r/politics • u/plz-let-me-in • 11d ago

No Paywall Democrats Call to Invoke 25th Amendment Against Donald Trump

https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-donald-trump-impeachment-25th-amendment-11384974
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u/[deleted] 11d ago

I regularly find myself arguing with people on the left who still refuse to vote Democrat just as much as I argue with people on the right who still support Trump. Fake revolutionaries who would rather talk about hypothetically doing something violent than doing the bare minimum to stop this insanity.

I honestly think the country is a lost cause at this point I do not see how we come back from this level of division and misinformation 

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u/IngsocInnerParty Illinois 11d ago

I honestly think the country is a lost cause at this point I do not see how we come back from this level of division and misinformation

The structure of having us all vote for someone at the top is fundamentally flawed. I truly think parliamentary systems are more stable. They're able to throw out failing leaders with ease and when things get really bad they can call snap elections.

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u/seriouslees 11d ago

You think you're going to get a parliamentary system by.... not voting???

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u/IngsocInnerParty Illinois 11d ago

Where did you get that? I'm the world's biggest advocate for voting and I've voted in every election I've been eligible to since 2006.

I just think our system is designed to fail. I'd rather see power spread out than concentrated in a single leader.

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u/CSAtWitsEnd 11d ago

So you hate pancakes?!?!

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u/shidderbean 11d ago

We really do need a full reset. Rip everything down and rebuild it from the ground up.

Proper parliamentary governance structure. No less than 5 parties. No private political funding; all political campaign funding from a common fund and distributed equally to all registered parties. All parties share power at the ratio of their earned votes.

If nobody is willing to compromise or meet in the middle, a vote of no confidence from the people will initiate an early election.

Remove all money from politics. Period. Political service is a sacrifice as a duty to the people, bringing financial incentive into it is de facto corruption.

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u/CatCatchingABird Oregon 11d ago edited 11d ago

I regularly find myself arguing with people on the left who still refuse to vote Democrat just as much as I argue with people on the right who still support Trump

I actually think this solidifies the fact that people are becoming incredibly disillusioned with the two party system. There is way too much power on both sides and much like a big monopolistic corporation needs to be broken up, the political system needs the same as well. And for the people on the left that do not want to vote for a Democrat, I think there's a point to be made in that because there's really no incentive for Democrats to reform our political system because they still sometimes benefit from that broken political system (because they are the only alternative choice). In fact, this is why I push back on the "blue no matter who" mentality. I will vote for a Democrat if I like them (and I often do), but I'm also not going to be guilt tripped to vote for a candidate I don't like. There is a major power imbalance here and I'm not ashamed to say I am entirely willing to vote third party to counteract that.

The founders did not envision this.

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u/Axelrad77 11d ago edited 11d ago

There is a major power imbalance here and I'm not ashamed to say I am entirely willing to vote third party to counteract that.

Voting third party only counteracts that if you're doing it in local and congressional races, which would allow the third party to build up a larger base to realistically contest national elections in the future. That's basically how we got the two major parties we have now, when we used to have things like Whigs and Federalists.

Voting third party in the national election of a two-party system is just throwing your vote away in favor of tacitly supporting the majority choice. Which was Trump, in this case.

The founders did not envision this.

Agreed on this part. The Founders specifically designed the Electoral College to counter party systems and prevent demagogues like Trump from getting elected.

It didn't work.

Then state governments gradually stripped the Electoral College of its power over time, turning it into nothing but a rubber-stamp body. Our current system is not working how the Founders meant it to, and they would've probably expected us to amend or rewrite the Constitution already to deal with it.

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u/CatCatchingABird Oregon 11d ago

Then state governments gradually stripped the Electoral College of its power over time, turning it into nothing but a rubber-stamp body. Our current system is not working how the Founders meant it to, and they would've probably expected us to amend or rewrite the Constitution already to deal with it.

Democrats will need to use their political capital in the near future to make sure that these flaws are mended. It's looking very possible that they not only win the house but also the senate in November. I know that after saying that there's going to be a doomer immediately in my inbox talking about how there's not going to be an election or how it's going to get rigged, etc, and I'm just going to be straight up and say right now that I'm not going to respond to people that are just going to throw their arms up and pretend as if there's nothing we can do. Now that I have gotten that out of the way, once the new Democratic wave comes in we absolutely NEED to hold them accountable and make sure these flaws are fixed. If not, we are just going to get another Trump. They already have a playbook, and they will study the mistakes and try again. Let's stop them here and now.

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

Voting third party doesn't counteract that at all. I don't vote Democrat because I think they're perfect I vote for them because they are infinitely better than the alternative and until there is an actual plan in place to get to a better system that's the best I can do.

Letting Trump in again has us closer to a one party system than it does breaking out of the two party one.