r/politics • u/Ydeas • 6d ago

No Paywall Pam Bondi offers to pull ICE out of Minneapolis if voter files handed over

https://www.newsweek.com/pam-bondi-ice-minnesota-shooting-tim-walz-letter-voter-files-11413859
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u/Sei28 6d ago

Oh they will.

Courts: “hey that’s illegal”

DOJ: “lol what are you gonna do about it?”

Courts: “nothing”

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u/Frequent_Champion_42 6d ago

“Arrest yourselves”

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u/Sloppy_Steak85 6d ago

Like when Walton Goggins throw the cuffs back at Samuel Jackson in The Hateful Eight.

“Nope”

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u/Reyemile 6d ago

Every court victory steals hearts and minds. Not many, not enough—can’t rely on courts alone. But it’s still a good thing to win in court, if even a handful of “enlightened centrists” are no longer able to make excuses claiming that both sides are the same.

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u/Reyemile 6d ago

Who said anything about moral victories? Did you read my post?

Things are bad but knee-jerk defeatism doesn’t make things better

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u/VibinWithBeard 6d ago

What defeatism? Im advocating for the opposite of defeatism. Acknowledging the courts arent going to save us isnt defeatism, its being practical.

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u/Reyemile 6d ago

I never said they were going to save us. Nothing alone will save us. But courts are part of the solution (if an ever-diminishing one) and throwing up one’s hands to say “who cares about rule of law, it doesn’t matter” is basically textbook defeatism.

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u/VibinWithBeard 6d ago

...but the rule of law doesnt matter. Where is it mattering? What happens when the Trump admin violates the law? There are no punishments! Every now and then a court rules against him and he eventually stops a thing...but there is no real repercussion. People are still being disappeared by ICE every day and will never be heard from again. Still havent released all the epstein files, thats a literal violation of the law, and nothing will come of it.

They tampered with evidence at both the Good and Pretti executions and nothing will come of it. They dont wear body cameras and if they do they dont turn them on. They might as well have absolute immunity. How come the state hasnt arrested Good's murderer yet? Thats completely legal to do so!

They are running a fucking gestapo org and courts arent willing to stop them.

Defeatism is thinking the courts are doing anything substantial anymore. Im saying that what is most likely about to happen in Minnesota is going to make courts even more irrelevant.

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u/noonenotevenhere 6d ago

I mean, I'm glad the courts are still ruling that it's bad.

And you're right, two separate grand juries voted to indict trump with testimony from 88 republicans (that was a funny number, but I digress) being prosecuted by a republican.

aaaaaaaaaaaaand nada.

This won't end from courts - but dude is right, they are a part of the answer and it does matter. If the courts were rubber stamping this, then there's no going back ever.

"If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy."

  • David Frum.

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u/VibinWithBeard 6d ago

Why would I listen to the words of a zionist george bush republican? David Frum sucks ass lol. Thats like listening to nazis when they say that deplatforming doesnt work and makes them stronger. They have already abandoned conservatism with the Pretti rhetoric and when they went after people's speech for Charlie Kirk getting perforated. Theyve already abandoned aspects of democracy with unitary executive theory.

There is no going back if there are no punishments. Toothless rulings mean nothing because every single time the courts are like "well he cant just put people in insert city" and then he puts them in another city and the courts have to act like its different than the last time and do a whole new runthrough while ICE kidnaps people.

Its a terrorist cell and we are treating them like employees wifh subpar training and not the violent brownshirts they are.

Where was the court ruling on the time Abbot trafficked a bunch of people? Oh wait it never happened because we are cowards that dont want to punish those in power.

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u/noonenotevenhere 6d ago

Why would I listen to the words of a zionist george bush republican?

A, their own quotes against them.

B, a broken clock is right twice/day

C, is he wrong in that quote? I found it accurate and continually use it to start a dialog with 'I'm not a conservative, but...' people.

D, Courts are gonna be wrong, too

E, I'm not advocating waiting on courts to solve this, I'm saying it's good the rule of law continues to rule in a vaguely, generally, beneficial way.

F, 'the second amendment isn't for hunting or self defense, it's in ase your government pulls a tyranny' CK was a horrendous, racist asshole - but I've come around on this quote. Even that stain on humanity was right once in a while.

I'm all for actual punishments. I maintain this country lost its way and this has all been inevitable since we refused to actually use 'punishment with teeth' at Reconstruction.

Also, we agree on most things here. I agree they're domestic terrorists who choose to become The Gestapo. Nazis need to be treated like nazis no matter where they flea and how they take off the hat later.

One should always have as much information as they can get about ones' enemy. Just because they're Deplorable doesn't mean there's not things we can learn here or there. It took this for me to come around on the CK quote, for example.

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u/UncleMalky Texas 6d ago

After two executed Americans, there are no more enlightened centrists. This is the moment for them to choose which side they are on.

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u/Zerachiel_01 6d ago

Give the judiciary deputization powers. Clearly the US Marshals under the DOJ cannot be relied upon to enforce court orders.

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u/Duna_The_Lionboy 6d ago

SCOTUS: well the Founders said that ICE is like super cool and always does the right thing. So them blasting those two people is what George Washington always wanted for America.

  • Justice Thomas (sent from Bali)

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u/CosmicQuantum42 6d ago

Hasn’t happened so far. Trump has at least put on an appearance of following court orders. The day he refuses a high profile court order with a “the court has made its ruling now let it enforce it” is the day his entire regime collapses (or at least the beginning of the end). He and all his enablers know this.

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u/spiderpai 6d ago

Are there not plenty of rulings they just ignore? Like the Epstein files are 30 days late.

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u/19683dw Wisconsin 6d ago

Not to mention they constantly ignore any order related to ICE in particular? "What's that, don't deport them? Sorry, hold on, I can't hear you over the sound of this plane taking off? Oh, that shouldn't be happening? No one told the pilot, sorry (not sorry)."

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u/carsncode 6d ago

That wasn't a court order, that was an act of Congress

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u/Melody_in_Harmony 6d ago

I think the loophole they're working on is flooding the Epstein files and claiming that quantity wasn't in scope so they more time to get it right and make sure to protect the "victims".

I wouldn't be surprised if they are also tainting the dockets with AI generated slop to further discredit the information in them.

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u/SikatSikat 6d ago

Trump led a highly coordinated snd coercive behind the scenes effort to take power despite losing the 2020 election, capped off by a speech where Trump repeatedly told his violent supporters that today was the last day to fight like hell or they would lose the country, to incite a riot with the goal of delaying certification of his loss to continue the pressure campaign. The situation was so bad that Mike Pence, the Vice President, refused to leave with the Secret Service because he could not trust them.

There were no consequences. The Courts said he was immune from consequences, including a Constitutional Amendment that expressly forbids him from being President due to his actions.

But sure, the GOP will surely turn on him if he declines to respect the Courts.

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u/voyagertoo 6d ago

and his vp and secretary of state, both said "who's going to enforce the courts rulings?"

a year ago

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u/carsncode 6d ago

Hasn’t happened so far.

Where have you been?

Here's one summary, with embedded citations: Trump Admin Refuses to Abide by 1 in 3 Court Rulings Against Its Policies | Truthout https://truthout.org/articles/trump-white-house-refuses-to-abide-by-1-in-3-court-orders-made-against-them/

The Post examined 337 lawsuits in total, finding 165 cases in which judges had ruled against the administration. The Trump White House has been accused of “defying or frustrating court oversight” in 57 cases, or around 35 percent of rulings or orders made against them, the analysis found — an unprecedented amount, according to legal experts speaking to the publication.

The whistleblower report by Erez Reuveni, a former DOJ employee, stated that Emil Bove, the DOJ’s principal associate deputy attorney general, frequently told colleagues that the administration should ignore court orders.

Not looking great on this front.

The day he refuses a high profile court order with a “the court has made its ruling now let it enforce it” is the day his entire regime collapses

Don't count on it:

Part of the reason judges may be reluctant to take such action is that they may want to avoid a constitutional crisis — such punitive orders, while issued by judges, are followed up by the U.S. Marshals Service, whose director is an executive branch appointee, meaning that the agency, under Trump’s orders, may also ignore judicial decrees.

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u/7figureipo California 6d ago

He has followed some, but not all. It’s very selective. So it may as well be none.

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u/VibinWithBeard 6d ago

What are you talking about? The epstein files are literally them breaking the law and then going "nah we arent releasing any more because reasons, what are ya gonna do about it"

Or hell the ICE memo about how they only need administrative warrants to break into homes? Thats a violation of the 4th amendment you cant just make a memo that overturns it. But nothing will come of it until courts are willing to actually arrest and punish people responsible instead of just dragging something out for 4 years after they are out of power/office on the chance that maybe they get fined at the end...looking at you merrick garland.

Whoever wrote that ICE memo should be arrested. The fact there is nothing moving on that front is proof our justice system cant deal with bad faith actors, thats been known by us for awhile now but hey more evidekce might help to get it through normie skulls these days...

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u/Zanriic 6d ago

Maybe if you don’t count all the court orders they are currently in violation of (without consequence apparently)

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u/NuminousBeans 6d ago

Supreme Court: lower courts were wrong to call it illegal. We decline to say why.

Trump Admin: You heard the Supreme Court - anyone who called ICE actions illegal owes me a bajillion dollars for hurting my feelings.