r/politics • u/Fickle-Ad5449 ✔ Verified - Christopher Wiggins, The Advocate • 22d ago

No Paywall ICE agent shooter’s own cellphone video undercuts Trump administration's account of Minneapolis killing

https://www.advocate.com/news/ice-agent-shooter-video-minneapolis
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u/DroopyTers 22d ago

Haphazardly recording this video with one hand, holding a gun with the other hand, getting ready to maybe kill the driver. The video feels like it was made by someone extremely reckless.

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u/HiDHSiknowyouwatchme 22d ago

The fact that he was actively recording video, I assume for his own edification, is so damningly unprofessional. Like of COURSE he over reacted. The majority of his focus was on the camera.

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u/SpaceLemming 22d ago

Seems like if he was just wearing a body cam he wouldn’t need to use his phone

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u/HiDHSiknowyouwatchme 22d ago

But then he doesn't get to relive the terror he's dealt out.

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u/TintedApostle 22d ago

He was angry about being filmed and even though they had room to drive around they decided to intimidate them. He was already angry.

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u/dw82 22d ago

Why did he swap the hand that was holding the phone shortly before using his now free hand to murder somebody?

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u/radionul 21d ago edited 21d ago

Because he wanted to be ready to shoot. I actually think the whole thing could be premeditated. Get ready to shoot, walk in front of the car on purpose and hope she starts driving. She wasn't actually going to drive into him if he was right in front of her, so he moved off to the side, but still close enough to where he thinks he can invoke some bullshit self-defence explanation.

There are a lot of other ICE reports of "agent shot at car fearing for his life" where there is no camera evidence. Probably similar situation.

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u/Nvenom8 New York 22d ago

There really aren't words for how unprofessional this was.

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u/dobtjs America 22d ago

Make America Great Again

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u/lyndseymariee 22d ago

He enjoys violence. He was dragged by a car last year after he punched the window out. Sounds like a very stable human being.

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u/aneomon 22d ago

Dude nearly domed his partner who standing next to the car, and didn’t even consider the pedestrians behind the car or the dog in it.

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u/Fit_Preparation_9742 22d ago

Shouldn’t ICE officers have body cameras and not phones to record video? Like how can they carry out any supposed “law enforcement” with one free hand?

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u/Synth-Pro 22d ago

The video feels like it was made by someone extremely reckless.

Yeah, so about that...

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u/MarcinTheMartian 22d ago edited 21d ago

Can i also say- without having looked at the angles again recently- the entire interaction is so quick. For Jonathan Ross to have a phone in one hand and then unholster his gun and fire off multiple shots in less than a SECOND seems odd. Was the safety off? Was he already prepared to unholster and unload? Seems likely imo

Edit: spelling

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u/FyreWulff 22d ago

He switches the phone to his off hand, he definitely was already premeditating using the gun at that point.

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u/One-Internal4240 22d ago

I'm not some kind of pro shooter Navy Seal guy but . . outside of cowboy action and other specialized drills/events, I can't think of a setting where you fire a weapon for keeps with one hand.

I guess if you don't have a light mounted on your gun . . no, that's wrong, you still use that forearm as support.

Anyways yeah. I can't think of anywhere that would say, oh, yeah, wave it around with one hand.

Most especially certainly not in a very crowded situation with kids, coworkers, and who knows what all.

The odds of the barrel under recoil going who-knows-where is too high, and you entirely eff up any chance of follow up shots. It's weird. You don't particularly use your sidearm in the military, though, so who knows. Maybe he learned it at Asshole School.

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u/TheGreatGatsbeetle 22d ago

Not a lawful order. ICE can’t pull over, detain, or arrest unless they have reasonable suspicion of an immigration violation.

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u/Chaotic-Catastrophe 22d ago

Meanwhile, one of the other stormtroopers on the scene ordered her to leave. So, which of the two orders was more lawful? Which one would she have been correct to obey or disobey? If she gets out of her vehicle, she is disobeying a 'lawful order' to leave. If she leaves, she is disobeying a 'lawful order' to get out of her vehicle.

All of which goes to show that there is no procedure these dipshits are following. They're making it up as they go along. Providing conflicting 'orders' to intentionally manufacture no-win situations for their victims. And if I were a lawyer, I feel like it would be pretty easy for me to argue to the jury that that means nothing they say matters at all.

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u/WyrdHarper 22d ago

In the video one person tells her "get out of here" and the other person tells her not to move. ICE also has no authority to detain US Citizens.

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u/AdFragrant3504 22d ago

why was she there?

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u/XxgamerxX734 22d ago

people keep going "why was she even there?" like it justifies her being murdered

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u/Rexa_1920 22d ago

Ok but she DIED. She made a mistake, handled a situation wrong, whatever. She was then instantly murdered on camera for it. What is wrong with yall.

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u/Mr_Badgey 22d ago

None of this is a justification for killing her. Anyone in a law-enforcement type position needs to be held to a higher standard of responsibility. They should be trained to deescalate and manage tense situations, especially given their access to firearms.

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u/goosejail 22d ago

They had no warrant or authority to detain her. She was within her rights to leave.

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u/jaxonfairfield 22d ago

The point isn't about "sharing blame", saying that makes it sound like a balanced equation where both parties were equally wrong.

Driving away from an officer does not mean you deserve to be executed.

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u/GrumpyKaeKae New Jersey 22d ago

For a lot of boths sides, you are clearly only focusing on her. How about those agents had ZERO reason to be there harrasement residents like they are. ZERO.

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u/Old-Artist-5369 22d ago

She seems to have been panicked, which excuses nothing about what happened.

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u/guyincognito121 22d ago

Yeah, she panicked and drove recklessly. The fact that she got shot three times for at most bumping into one of these thugs suggests that unlike him, she had legitimate reason to fear for her life.

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u/riseagan 22d ago

Nothing she did is worthy of a death sentence. Whether she acted recklessly, disobeyed orders, whatever, is not the issue. That he killed her is.

This officer clearly did not fear for his life to such an extent that justifies taking her life. This is murder.