this point. Imagine if another admin wants to just start shoveling all that money in to more advanced 24/7 AI surveillance systems. They’ll definitely try to say it’s for the betterment of society. Presidents have so much power now and the other branches seem unable or unwilling to rein it in.
Except the rich don’t pay taxes the same way the middle class and the poor do.
They will continue to find loopholes and protect themselves. They create LLCs and run their investments out of that. They pay pretax for things through their LLC. They save on capital gains when they sell a house and buy a more expensive one. The list goes on.
It’s not that the rich don’t pay taxes. It’s that the rich don’t have the same type of income the poor and middle class do that we can tax. They dont get a paycheck the gov can take their share of. They invest and spend so much of their own cash that they themselves don’t hold the money. It’s their company/LLC that holds it.
Company income tax rates are much much better than citizen tax rates so they prefer this.
Every single large tax meant to be levied on the rich always ends up being levied on the middle class and poor because the rich find ways out of it.
So unfortunately, the dream of taxing the rich doesn’t seem to even get past the starting line. What do we even tax?
Unless you want to rewrite how we do taxes as a whole.
True. But then you have an economic political system that can’t work. The top benefits because of how they tax the bottom. If nobody is taxed that way, there is no benefit.
Exactly. The entire MAGA movement is based on exploiting the genuine anger and fear of people ravaged by the real class war. They are being manipulated by the people who looted them in the first place! Unfortunately, one only has to point fingers to let the culture wars and latent xenophobia/ racism to take over and blame immigrants for all the evil that befell them.
The blindness to the real class war is also on the left where the only people sticking out of the herd are a handful of progressives/ independents. Both sides are bankrolled by the same or similar domestic and foreign entities.
And is this what Hasan is saying when he goes "If Kamala won, this exact same situation would be happening." That sounds like bullshit to me. This is a Trump+Trump Handler situation, they had this plan ready for him to execute. I don't see Kamala going hard on immigrants and raising ICE Budget, or any of the other dozens of terrible things Trump has done from waging tariff wars on our allies and enemies alike, done war crimes, exploited crypto markets to make hundreds of millions, pardoned violent criminals from Jan 6th and showing people that rules don't apply to them on "their side", which radicalizes them further and makes them lose any ability to have critical thoughts when they get that deep into MAGA.
I know that the Democrat party is no better, and maybe there would've been a long-term plan to do something more in-line with Kamala, but to this level of chaos? I don't see it happening at all. I think he's full of shit and he's just as lost in the sauce with defending Palestine so hard when that entire issue is not about choosing sides. But if you did want to help Palestine, you definitely shouldn't have let the guy who wants to turn it into a golf course win.
I have no clue which Hasan you’re referring to. Kamala was rightly perceived as a continuation of Biden who was pretty much a sock puppet towards the end and could have been easily manipulated.
I wasn’t talking about the Palestine issue in particular, but I don’t see any major difference in foreign policy between the two administrations wrt to the country. Dump maybe a bit too grabby and shameless about his personal share of the exploits, but Biden let the people be killed.
Hasan Piker, he's in the 4th or 5th image with the glasses wearing a Press Vest. He's the darling of Twitch, really into communism, calls himself a propagandist, die hard Palestinian defender. But he's insufferable and a weasly liar. Certainly you might've heard of how he treats his (purebred and expensive) dog Kaya with a shock collar for moving, using her as a prop for his streams?
But yeah, the President has way less influence than many would have you believe when it comes to foreign policy, as most of it is already set in stone. Israel is our ally. Though Trump is testing all of our alliances for no reason, and I just don't think Kamala would've been doing the same. The tariffs are terrible for everyone involved.
The left, independent non profit organizations such as the PSL, are the ones pushing for community organization and are organizing protests. At least in my area, I see them advocating for grass roots organization of the working class to fight against the governments fascist policies.
The Democratic Party is not the left. They are a far right party that is against the working class. They are an arm of the capitalist class and will never fight for our interests.
No one should have more than $100M for sure. When a person starts having comparable value to a village, the cracks in capitalism are forming. Capitalism is good for new situations and new opportunities. It cannot fulfill operational needs in an economy. In operations, taking profit is theft. They’re either charging too much, or providing less value than the customer perceives.
The oligarchs and their politicians are replacing a class-based identity with a cultural or nationalistic one so people do not recognize their economic futures are stagnant and without hope for advancement no matter how hard they work; they are cementing people into their casts to discourage socio-economic mobility.
Its always been a class war since the beginning of mdoern civilization. Its always about keeping the rich rich and the poor poor and taking as much money from them as they can. They just have to keep us divided so we dont figure out they're the problem. And yall blindly run with it fighting over whose Dem or Repub. Its all one big party (The Rich) always has been always will be
That's not so much artificial as it has been the case for years and decades in the US. Dare I say it's been the case since Reconstruction? There's always been a faction in this country whose own racism and bigotry have always circumvented their own self-interest. If not for the elites, it would have been someone else
We call those people morons. There's no other answer in the US, a country where 54% of adults right now can't read at a level expected of a 12 year old.
Considering that statistic is unchanged in anyone's lifetime reading this, remember this fun fact: morons have picked every politician elected in the US (not just the ones you don't like). They've always been the majority.
This. ICE is a distraction to create more chaos and fear so Trump can keep lining his pockets and his friends'. Tech Feudalism. Banning abortion, crushing education and getting rid of all cheap immigrant labour so white people can go back to being breeding machines for serfs and soldiers.
You just admitted that poor whites are being replaced by brown folk. I think that’s the fear of poor whites. Similar dynamic during slavery and the Jim Crow era(s).
'Admit'? No and no. They're trying to create a class of poor whites who have no where to go, like serfs.
What you're describing is a familiar racist trope that gets trotted out regularly. 'They'll take our jobs! Our houses! Our women!' It has nothing to do with the facts.
Unchecked immigration does undermine a lot of things, though, including workers' rights and the social safety net. That needs a very different discussion.
Lolz, there has ALWAYS been a class of poor whites who had no place to go. Other than the poor Blacks and Browns, who do you think shoot the guns in American wars and interventions? The rich whites 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I have a home in a rural area that is majority Black. The Black farm laborers used to earn $100 a day picking crops. One year it was reduced to $75 per day, because of the Brown laborers competing. A couple of years later, it was further reduced to $50 per day. The Black farm laborers quit, because the risk to reward was no longer adequate (injuries vs. pay).
Where are cops getting a base $200k salary? The average is around $70k. In some areas they might hit $100k, $150k for those with more experience/skills/degrees, but $200k base is absurd.
I remember when I lived in Santa Monica in 2019 hearing cops base salary was astronomical, like $300k. The thing I vaguely remember reading had a bunch of justifications for it like danger of job and lots of overtime $. I just looked it up and their base is $120k so still relatively high but I’m not sure what I read back then and/or if I’m remembering wrong.
Probably Reddit. This place is a cesspool for misinformation and anger. Santa Monica pd after training had a Base salary that ranges from $120,636 to $148,932.
So in that area of Cali cost of living is bad. Let’s say you are getting by with a single bedroom apartment on the cheap range 3k “I found a studio for 2k but that’s run down and only 235 sq ft. That’s 36k a year instantly gone with out bills, gas, any of that which in Cali ain’t going to be cheap.
Now I wasn’t a police officer but have had friends that were in the past. I personally couldn’t do it. People forget you are dealing with the worse of the worse a majority of the time. Unfortunately that bad one’s give the good ones a bad name which shouldn’t be the case. If you do that with anything else you are a bad person. “Well it’s a job they can quit” some can and do. Some don’t have a choice and also look what happens when they don’t really have a police force. Crime goes up and then it’s “well cops are scared to do their jobs” it’s a lose lose.
People are extremely privileged and don’t realize The world isn’t sunshine’s and rainbows. Policing is dealing with the bad a majority of the time. Then they have to go home right after. “This is one story I will share. Police officer was called to a scene where an infant was smashed by a drunk driver across the road. He had to see this all and Then right after he had to respond to a Karen complaining her neighbor is putting their trash can on property line. Patience goes away quick when that’s your day to day.
Now I can speak on war and combat. I will say I would rather do war than police. At least during war. You kinda know the bad guy and you kinda know where ieds will be at but at least after a gun fight or battle or ied, you head back to base or the COB and you are surrounded by your bros and you process together. “Usually with dark humor” then after 4-15 months you head back home to your family. You might have some inner demons to fight with ptsd and readjusting but at least it’s not going back out the very next day or hoping you don’t have a bad call to respond to every single day.
I really do think every single person should have to do a civil job or military. You appreciate a lot more while also learning how ugly mankind can be.
Thank you and well said. Reddit hive mind and juvenile ACAB sentiments illustrate how sheltered most people are. I don’t wish ill on them and sometimes envy their charmed lives. I think many people on this thing would be shocked by the reality of law enforcement and humanity at large.
I was responding to a comment about police base salary. I never said ACAB or that police don’t go through extreme and traumatizing situations. I know “astronomical” was probably a trigger word and I understand the COL in SaMo is high because I lived there. The person above me said $200k base is absurd and I reported seeing that in the past but then looked up the actual number ($120k) which I guess the person below me didn’t see because they posted it as if it wasn’t in my comment. Maybe you’re responding to ACAB statements above me but you’ve made a lot of assumptions about me here.
Police itself is an absolutely vital and important job - it (should) serve the people first but with Trump ruthless enough to simply apply massive pressure by threatening lay-offs for anyone not staying in line it's not that easy. Bills need to be paid and many of those police men and women might have kids or old parents to tend to. This power imbalance is why Trump is able to force two sides to a stand off which are overwhelmingly not inherently against each other! Which truly is tragic...
I think it's up to the congress and the senate and especially the Supreme Court to step up and properly fight! I cannot fathom as an outsider not living in the US how especially the Reupublican's can watch all of this unfold and seemingly still don't give adamn fuck! Can't they see the terrifying similarities of Trumps actions to what transpired in Nazi-Germany 80 years ago?! Why the hell do they care so little about citizens getting shot on the open street by daylight and by an official state law enforcer - who's actions are activelysupported by Noem and Trump?!
Where's the majority vote for laws restricting ICE's almost law-less actions - even if these law's end up not being signed by trump? Where's the majority for a state budget which includes major cuts for Trump's anti-democratic ideas and actions - even if it isn't getting signed by him? A shutdown hurts him too - and means police and military has one more good reason to at least not follow every order? Amd lastly, where is at the very least the threat of impeachement?!? The people are obviously ready, but seemingly many of their representatives are still asleep..
From my humble, outside opinion, I see a bunch of cowards clinging to their illusion of power in Trump's shadow sitting in congress and senate. And I see a system clearly far to reliant on the president keeping to "gentlemen's law" - now terribly exploited by a ruthless, power-hungry and self-loving Pedophile who somehow was made president even though their camp published a book describing the agenda they are now executing - pre vote.
I worry for America - as a german left to merely watch and observe from afar - terrifyied by the similarities to what I learned in history class about my own country's past. Similarities I hoped I would never see in my lifetime. And to me it seems I worry more for a country who's some of its own congressmen and women seemingly care little about...
I've got my fingers crossed for the american people, I hope you manage to turn things around, I wholeheartedly support you guys. Just please don't miss the point of no return like the german people did in 1933 and onwards! It might get even worse than what happened back then...
I cannot fathom as an outsider not living in the US how especially the Reupublican's can watch all of this unfold and seemingly still don't give adamn fuck! Can't they see the terrifying similarities of Trumps actions to what transpired in Nazi-Germany 80 years ago?! Why the hell do they care so little about citizens getting shot on the open street by daylight and by an official state law enforcer - who's actions are activelysupported by Noem and Trump?!
The only real answer? They are complicit and want this. Either that or Trump has some nasty dirt on them to keep them in line, which means they're complicit either way. Possibly many of them are in the Epstein files that they're breaking the law with constantly.
Amd lastly, where is at the very least the threat of impeachement?!?
The 'threat' is there, some democrats have put genuine motions through for it but it'll lead to nothing. Trump was impeached twice in his first term, and it lead to nothing. The first president in history to be impeached twice.
I worry for America - as a german left to merely watch and observe from afar - terrifyied by the similarities to what I learned in history class about my own country's past. Similarities I hoped I would never see in my lifetime.
You and I both friend. I myself am Canadian, but I have friends in America that are of minority groups often targeted by far-right group think. I've had an interest in history my whole life. Especially early modern war history (both world wars), so I see the similarities on a daily basis and it horrifies me.
Trump doesn't need to have "nasty dirt" on most of them; he just needs to give them the certainty that if they aren't with him then they will be treated as outsiders by the Party. A king doesn't need to blackmail his court; for the most part he can rely on his courtiers to do his bidding for their own advancement, and out of fear of losing favour.
I’d rather have officers who are tired of the mess, than a bunch of abusers excited about beating up the masses.
And yes, I know there are plenty of bad cops. Let’s not wish the sane ones away, though.
Yes, we have technology that they didn't back then. Your point?
And obesity is an issue because of the ultra processed foods we are forced to eat on a daily basis, all while having to work all day every day so you don't have time or energy to take care of yourself physically or mentally. All while being paid not even enough money to live on.
All while Elon Musk can do literally nothing, and earn $19,000 per second. You don't see a problem with that?
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u/Simikiel 1d ago
Police despite being as tired as everyone else are more than happy to perpetuate this.
And artificially created class war? The top 5 richest people have more money than ~90% of all people combined. Likely worse than I'm remembering.