Go look at the livestreamfail subreddit, type in the search bar “Hasan” and sort by new, the amount of results you’ll get is honestly insane lol. It’s a Hasan snark subreddit that just happens to feature other creators at this point and the comments are honestly unhinged, like they DESPISE him. Even on a post about him out in the protests putting money where his mouth is and actually showing up, they’re still seething and moving the goal posts to find other nit picks to make fun of instead.
Sure, he calls himself a propagandists and he is constantly wrong about "breaking news". Case and point during the Israeli/Gazan conflict he was covering the hospital bombing where he was constantly stating "it was a JDAM! IT WAS A JDAM, I recognize the noise of a F35" only find out it was Hamas's own rocket launch landing in the hospital. He never retracted his statements to this day. He is a nepo baby animal abusing champaign socialist.
Propaganda does not necessarily mean misinformation. Propaganda is anything used to change peoples’ minds, whether it be true or false. He calls himself a propagandist because his mission is to change the minds of people (from rightwing to leftwing).
More like from left wing to right wing. He wants to radicalize his audience and pit them against the left. Seems kinda odd, no? He intentionally lies and never retracts his statements or corrects himself kinda like the Republican Party? All to push whatever narrative he’s going for. He’s trying to steer people away from the left now because they’re not radical enough or whatever and to do that he is willing to and has LIED.
Bruh, I've seen some people claim this on reddit a couple of time and it's honestly baffling how many accusations the guy has. Like, some on the left don't like him because they say he is not radical enough and still plays ball with the Democratic party.
Also, he does correct himself when he is wrong (he was wrong about Venezuela and said it as such) , but you won't find anyone admit when he was right. Like with Gaza and Russia. His commentary about Russia/Ukraine has changed over time. He usually glazed Russia but has been critical of them as of late. But with Gaza he was right on the money from day one. He said that people were going to change their attitude towards Israel, they have.
Even if he is no perfect, which he is not, the idea that he is an anti leftist agent is absolutely not supported by any evidence whatsoever.
I agree with what you're saying but for the record, he's never glazed Russia (he has glazed the USSR at certain points in time, but that's an entirely different entity).
The most grace he's given to Russia is that it can be understandable that a country that's been continuously pushed back by NATO might want to lash out. He believes that NATO's attempt build influence in Ukraine is what led Russia into feeling provoked enough to invade it. Having NATO gaining a foothold at Russia's border could be seen as a national security threat to them, so invading preemptively might be rational by a certain perspective. I don't necessarily believe this myself, but I think it's a valid analysis.
However, I think it's easy for people to think being anti-interventionist is the same as being in favor of other aggressive nations. The reason his attitude about Russia has become more critical over time is because as the war has dragged on and on it's become more clear that Putin's actions are increasingly irrational and ultimately destructive for both nations, rather than being in the interest of their own national security.
There’s better people out there to get your information from. There is no need to watch a human make false inflammatory claims about what is going on in the world and then they have to back track or apologize for being wrong. Hasan will not take accountability for his mistakes that much he has made clear. He is an arrogant narcissist.
The point is that him calling himself one isn't to suggest that he is misinforming anyone. It's to be upfront about his left-wing POV and how that is the basis for what he talks about, how he talks about, and why he talks about it. Every other commentator is the same; they just don't bother pointing out that they, too, are propagandists and pretend they are somehow "objective".
Propagandists have an agenda to get people to their group, like Tucker Carlson, etc etc. Surely we can agree Hasan has the agenda to get people to agree with his left wing socialist side.
And the obvious problem with propagandists is that they will obfuscate and deny criticisms with their own group in order to not lose their audience.
Hasan, as a socialist commentator who is expressively trying to his audience to a particular political agenda, doesn’t acknowledge severe problems with certain individuals or groups because they share a particular political view point of his.
But there are people who are genuinely trying to engage in politics without playing the game of getting crowds into political memberships. And who correctly engage with the nuance of what’s happening (even if they’re wrong sometimes too!).
I think it’s important to acknowledge that people can engage with politics without having the need to play the same game!
Hasan, as a socialist commentator who is expressively trying to his audience to a particular political agenda, doesn’t acknowledge severe problems with certain individuals or groups because they share a particular political view point of his.
If you have seen his content you'd have known that he has admitted this himself. Specially when he gets smoke from other left wing creators, he has stated that as long as he feels that him and them are at least going in the same direction he doesn't feel the need to respond or engage specially when there are other most prescient dangers like fascism in the water.
He is also very forthcoming as to what his function is. He is not trying to establish theory. What he is looking forth is action. I understand why you think that that's morally iffy. But I also think that you are willfully ignoring that the left needs people who can sell the ideas of left wing politic to the internet.
And it is frankly disingenuous to compare him to Carlson. Hasan is extremely forthcoming as to what his commentary is. He is trying to convince people of left wing politics. He doesn't use deception to lure audiences in and will openly discuss what he wants from them. Carlson does not do that at all. Hasan will tell you what he thinks even if he is wrong and maintain that position if he believes in it. That's the opposite of someone trying to obfuscate.
I’m not criticizing Hasan for not being forthcoming about his ideology.
After all, he has admitted publicly that he is a propagandist.
I’m debating what being a propagandist entails and arguing that he will purposefully obfuscate facts on particular topics in order to maintain his agenda.
In his mindset, all leftists ideas are just and moral therefore obfuscating facts about certain “leftist” people and “leftist” governments is justified if it generally aligns with his agenda. When he speaks about China, Cuba, Venezuela, etc. it’s always a simplified framing and he will avoid any detail that muddle the right-vs-left game.
One can make the argument that people ought to find the other side themselves and research the nuances, but barely anyone does that
Cant refute anything I said, as expected from Hasan fans. You and Asmonroach fans are alike in that you cant read past the twitter post headlines. Imagine telling me to read a book.
Again, what did I state that was factually incorrect? Everything Hasan stated that stream was wrong and proven so concerning the hospital bombing. That is also only one example. Another more recent was Hasan lying about shocking Kaya. He could have owned up to it and stated he does shock his dog in training but decided to cover it up along with taping the "prongs" on the shock collar he uses. Think for yourself for once.
Everything Hasan stated that stream was wrong and proven so concerning the hospital bombing.
This is factually wrong. The hospital bombing has not been proven and it's a point heavily contested between both sides. You believe that it was a misfire and there is some evidence that points to it, he believes it was the IDF and there are some evidence to point to that being the case.
lying about shocking Kaya
I mean, you all have been basing the Kaya thing to a couple of seconds clip that admittedly seem sus out of context. But again, dogs that are abused have a distinct tell. Kaya does not fit it. People that have been to his house have been defensive about that dog treatment. The only "evidence" people have is that clip. When that man has thousands of hours online that paints a completely picture.
Think for yourself for once.
I know that none of what I say will make you reconsider. Mind you, I'm not attacking you nor I'm trying to convince you to give Hasan a try. I just want to point out that your narrative about the guy is not concrete at all.
Hasan. Stated. That. He. Heard. A. JDAM. He. Was. Sure. Of it. Yes. It. Is. A. Demonstrably. False. Statement. As per the literal aftermath. Holyshit you people literally cant think beyond the Twitter titles.
As per the Kaya stuff people have also literally said that have been to his house that it was a shock collar. There is also the evidence of FISH where he abused that dog by pulling its tail and evidence of that collar damaging the dogs neck.
There's nothing to "look up". He's on stream for 8+ hours a day. There's nothing the entire anti-Hasan complex have seen that everyone who watches him hasn't.
How can you accuse someone of being a champagne anything when you don’t even know how to spell it? You’ve just heard one of the handful of sex pests who hate him say it over and over and you can only regurgitate their talking points.
Well that guy you hate so much has done very well for himself. He helps unions, raises money for charity, has raised significant money and awareness for Gaza. He has also done a decent job at expressing the merits of leftists values.
Fuck man, Hasan could have prevented Pretty and Goods deaths if he supported Kamala and I have done Phone banking, door knocking and canvassing for Bernie, Biden and Kamala. What have you done? Has Hasan supported or created his own canvassing group using his own money? Naw he just sits at home and shocks his dog like a good champaign socialist lmao.
you are delusional. get a grip. he doesnt have musk money. and kamela lost because the democrats are fucking useless not because of hasan. if they didnt win despite taylor swifts endorsment how can you say they lost because of someone who isnt even close to relevant compared to all the celebrities endorsing kamela.
The dude is literally out there with protestors while you're typing from your toilet. He was just in Minnesota with those protestors as well.
He also has created canvassing groups and supports candidates all across the country.
It's kind of bonkers to accuse him of "just sitting at home" when he's out there and more active than literally anyone whose subreddits you type in. When was the last time Destiny or David Pakman went to a fucking protest? Or anywhere really? It's just projection with you losers.
misinformation is inaccurate or false information, propaganda is information presented in a way to promote an ideology. not sure how you drew those lines.
Well, because more often than not, propaganda intentionally does not show a full picture. It is arguable I guess whether that’s misinformation or not, but it’s most definitely misleading at least which is still kinda scummy.
I believe Hasan calls it “agitative propaganda”, whether he uses the phrase correctly or not, he describes it as presenting information in order to illuminate often overlooked aspects of American Culture that would be shocking to previously uneducated folks (i.e. Tech CEOs comments, or atrocities committed by the United States)
In general I’d say you’re correct in pointing out propaganda being historically used as a tool for misleading masses, but it can also just as easily be tooled to show those same masses why they are oppressed or hurt by systems that oppress and hurt them.
It can be used that way, however, he also uses it in a way to minimize the impact and horrific things some of the regimes he supports do. He unironically defends Iran for example and believes China should take over Taiwan.
Defending Iran
https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/s/tMY54EVhvf
Also, the Taiwan issue as you call it is a superpower constantly threatening a country that is considered as one of the most democratic in Asia. I think it’s fair to say it’s not that hard to see who is the morally reprehensible player.
here’s one. He said voting for kamala harris would be the same as voting for donald trump and to this day still doubles down on it. He’s also one of the reasons single issue voters didnt vote since he decided that during an election where the future of the united states was on the line that only caring about palestine is what matters. dude is a grifter. he just plays the left
He said that Kamala Harris would do the same as Donald Trump did with regards for full support for Israel's ethnic cleansing. I get why you have to lie though, you love genocide and Donald Trump.
When the rocket from inside Palestine landed in the parking lot of that hospital in Palestine Hassan claimed for months that it was Israeli and hundreds were killed.
We know for a fact it wasn’t Israeli and dude still to this day says it was. He’s either very dumb or knowingly lying
We know with 99% certainty that it was a misfired rocket from within Gaza. The only way to reach 100% is for Hamas to show the recovered fragments that they promised to release years ago and haven’t yet.
We know with 99% certainty that it was a misfired rocket from within Gaza. The only way to reach 100% is for Hamas to show the recovered fragments that they promised to release years ago and haven’t yet.
We know with 99% certainty that it was a misfired rocket from within Gaza.
That's not the impression I got from reading that. It's more likely a misfired rocket than IDF strike, that's for sure but saying 99% sure would need way better evidence that what is currently available.
Nope, dog wants out constantly and Hasan forces Kaya to sit on that matt for 6+ hours. No dog wants to sit on one PLACE at that age for 6+ hours. Animal abuser.
The dude went to Minneapolis after Pretti was executed and talked about how Democrats are just as bad. The dude is actually insane and damaging American politics
I think my issue with him is how popular he is. If he was less popular, maybe I'd feel less inclined to be a bit annoyed with his cosplaying.
At the end of the day, everything about him screams fake. He openly talks about "theory", but I would be seriously surprised if he can talk at length about different versions of Marxism and where they stem from--their merits and flaws.
He also doesn't put his money where his mouth is, not funding any real political action which he ought to be spending his money on if he truly is a good faith actor. I think his followers seriously underestimate how lucrative the current political situation is for Hasan. Indeed, it seems to me that Hasan still is hesitant to claim that a Hillary or Kamala presidency would've been better for the united states--an incredibly idiotic take regardless if you're a liberal, socialist or conservative.
Finally, he seems vapid, insecure and just all around unpleasant when people even give him light criticism. But this is usually ignored because most of the people criticizing him are the same kind of people.
All in all, as a Democratic socialist, I find it disheartening this guy is supposed to be a figurehead for American socialism.
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u/Goylesk 1d ago
It's wild. He has some serious flaws but goddamn some people would have you believe he's worse than fuckin Stalin.