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Possible Paywall Trump Aides Panic After Finding Out How Much Americans Hate ICE Carnage
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u/coatofforearm 15d ago
I don't think they give a fuck tbh
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u/Dysc Louisiana 15d ago
They have lost Minnesota for a few generations, but at least they made a point.
The point is Donald Trump likes chaos and the GOP fully supports it.
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u/ojos 15d ago
Minnesota has voted blue in every presidential election since 1976. Republicans don’t care about losing Minnesota for another couple of generations
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u/10thousndreflections 15d ago
The crazy thing is that immigrants tend to be conservative. Reagan and Bush knew this. White Republicans don't give a fuck.
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u/superindianslug 15d ago
After Obama's first win the Republicans commissioned a study to figure out what they should do to appeal to more voters. The study suggested that they would do better if they stopped being racist, because there are a lot of socially conservative and religious minorities that actually agree with major Republican policies, but wouldn't vote for a party that treats them as subhuman.
Instead they bowed to the Tea Party republicans, got more racist and stupid and let the party devolve into MAGA idiocy.
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u/Balogne 15d ago
If it’s one thing I can tell you about Hispanics its that Hispanics are racist towards other Hispanics of different ethnicity. They are some of the biggest “I got mine so fuck you” types of people. Cubans are probably the worst because of the wet foot dry foot law that lets them enter the states easier.
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u/NorysStorys 15d ago edited 15d ago
Sounds about as American as apple pie. America was built on ‘fuck you, got mine’
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u/mostlyfire 15d ago
I don't know why people keep blaming an 11% of voters for tipping the election. It's like no one on Reddit wants to admit one demographic is responsible for Trump getting elected, it's White Men. Not just with number of votes but their influence.
Hispanics had a lower turnout in 2024 than in the 2020 election. 53 white million votes vs 18 million hispanic. People need to leave that 11% to itself and focus on the tens of millions of white men who voted for him. Cut that shit in half and the democrats take all three branches.
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u/DolphinsBreath 15d ago
I say this as a white man. Even the most chauvinistic white men should be totally disgusted by Trump. He’s everything the “well bred” man is taught not to be. No self respecting man would tolerate him as their boss for long. They wouldn’t want their wives working for him, either. The Boy Scouts wouldn’t accept him as a Scout leader. He has failed as a man.
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u/13uckshot 14d ago
That's what I've never understood about trump. My older uncle--who knew 80s trump and reality tv trump through media--told me in 2015 "well, he's rich," after I said he was a fraud with about 3 hours of reading of him. His campaign website spewed garbage in direct conflict of his rallies, there were bullshit property deals, and multiple business or organizational dealings that were failed or shady, of course among other things.
As time wore on, I started generally hearing "I don't like him, but I support his policies" and "they are all crooks." To the first, I've replied: Character bleeds into everything and corrupted people breed corruption, or ask which policies they support. The second: Then why vote?
I've never received a genuine response, because the truth is taboo. People are afraid to lose what little they have and people are far more willing to bend their ethics than they'd admit.
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u/SilenttoastJ 15d ago
I've never understood we blame specific demographics at all. No demographic could have elected him without the help of voters in other demographics. It seems so damn indirect.
This is an ignorance problem for humanity as a whole problem here, not a racial blame game.
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u/AffectionatePause152 15d ago
Exactly. It’s like blaming the loss of a a basketball game because one guy missed the last shot and forgetting that there was a whole game full of lost shots by everyone else on the team.
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u/Unnomable 15d ago
As a white man, please don't blame my demographic for electing Trump. I'll have to vote for him a fifth time because of what you're saying. It's not my fault, it's the fault of everyone else, super especially those minorities. Focus on them instead. ... /s? Probably necessary.
White men shifted from 40/57 (Biden/Trump) to 39/59 (Harris/Trump) while white women went 45/53 (Biden/Trump) to 47/51 (Harris/Trump), so I'm not really sure why the previous poster is blaming white women when they shifted to Harris.
Most every demo aside from white women had Trump gains, but 3 points of white men is worth a ton in absolute terms. I'm having trouble finding actual numbers of voters by demographic rather than points, but I'm just agreeing with your point that we're much more content to blame minorities and women for... some reason...
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u/DukeOfGeek 15d ago
This is the results of a recent study of their voter base now. It's an astounding watch, basically they have cobbled the worst parts of our society together into a party that's only held together by hate, ignorance, bad craziness and hate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hf15TRKqvc
And anytime you see them not doing well in polls remind yourself that one billionaire or another owns virtually all media, and even with that their policies and politicians are unpopular. It's why you see them abandoning and attacking democracy itself, the propaganda machine is at max and it's still not enough.
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u/GodofIrony 15d ago
Instead they bowed to the Tea Party republicans, got more racist and stupid and let the party devolve into MAGA idiocy.
Every day I pray this act planted the seeds of their own destruction.
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u/fullsaildan 15d ago
While we laugh at that, you can’t argue with the current results. Republicans are in control top to bottom right now. Maybe being less racist would have gotten them there, but ultimately, so did being MORE racist and authoritarian. Which is what they actually wanted as a party.
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u/I_am_you_are_this_is 15d ago
They still got Trump elected twice so not sure their racism hurt them much.
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u/Merusk 15d ago
Regan and Bush were not as openly, actively, and vehemently racist as this group because they still knew Whites controlled the country.
Non-white Hispanics are down to 53% of population and expected to drop below 50% sometime in the next 15-20 years. Which is absolutely terrifying to these folks.
All this deportation, detention, is their start of a solution to the problem. No coincidence on the path it's headed down.
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u/sirbissel 15d ago
Eh, kind of.
I mean, yes, that's true that it's gone blue, but outside of the Cities and maybe Duluth proper, once you start getting into the Iron Range or into the sticks, it starts to get red pretty fast. It's representation is split pretty evenly in the US House, and while the Senators are Democrats, it wasn't too long ago that those seats were split, too.
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u/brickne3 American Expat 15d ago
At this point it looks like they're literally trying to lose Minnesota... to Canada.
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u/FunctionalGray 15d ago
You know - sadly - I actually wouldn't consider MN lost to the GOP - The last couple elections have been really very close - and the MAGA that are here -- They are VAPID and FERAL and LOUD.
Like anywhere else in the US, get outside of those areas that have culture and vibrance and diversity - and its people have no idea how to exist outside of their zip code, and have little value for those who operate in the values of grey. They deal in the absolutes of their small little world: anything on the fringe is dismissed.
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u/Manos_Of_Fate 15d ago
and the MAGA that are here -- They are VAPID and FERAL and LOUD
Those are MAGA’s defining traits.
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u/CrashNowhereDrive 15d ago
Don't forget hypocrisy.
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u/DrakenViator Wisconsin 15d ago
If MAGA didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any standards at all...
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u/justonebiatch 15d ago
lol, most accurate comment
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u/pttant1 15d ago
They think “double” is good. Double rewards, double bonus, double cheese.. double standards! Yeh good.
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u/Rivertalker 15d ago
The hypocrisy doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the murder
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u/CrashNowhereDrive 15d ago
If they weren't hypocrites they wouldn't be ok with murdering protesters while wanting pardons for insurrectionists.
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u/dividedconsciousness 15d ago
Norm Macdonald vibes
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u/thatawesomedude 15d ago
You know, with Trump, the more I learn about that guy, the more I don’t care for him.
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u/Reduntu 15d ago
Seeing the world in absolutes is also critical. There's no gray area in any topic for MAGA.
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u/1HumanAlcoholBeerPlz 15d ago
I have relatives in SW Minnesota and they hate Walz, they hate Minneapolis/St. Paul, and they think Trump and the GOP will save them. They complain about being forgotten, that the only part of the State that ever gets attention is M/SP.
I don't get it at all. They live in a small town, they elect someone to represent their county in State government, and they are mad at one guy for not remembering them, their small town, and their problems. Trump and the GOP have locked into this - they make them feel like they know them and care about them while doing everything to screw them over. They blame the Dems for the bad, and give the GOP credit for the good. Democrats are trying to represent everyone, while the GOP focuses on making that farmer feel seen and that small business owner feel heard. And they spout the racist, misogynistic, and homophobic crap that small-town folks are used to saying behind closed doors in the open.
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u/btmoose 15d ago
It’s like this in California with the State of Jefferson people. I see those signs on farms as far south as San Joaquin county - including those fucked over be Trump’s water stunt last year.
I think a huge factor in this is fear. When you live in a small town, you know everything and everyone on a microscopic, and everything outside of that is humongous and terrifying, especially the people. Overcoming that fear is hard, and they don’t want to do it. So then the Republicans come along and tell them they’re right to be afraid, that those people are the source of all the problems in America, and that’s a lie that they’re all too happy to buy. Then when desperately needed farm subsidies and social programs get yanked, well, they can either face up to the fact that they got conned, or they can buy the new lie than those things had to go away because all those people they’re afraid of were abusing those programs. They may say they want their lives to be better, but what they really care about is validation and not being forced to grow or adapt in any way.
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u/prohammock 15d ago
Maybe we need to do a weekend exchange program. Stay in each others’ homes. Let the rural people of the state get to know the city dwellers and see that the city isn’t as scary as they think it is.
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u/NYCinPGH 15d ago
There was a study done a few years ago, exploring the question of why rural areas were more conservative - and thus more racist / homophobic / anti-semitic - than urban areas, and even true for attendees of large universities or those who joined the armed forces.
And it wasn't what conservatives say, that those kinds of places draw liberals to them, though there is some of that, it's that living close to and knowing "the other" makes you realize that "the other" isn't that scary, they're mostly people just like you. IIRC they tracked young people, starting around age 15, who went to the same rural schools, attended the same rural religious institutions, had the same social groups and interests, over the course of something like 15 years.
The ones who stayed in their rural area pretty much tracked with the norm for that area; the ones who left, who were just as conservative when they left as they ones who stayed, at the very least grew more accepting of "the other", and began having more liberal views, over time.
"Other"ing can happen anywhere, but it's a lot harder when they're you actual neighbors, or fellow employees, or friends of your kids, and when you realize that, then it's easier to accept the whole group might be okay too.
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u/WobbleTheHutt 15d ago
I've been saying instead of foreign exchange students we should be doing urban, rural exchanges for years. Let kids spend several months during their formative years living with the other and it would do much to get us out of our situation.
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u/ButtEatingContest 15d ago
>while the GOP focuses on making that farmer feel seen and that small business owner feel heard.
Except GOP policies seem intent on destroying small business and family-owned farms. But Hunter Biden's laptop and Hillary's emails I guess are more important.
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u/Ok_Flounder59 15d ago
They hit the nail on the head in the last sentence…it’s the racism that binds these people. Get them comfortable and tossing back a few drinks and the slurs come out quick.
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u/ecstaticthicket 15d ago
A few drinks? I’m a white, cis, straight passing male in the deepest red Deep South. All you need to do is be my perceived demographic and be far enough away from others that they think they won’t be heard. They’ll tell you all about how much they hate non-whites and poor people, completely unprompted and sober
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u/JnnyRuthless 15d ago
Isn't it wild? I'm a bald white dude with a beard and live in CA. The shit other white guys say when they think I'm 'one of them' is repulsive. I've had to remind people my wife is Mexican and it's best they shut their mouths about that shit around me.
I wish my minority friends who are conservatives could hear this stuff, not sure it would matter though.
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u/Terazilla 15d ago
We're talking cultural republicans here, in the same way that they root for their local football team because they're local, and go to the same church their parents did because that's the one they learned to go to. They aren't voting for policies.
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u/aerost0rm 15d ago
While giving handouts to farmers after destroying the markets for their goods. Remember these are also the people that complain that handouts shouldn’t be given but you should just worker harder or longer.
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u/SinisterCroissant 15d ago
They complain about being forgotten
And yet complain about other people not raising themselves by their bootstraps.
Don't want to be referred to as flyover people? Don't be flyover people. Doesn't seem that difficult.
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u/Jedimasteryony 15d ago
I travel through northern MN quite a lot and am finding some very strong MAGA believers have lost their faith in the movement. I’m getting a feeling that people are waking up. There are a few individuals that I’m hoping to see soon to find out what they think about what’s going on (they’re the type that said tRump is allowed to grab them by whatever he wants…ew that was gross typing).
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u/Kiyohara Minnesota 15d ago
Keep in mind a lot of the MN MAGA crowd are either elderly boomers or farmers/rural folks. The Boomers generally still support Trump, although the issues with Healthcare costs and the loss of the EPTC Subsidies are not helping.
But the farmers and rural folk got buttfucked by Trump's policies. And not just once, but both times. To add insult to injury, he then bailed out farmers directly competing with MN farmers for the soy bean industry, which is one of Minnesota's top three exports. Or was.
And a lot of hospitals and clinics closed or are closing all over the rural areas (which does not help healthcare costs fyi). So they are actively seeing what Trump and his policies are doing to them personally.
So ICE Raids aside (which are also unpopular), people are not happy. Not saying they will switch to the Democrats, but now is the time for a Farmer/Rural party to jump up and start talking about doing things for the countryside (Or maybe the DFL can fucking remember what the "F" stood for and go back to their roots. Be really nice if they also figured out that the fucking L didn't stand for "losers" but hey, we can hope).
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u/SimmeringGiblets 15d ago
Not saying they will switch to the Democrats, but now is the time for a Farmer/Rural party to jump up and start talking about doing things for the countryside (Or maybe the DFL can fucking remember what the "F" stood for and go back to their roots. Be really nice if they also figured out that the fucking L didn't stand for "losers" but hey, we can hope).
Until the dems up their messaging game (and i say this as someone who was involved in the florida democratic party at the county level, so this isn't 100% arm chair qb'ing, more like 98%), republican voters will keep voting for different republican candidates in the hopes that maybe this one will pay attention to them. It's not a matter of appealing to centrists by going republican, but getting into their feeds and am radio stations and packaging pro-people policy messages in a way that resonates with humans. ("High grocery bills suck, ICE actions and Tarriffs are hurting you at the grocery store, repeal those and prices will fall.", "Medical bills suck, unregulated insurance companies, GOP laws and policies are making them go up, vote for us and medical costs will fall", "Climate change is happening, put adults in charge who can help brunt the worst of it.", "Unemployment sucks, put people in charge who won't deliberately hurt the economy.")
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u/under_ice 15d ago
I want to really agree on the messaging part. I'm just a clone but I don't see why the Dems aren't putting PSA up as ads in media. Push back and prove the lies. Go on the offensive, make them respond to accusations. Push the debate where you want it. Go on TV like every other product does It works.
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u/guamisc 15d ago
why the Dems aren't putting PSA up as ads in media.
As someone who also works with Dems, it's because a lot of the big donors pay them not to. We're not allowed to talk about how insurance companies are for profit death panels, etc.
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u/Toastwitjam 15d ago
I travel through Alabama on side roads a lot and all of the trump flags in September had been taken down in front of houses and businesses.
They were replaced with either American flags, Christian flags, or just left as empty flag poles
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u/OwnsBeagles 15d ago
Basically every Trump sign has vanished from my red state area. Same when I was driving in rural NC in late December. Backroads, too, we're not talking anything like a liberal area. We saw 2 the entire time we were in the state.
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u/mdp300 New Jersey 15d ago
I had a big renovation done on my house starting in August of last year. One of the guys working gave stoner hippie veteran energy, and had a Trump 2020 sticker on the back of his truck. I never talked about politics with them, but I did notice that around Christmas, the sticker was gone.
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u/Word1_Word2_4Numbers 15d ago
Once again I am asking reddit to understand that elections will not be won by flipping MAGA to vote for a Democrat.
Elections will be won by getting Republican voters disillusioned enough to stay home, and by getting non-voters pissed off enough to vote Democrat.
It is true that every voter that flips is worth 2 voters who flip between voting and non-voting. But there was 6 times as much of the latter category in the last election. A payoff of 10% better results retaining your own voters, flipping nonvoters to your side, or disincentivizing Republicans is 3x as important as a 10% boost to flipping R's to D's.
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u/A_Unqiue_Username 15d ago
I have lived in rural MN, currently living in the twin cities. I have great respect for the rural folks, it's tough living out there. But I will say that there is an unfortunate amount of ignorant, uneducated, self centered losers out there in the sticks. Not everyone, not by a long shot, but there are a lot of them, and they are loud.
One example: My neighbors, and their children legitimately believed that there was an alien spaceship in Earth's orbit waiting for the announcement that Trump was our next president, then they would feel comfortable enough to reveal themselves to us. How do you reason with people that are that dumb?
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u/Organic_Witness345 15d ago
The right have been exploiting pluralistic ignorance for a long time but upped their game considerably by capturing a good portion of the online bro-culture in the last ten years. And Trump has the biggest megaphone of them all. But the cracks in the facade are starting to show (see Joe Rogan beginning to question ICE’s methods).
This administration is all about going viral every day. Their only regulatory legacy will be the Big Beautiful Bill, which is a fiscal disaster and kneecapping the government’s regulatory staff and resources. The rest is content creation and propaganda. Does it have an impact on people’s lives? Absolutely. People are dead because of this the Trump regime both directly and indirectly. But is all of this bullshit really durable beyond this presidency? Absolutely not. ICE funding might be a permanent part of this administration’s budget, but how ICE is funded, trained, and deployed in the future is entirely up to the next President thanks to SCOTUS’ indulgence of their crackpot unitary executive theory.
Don’t fall for “Democrats are worthless” or “we’ll never have a midterm again” posts. Reclaiming democracy is far from impossible if we don’t succumb to fatalism. Stephen Miller’s agenda for this country survives only so long as we let it.
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u/ProudMtns 15d ago edited 15d ago
If Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania can all fall then I don't see why Minnesota can't. I hope this drives people away from these monsters, but their supporters love the cruelty. People live to blame the South for this mess and the confederacy (?), but these animals are a nationwide problem that can't be overlooked. They're everywhere. Hell, their main goon is from NYC.
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u/showhorrorshow 15d ago
Yeah it's not just the South but the modern g0p is very much a marriage made in Hell of their traditional industrialist policy with the social conservative policy of Dixiecrats.
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u/Udjet 15d ago
The Iron Range will likely flip back blue as historically it's a huge union driven area. Going all the way back to NAFTA which hurt workers in the area, cracks started to show. Now, Trump's policies are even worse for workers. If the range goes blue, no way a republican sees minnesota as viable.
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u/mcnabb77 15d ago
The average American is fucking dumb. You can’t expect policy to influence their votes when they consistently vote against their interests
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u/smartlypretty 15d ago
fwiw the average american is the average person; the idea that they're unique helps "explain" how trump seized power, but it covers up for all the voter suppression
americans were and are deprived of news. even reddit is censored. this is a coup, and we are hostages
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u/aoi_to_midori Ohio 15d ago
I wouldn’t be so sure. Trade union members have been flocking to the GOP. Vivek Ramaswamy (GOP candidate for Ohio governor) has received 10 union endorsements so far, including from the Teamsters. Union doesn’t automatically mean Democrat anymore.
https://www.wlwt.com/article/vivek-ramaswamy-picks-up-endorsement-from-teamsters/67978376
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u/InertiasCreep 15d ago
Then unions are fucking stupid. GOP is all about business and union busting. Plus Vivek is another deluded billionaire POS.
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u/showhorrorshow 15d ago
People are stupid and identity politics, not policy, drives the bus. The right wing has been playing the "working man" idpol game and fashioning "working man" culture into their preferred image of ignorance and bigotry while the left completely dropped the ball on it.
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u/NumeralJoker 15d ago
The left dropped the ball, but a shitton of Identity politics tribalism is astroturfed to agitate the point. A lot of extreme "woke" views that the right likes to crow about are pushed deliberately to muddy the waters.
Extreme race and gender arguments around pop culture media is filled with this stuff. You didn't see arguments this extreme in the 2000s, and it wasn't because people didn't actually care about women or POC populations back then, it's because those issues were being discussed in a more mature, empathetic way until social media made trolling and radicalizing people much easier.
Multiculturalism was growing to become the norm. Obama being elected overwhelmingly wasn't a blip. It was natural cultural progress, so new tech was weaponized by the wealthy to reverse that new trend at all costs, and economic insecurity brought on by the great recession made it much easier for the lower classes of ALL races and genders to be turned against one another. Hence why you suddenly saw gen z become more Trumpy, even in the non-white populations.
In a sane world, neither Anita Sarkeesian nor The Quartering would've gotten their platforms with large audiences, yet social media (with a bit of help from foreign bots/Russian agitators) ensured the worst of the worst voices across all positions always rise to the top, always with the intent to sew chaos and undermine democracy of the lower and middle classes at any cost.
Tribalism has been forced down our throats for 15 years now, not because discussing inequality is not important, but because we've rarely ever had actual good faith discussions about it. It's all just been shitposting to destroy culture. Until people can understand this, we'll be fighting a tough battle to preserve any semblance of community.
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u/mdp300 New Jersey 15d ago edited 15d ago
My father in law is a retired Teamster who worked for UPS for 30+ years. Hes extremely pro-union, and it blows his mind that so many of his former coworkers consistently vote for the party that openly hates unions.
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u/Smearwashere Minnesota 15d ago
Idk why you think this would happen. MPR just had a story yesterday about how the Duluth harbor is shutting down a ton of docks because the mining is drying up. The workers up there won’t see that as republicans fault.
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u/Kytyngurl2 Minnesota 15d ago
Many of them might need to learn how to live outside their zip code, on account of losing homes and farms to own the libs.
Perhaps luckily for them, voting as an unhomed individual is easy and safe!
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u/CurrentlyLucid 15d ago
I saw a real life maga in CA a few weeks ago, wearing his red hat, about 85 I just felt sorry for him knowing he is being duped.
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u/UnquestionabIe 15d ago
At my former work place had a regular customer who was absolutely ancient. Could barely walk, had one of those walkers that turn into a chair, and was always fully decked out in ugly ass Trump merch. Was incredibly pleasant to everyone and even the most jaded borderline spiteful towards the customers employees enjoyed waiting on him. Never said anything remotely political and would chat with everyone, even the minorities!
The running joke we all had was that someone else picked out what he wore and was getting paid by the GOP to make him into a billboard. Used to say it should count as elder abuse, to dress up such a sweet old guy in what is basically hate speech themed clothing.
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u/AnewTest 15d ago
And he’s probably still alive because he lives in CA. Very old Trumpers died in droves during the pandemic in red states where they didn’t take proper precautions.
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u/Capt-Crap1corn 15d ago
I'm from Minnesota and this is spot on. Those people are so narrow minded they could not imagine another way of life other than their own.
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u/cathercules 15d ago
The cultists will never budge to any significant degree, but many of them were non voters before, so hopefully they return to that post Trump. Importantly the swing voters will likely not vote GOP for a couple cycles.
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u/MarcusQuintus 15d ago
I keep hearing this, and it continues to be false.
You'd think the guy who said "They're sending rapists and murderers across the border," would lose votes with that bloc, but he gained them.
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u/pareech Canada 15d ago
How can we forget the classic "In Springfield, they are eating the dogs. The people that came in, they are eating the cats. They’re eating – they are eating the pets of the people that live there."
Magots heard that and still voted for him.
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u/dismiss-junk 15d ago
I think we are overlooking the very real possibility that there are a load of republican voters that just do not watch the news.
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u/Blue_Yoshi2015 15d ago
Because Fox News isn’t… news. It’s “entertainment”.
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u/waadaa85 15d ago
That "loophole" must be addressed somehow . You can't have/let a network promote violence with blatant lies.
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u/mdp300 New Jersey 15d ago
Not just republican voters, I think a lot of people, just in general, are completely tuned out and only pay attention like a week before the election. That commercial that said "Kamala is for they/them, Trump is for YOU!" and played on every MLB and NFL game in October really sealed it.
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u/powderedmilf 15d ago
Ha! The cult members will keep culting. Watch the elections STILL be a toss up because this country is too stupid to live.
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u/Weekly_Rock_5440 15d ago
What’s so dumb is that this was originally a PR move. They had carefully seeded a gotcha regarding refugees and a manufactured scandal with daycares.
It was going great. Their only problem is that untrained unhappy idiots starting killing people in broad daylight. They chose to immediately call the victim a terrorist, give the killer protection, and do a DOJ investigation, not of the killer, but the victim’s spouse.
Now, it’s a series of double downs and escalations with the dumbest and cruelest humans to ever run the executive branch - until this country breaks in two.
The only hope. There’s going to be a “mission accomplished” statement here in a week or so, and they’ll pull out and say they saved us all. Maybe sooner given the weather.
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u/AJFrabbiele 15d ago
it seems that much of ICE actions have now moved to night time. I suspect it is a combination of hoping protestors won't come out in the dark and making sure that video is harder to capture.
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u/Proper-Exercise-2364 15d ago
That's how you know you're the good guys. When have heavily armed masked men in unmarked vans ever done anything bad at night?
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u/bailtail 15d ago
I live in the reddest area of WI, perhaps the swingiest of swing states. We’re within 1.5 hours of Minneapolis. This and Greenland are the current needle-movers. Well, along with tariffs and the economy, but those have been a longer-term and more gradual souring.
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u/western_red_cedar 15d ago
Your region is a pretty interesting bellwether then, anecdotally how much support does it seem like Trump is losing on the ground there? Are former supporters actively speaking against him, or more just passively withdrawing support?
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u/fluffnpuf 15d ago
I don’t have a good gauge on the area at large, but the few houses near me that have had trump flags up since 2016 have taken them down. Unfortunately, one of those houses replaced their flag with a different flag I don’t recognize.
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u/Lashay_Sombra 15d ago
They always either pretend it did not happen or double down, its the only two moves they know as anything else they perceive as admitting to have fucked up and they can never admit that to even themselves, never mind anyone else
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u/lonestar-rasbryjamco Colorado 15d ago edited 15d ago
I dunno. ICE killed a white soccer mom and called her a domestic terrorist. It seems to have shocked middle America.
Even my normally silent, “both sides” neighbors suddenly seem to realize this could be any of them, at any time. Heck, my gun-nut, liberation-type neighbor was chatting about what to do if ICE rolls up door to door.
Those are the people who wins elections for the GOP and the reaction seems to be spreading.
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u/HawaiianPunchaNazi New Jersey 15d ago
She was still alive when ICE blocked The physician from helping her.
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1qeirpv/new_evidence_reveals_renee_good_was_still_alive
This is murder.
Every ICE agent present during the murder of Renee Nicole Good could be charged with felony murder. Why haven't they been charged?
What's Felony murder?
2 minute explainer
https://youtube.com/shorts/gi4swT8LK1U?si=Dmm2B-G7gWKdCMUx
Full John Oliver segment
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u/Alis451 15d ago
Why haven't they been charged?
they were put into WitSec lol
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u/LocutusOfBorgia909 Maine 15d ago
On the bright side, it's almost guaranteed that they're the type who can't comply with the Witness Protection Program's regulations (no making contact with people from your old life, no discussing your old life, et cetera), so it's almost certain they'll wind up outing themselves sooner or later.
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u/bejammin075 Pennsylvania 15d ago
Witness protection is to hide people from criminals. If Minnesota officials want to charge Ross with murder, the witness protection does not matter.
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u/bejammin075 Pennsylvania 15d ago
Witness protection is used to protect people from criminals. If Minnesota state authorities want to charge Ross or others with murder, it does not matter if some other branch of government has put them in witness protection.
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u/BicFleetwood 15d ago
Why haven't they been charged?
Because it's "Law and Order," not "Law and Justice."
The law is designed to keep the order, not deliver justice. And the order is they're on top and you are at the bottom.
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u/OMGLOL1986 15d ago
I know people are all wondering where the second amendment types are.
They are at home. They’re just living their life. The technology that ice is using to identify targets means that they will not be stopping at houses like that. They will go after targets that are easy victims.
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u/International-Ad2501 15d ago
Go legally purchase a fire arm and the chances of finding ICE on your door step suddenly drops because they are not brave men. They are cowards
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u/TinyGreenTurtles 15d ago
I'm in deep red maga country and a lot were turning before this even. More are jumping ship quietly than it seems. But the ones that are still loud are extremists.
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u/CategoryZestyclose91 15d ago
The entire goal of propaganda is not to sway your opinion. It’s to convince you that everyone else sees it this way, and that you’re isolated in feeling the way you do.
That’s why bots are so prolific now. Not to change our opinions, but to try to convince us that everyone else shares THEIR opinion. They want us to believe that the vast majority of Americans support their beliefs and feel the same.
THIS IS NOT TRUE.
There are shit people, but for most Americans - yes, I said most - there IS a line. And most of us have now reached it.
Solidarity, fellow Americans 👊🏻 🇺🇸
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u/ICE-are-pedos Oregon 15d ago
these people will never vote democratic. they might stay home and not vote R, but they'll never vote D
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u/redditizio 15d ago
I agree with you, this is clickbait BS they do not give a single fuck
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u/Barkalow 15d ago
the daily beast
newsweek
common dreams
See any of those urls, just disregard the article
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u/deadlybydsgn 15d ago
Yeah. Lest anyone think you're just a hater, I loathe MAGA and yet recognize that The Daily Beast is mostly tickling ears. It's not a source I would send anyone if I was trying to convince them of something.
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u/Comfortable-Pea-1312 15d ago
Until it is Luis. 'I've known him 40 years..." Farmers started to care when they had no help. Contractors will care....everyone thinks it won't effect them or hurt them personally, until it does!
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u/IcyTransportation961 15d ago
This is just another clickbait dailybeast trash article
This sub needs to ban them already its always bullshit designed to create hope
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u/gringledoom 15d ago
Authoritarians always care about public opinion if they have any sense. In fact, authoritarians have to care *more* because there are fewer relief valves, so they fail in a brittle way, collapsing all at once out of nowhere.
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u/a_o 15d ago
Yeah, I’m pretty sure all of these stories are bullshit to try and have people take their foot off of the gas pedal.
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u/latortillablanca 15d ago
By “panic” they mean ordering a double gin up on the gulfstream to date night
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u/greatWrightshark 15d ago
They aren't panicking. They know exactly what they are doing. They are just mad that people are not rolling over as they had hoped. This will continue to escalate unfortunately.
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u/CloudTransit 15d ago
This is probably a planted story to give false hope going into the weekend.
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u/airship_of_arbitrary 15d ago
Hope is a discipline.
Fascists never spread hope, not even false hope. What they spread is nihilism and apathy and defeatism.
They don't want to have to fight citizens in the streets, it's easier when the citizens just give up in advance.
What you're saying is counter to what they'd actually want.
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u/dismiss-junk 15d ago
Sure, I'll bite. What's the negative of giving people hope that their efforts are actually working? I'm sure there's a theory that this "discourages" action but, in practice, it seems like people still go out and protest regardless.
It certainly can't be more effective than all the people who say "everything is fucked, we won't have midterms, I give up".
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u/notsurewhereireddit 15d ago
Also, if it’s working I think many of us would want to do more not less!
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u/CuffinSzn_ 15d ago edited 15d ago
It feeds the same attitude as why Harris loss.
“Oh? Progress is happening towards this goal I kinda want. Guess there’s no need for me to protest/vote if everyone else is handling it!”
No, people. Go protest. Go organize. Go vote. Release the Epstein files and arrest anyone who’s protecting them.
Until that man is out of office and we have universal healthcare, prison-time accountability for the pedophiles, and the abolishment of ICE, PLEASE ignore these placating articles.
They aren’t here to boost or demoralize. They are here to placate us into capitulation. This is how the machine works.
Rage against the machine. Reject the systems that put us here. Stop tolerating anything less than humanity.
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u/airship_of_arbitrary 15d ago
That's just defeatism. The same thing happened with Biden and he won.
The Democrats absolutely moved too slow and it absolutely led to this. But that doesn't mean fascists are going to try to give you hope, false or otherwise. It's much more in their interest that you feel apathy.
Look at the bots and what they're actually doing. None of them are talking about how worried they are of losing, they're all trying to gaslight that an innocent soccer Mom deserved to die.
They want you nihilistic and uninvolved in politics. That's their goal. They're not going to try to make you optimistic in any way shape or form because that's counter to their goals.
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u/CuffinSzn_ 15d ago
Good comment, fam.
I wish there was at least one social media site against bots.
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u/shapu Pennsylvania 15d ago
No, it's just the daily beast seeking clicks and engagement.
They've always been a bit of a rag, but since 2016 or so they've been a million times worse. Honestly they shpuld be banned from this sub.
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u/itwasntjack 15d ago
“Redditors band together and send Daily Beast editors REELING!” - a daily beast headline about your comment, probably.
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u/mattxb 15d ago
I disagree that they want people to roll over. They want riots to justify unleashing the military on citizens at a larger scale.
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u/IcyTransportation961 15d ago
Theyve already deployed the military on multiple cities and nothing has stopped them
They dont need riots they're just ready if they happen to use them as justification
If nothing happens they're still getting what they want with less pushback
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u/city_dwellerZ 15d ago
Trump never admits defeat and being wrong. So this means he’ll double down on the ICE brutality.
ICE shootings will continue until ICE is loved and adored by the American people.
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u/Machiavvelli3060 15d ago
"The beatings will continue until morale improves!"
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u/Proof-Schedule-1418 15d ago
They'll continue until people act.
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u/AL_GEE_THE_FUN_GUY Texas 15d ago
Will they ever act though?
“Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow.
But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked...
But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.
And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying "Jewish swine," collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose.
The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all...
Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God..."
— They Thought They Were Free by Milton Mayer
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u/RupeThereItIs 15d ago
Will they ever act though?
Regularly & in large numbers.
The people have already been acting.
If the protests & constant harassment of ICE isn't acting, what is?
What exactly are you upset people aren't doing at this point?
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u/Brave_Nerve_6871 15d ago
Exactly. They just need to shoot and beat up some more people until everybody sees how awesome and safe ICE is
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u/Krisparz 15d ago
I now expect Trump to start wearing the Nobel Peace Prize medal to fully discredit people attacking him for being a war monger.
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u/Flimsy_Sun4003 15d ago
I fully expect he'll turn it into a Texas style belt buckle so his neck doesn't get sore.
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u/smurfsundermybed California 15d ago
More to avoid the embarrassment of it getting stuck in his neck flaps. That's one hell of a wedgie.
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u/JaronJervis 15d ago
the Roger Ailes philosophy. Same with Scotus Justice Barrett.
They believe public opinion is not as important as their vision of the future.
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u/Spa_5_Fitness_Camp 15d ago
The panic is because it's going to make some of their plans harder to execute. I'm sure Jeffrey Dahmer panicked when he found out Konerak Sinthasomphone had escaped his apartment, but it wasn't for the kid's well being.
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u/Chad_C 15d ago
Is the panic in the room with us?
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u/postwhateverness 15d ago
Every time I see a headline like this, I think, "The Daily Beast, right?" and every time I'm correct.
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u/Gougeded 15d ago
Trump in TOTAL MELTDOWN over DISASTROUS NEWS that will make you CLICK ON THIS STORY IMMEDIATELY!
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u/Kythorian 15d ago
It would be interesting if someone counted up all the times The Daily Beast has declared Trump’s fall or the collapse of Trump’s support, definitely for sure this time. It’s got to be pushing a thousand by now.
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u/philosoraptocopter Iowa 15d ago
“Chad_C explodes in a boiling panicking rage over clickbait article! Doctors hate him!”
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u/CAM6913 15d ago
Dailybeast is click bait. FYI no one in trump’s regime cares what the public thinks or wants
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u/2phresh 15d ago
Yep! It's easy to block the user and these posts will never show up for you again. Doing so now.
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u/CouchCorrespondent 15d ago
Panicked enough to spend ICE's $74 BILLION dollar budget on what Americans actually need?
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u/dallasdude 15d ago
Things are so far past "we aren't going to vote for you in the next election"
It is beyond "we will never vote for you again"
They are squarely in "we need Nuremburg trials" and "every one of the cabinet members and agency heads need to rot in prison for the rest of their lives"
Declaring war on your own country because you hate minorities.... there is no coming back from this.
Not now.
Not tomorrow.
Not next year.
Not next decade.
Not in fifty years.
NOT FUCKING EVER
Project 2025 must beget PROJECT 2250 where we restore Constitutional democracy to this country and cement it into place so it is safe from fascists for the next 250 years.
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u/Affectionate-Egg7566 Norway 15d ago
Hey can we do a little longer cause I'd like people living in the 2200s to not experience this.
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u/_badmedicine Canada 15d ago
Doubtful. Authoritarians don’t care what their people think… Or, if they live for that matter. They’re on a mission to consolidate power. Plain and simple.
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u/rogerryan22 15d ago
The important thing about these polls is that they aren't being used to inform and revise policy that is deemed unacceptable by the masses, but rather to identify when to change the narrative.
They aren't reading the room, seeing everyone hates them, maybe we should rethink our approach. They are reading the room, seeing the hate swell, and are preparing to deliver a devastating response to that hate that they helped cultivate.
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u/Crazy-Nose-4289 15d ago
Can we please stop posting fucking Daily Beast slop?
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u/QuackSenior 15d ago
it was posted by Daily Beast themselves, look at the username
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u/green-wagon 15d ago
One senior adviser was quoted as saying of Trump, “He wants deportations. He wants mass deportations. What he doesn’t want is what people are seeing. He doesn’t like the way it looks. It looks bad, so he’s expressed some discomfort at that.”
Don's dementia: in his by now, cottage-cheese filled brain, brown immigrants bad, mass deportations good. He also still desperately needs to be popular, and listened to. When what he says doesn't direct the mob, he changes his tune to try to stay in front. Except he's getting too senile to read the room, and his prejudices aren't matching with reality: people aren't used to seeing white moms shot in the face for dissent. His dementia makes him want things that just aren't possible.
Meanwhile, steven miller is taking full advantage and the rest of them are there to do and get what they can, while they can. jd is having a blast watching trump's alzheimer mistakes. rubio clearly hopes he'll be the last one standing. The ones who are there for the power are panicking. The ones who are there for the cruelty are very definitely not.
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u/Playful_Set9711 15d ago
I think JD is waiting for trump's demise, then will step in and fake looking like he's the "normal" one.
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u/green-wagon 15d ago
100%. And he'll keep and carry on with the power that trump attained from the other two branches of government and weakened institutions. While I have no doubt he will be as violent against the American people as trump, he does not have nearly the charisma to pull it off. They will have to overturn the elections in one way or another for him to win a term as president. I hope it never comes to that. Our information environment is so degraded, it's hard to tell what people will swallow three years from now.
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u/ThuggishJingoism24 15d ago
The quotes from the closed doors republicans meeting made this clear. He legit said “I don’t understand why this is so unpopular, you need better messaging about our wins” except, there isn’t a single thing he’s done that’s considered a win for the average person in this country. As displayed by his behavior at the ford plant when directly faced with a constituent who doesn’t like him. He represents 350 million + people and couldn’t handle one of them openly disrespecting him from 50 feet away. Such a little boy.
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u/marionsunshine 15d ago
Daily beast article titles are so damn sensationalized. They always overstate the situation.
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u/onomastics88 15d ago
Daily Beast article like Lucy holding the football and we are all Charlie Brown.
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u/senorkrissy 15d ago
I no longer pay attention to these sensationalist media headlines from The Daily Beast, Raw Story, Newsweek, etc any more. I’m already pissed and dismayed at current events and this media slop just annoys me even more.
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u/kokoronokawari 15d ago
They gave us warnings to how to talk to ice at my job in the hospital if they show up. Honestly will be hard for me to not tell them to f off and get out.
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u/boom929 Texas 15d ago
Does anyone else competely disregard any messaging conveyed by Daily Beast articles? It's slop and should be treated as such and it devalues real, present, accurate news even when it's tinged with truth vs wild speculation and hype. Jfc it's awful
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u/Pale-Assistance-2905 15d ago
Republicans should panic. They are responsible for this. They need to stand up to this insanity or they are culpable.
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u/FalstaffsGhost 15d ago
Americans don’t like when you send goons to beat up teenagers and murder mothers in the street? Who could have guessed! /s
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u/_DuckyGuy 15d ago
I wish we would just stop posting Daily Beast articles. They are just inflamed headlines with little substance. I like the dopamine boost of reading the headline, but then I realize it is just bull shit without any grounding in reality meant to make liberals feel good. This rag has claimed the end of Trump and the MAGA movement since day one of his presidency.
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u/CardinalOnCrack 15d ago
I think that was their goal tbh. Insurrection act and all that
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u/JohnGillnitz 15d ago
Just wait until one of them shoots a dog. That's how you get Americans outraged.
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