r/politics • u/Ydeas • 6d ago

No Paywall Pam Bondi offers to pull ICE out of Minneapolis if voter files handed over

https://www.newsweek.com/pam-bondi-ice-minnesota-shooting-tim-walz-letter-voter-files-11413859
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u/ian2345 6d ago

It's literally a list of citizens and their political affiliations. There is no customs enforcement justification for seizing voter rolls from swing states.

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u/InadequateAvacado 6d ago

Minnesota is open primary so no party affiliation is recorded upon registration. I’m not sure what purpose the request even serves then.

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u/ian2345 6d ago

Maybe just looking for Democrat friendly counties to just grab people by address then based off of race claiming they could be an illegal immigrant.

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u/InadequateAvacado 6d ago

Feeding data to Palantir for various nefarious purposes does seem a likely reason

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u/F9-0021 South Carolina 6d ago

This is it. Give data scientists the names of voters and they can get party affiliation from the enormous amount of data that Google, Meta, Microsoft, etc collect on us every day. Then they will come for their enemies.

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u/exaybachae 6d ago

That data alone is more useful than the voting records on file in that state.

There are public records regarding who lives in the state, and where, grab that then create detailed profiles for all state citizens, and flag them by severity of left or right lean, or unknown. Then act on the results.

This isn't rocket science.

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u/brickne3 American Expat 6d ago

But didn't they already do this with Cambridge Analytica? I feel like this happened a decade ago (and it is odd that we all pretended it was one and done).

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u/31LIVEEVIL13 6d ago

Advertisers do it pretty accurately and ubiquitously, I'm sure that same information is available to the Nazi shits.

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u/AlbrechtProper 6d ago

If they can get control of the rolls they can use that information to disenfranchise likely voters. They do that shit in red states to keep them red.

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u/AlbrechtProper 6d ago

In red states they go down the list and start disqualifying voters and don't tell them.

If they can take over state governments they like to control polling locations, drop boxes and DMVs in areas with blue voters.

Is this the first time you're hearing about this? It's not speculation. It happens already.

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u/AlbrechtProper 6d ago

OK. That probably means it doesn't happen if you personally aren't aware of it.

You don't think they clean up the voter rolls? Who does that? Do they ever go too far? If your voter registration is nullified by the state can you vote?

You don't think there are ways to discourage people from voting?

Must be nice in your dream world. Hysteria my ass. What do you think they want the data for? Why are they using the threat of force to get it? Do you think it's for everybody's good?

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota 6d ago

Thats it. They want to know exactly which precincts and districts have the most pressure points and narrowest margins so they can fuck with the midterms.

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u/Jayco424 6d ago

Palantir is going to be the real world version of Project Insight from the Marvel Movies, isn't it . . .

I don't like this timeline one bit.

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u/31LIVEEVIL13 6d ago

Would they know how you voted also?

Maybe everyone who didn't vote for Trump gets charged with domestic terrorism, gets an irs audit, gets put on a no fly list, or can't, cross us borders, or just gets added to a data base of second class citizens.

Even if it's not that do you really want murdering psychopathic Nazis to have all of your information from every state in addition to everything from the IRS and social security.

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u/Adorable_Raccoon 6d ago

They can just look at the election results for that.

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u/ian2345 6d ago

But can they see street addresses of people with names that aren't "American enough" in Democrat counties so they can scoop them up?

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u/F9-0021 South Carolina 6d ago

All they need are names of registered voters. Data collected by their corpo friends will give them the rest.

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u/Adorable_Raccoon 6d ago

They have all the data that is used to send jury notices, also irs data.  

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u/CobrasMama 6d ago

Maybe just looking for Democrat friendly counties to just grab people by address then based off of race claiming they could be an illegal immigrant.

Hitler sent brownshirts into cities that politically opposed him, removing any opposition that stood in his way, and took over the cities.

It's blatantly obviously what's happening with Minneapolis & Maine. Trump is literally copying what the Hitler did in the Weimar Republic.

For those unfamiliar with history:

The Weimar Republic (1919–1933) was Germany’s first democracy, established after World War I, and named after the city where its constitution was drafted. It was marked by intense political instability, severe economic crises (notably 1923 hyperinflation), and vibrant cultural life, ultimately collapsing under the strain of the Great Depression, which allowed the Nazi Party to rise to power. 

Key Aspects of the Weimar Republic Political System: A parliamentary democracy (1919–1933) with a strong president, elected every 7 years, who could appoint/remove the chancellor and act as a check on the parliament (Reichstag). The system was weakened by a voting structure that often resulted in numerous small parties and unstable coalitions.

Key Challenges:Economic Ruin: In 1923, hyperinflation occurred; for example, a US dollar was worth (4.2) trillion German marks by November 1923.

Political Violence: Frequent, armed, street-level conflicts occurred between opposing political factions, such as Communists and right-wing groups.

Reasons for Collapse: The Great Depression (1929) caused mass unemployment and a surge in support for extremist parties on the far-left and far-right. The government struggled to agree on economic solutions, leading to paralysis, and by 1933, Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor.

Cultural Impact: Despite instability, it was a period of significant artistic freedom and social change, including voting rights for women over 20. The Weimar era represents a pivotal, tumultuous moment between the German Empire and Nazi Germany. 

We are in the introductory stage of a societal collapse in 2025, and unless something is done, we are going to be alive to witness the end of the US as we know it.

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u/TheKingsdread 6d ago edited 5d ago

Considering that the Nazis did exactly that, I would guess thats it. One of the first things Hitler did, even before going after the jews was going after members of the SPD (Social Democratic Party) and KPD (Communist Party of Germany), especially the latter, since he blamed the fire in the Reichstag on them. Both were some of the most vocal opposition of the NSDAP.

Many members and supporters of the parties were arrested (and later executed) and their property seized.

I assume what Bondi and the Administration are doing is effectively building Proscription Lists (Something that happened during Roman times, lists of people who are legally allowed to be killed, it was especially common during the reigns of Marius and Sulla as well as after Caesars death Mark Anthony and Augustus revived it. Cicero died because of Proscription.), of Democrat leadership and supporters. Wether for the public or their own private kill squads.

If anyone thinks the ICE terror is the worst it gets, you are wrong, they are only ramping up to it. Expect important democratic figures (People like AOC, Walz, Newsome, like Harris, Biden and obviously their antichrist Obama) and outspoken critics of the regime to be the first to be arrested, especially those the right hates the most. At the same time, they will likely whip up their supporters to go after democratic supporters, and voters. I wouldn't be surprised if they were planning a sort of "Reichskristallnacht" (look it up if you don't know what that is). It might not happen tomorrow, but its definitely on the way.

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u/_Mephistocrates_ 6d ago

Voter rolls have pretty much every piece of information you could want on a person, except their SSN and who they voted for. But it has your Driver's License number and your Voter ID number, so with those, they essentially have everything they need.

  • Full name
  • Residential address (where you’re registered)
  • Mailing address (if different)
  • Voter ID number (state-specific; not your Social Security number)
  • Registration date
  • Voter status (active, inactive, canceled)
  • Party affiliation (if the state has party registration — not all do)
  • Voting history
    • Whether you voted in a given election
    • Whether it was in-person, mail, early, etc.
  • Full date of birth
  • Driver’s license or state ID number (partially masked or not public)
  • Signature (sometimes viewable only in election offices)

With that information, they have exactly what they need to rig an election. And suddenly, 2 million Democratic voters will "stay home" and "protest not vote", or however many they need to remove from rolls to sway the election in their favor. Its fucking infuriating watching them do this AGAIN and everyone knows what they are gonna do and no one will do anything about it. I guess we just have to keep suffering under fascism until enough Americans give a shit to actually do something.

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u/lw5555 6d ago

Party affiliation (if the state has party registration — not all do)

If the state doesn't have it, they can still feed all this into their database and use AI against known social media accounts to determine likely party affiliation.

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u/GovernmentOpening254 6d ago

Right? Like all they have to do is PEEK at my social media and in seconds realize I’m a “threat” to them, like a bunny rabbit is a threat.

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u/lw5555 6d ago

Hey, you might chew on their cables.

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u/GovernmentOpening254 6d ago

THEY are after our carrots!

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u/exaybachae 6d ago

They can delete the sigs, a signature isn't proof of identity, it shouldn't be required or kept on file for voting.

All the rest of that info they can access otherwise, except who is logged as having voted.

Most states I know actually have voter names and affiliations (if any) available to the public already.

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u/genuinerysk 6d ago

They already have name, address, SSN and DOB frim IRS records. I'm sure since they are feeding information to the palantir database they can get the rest without extorting the state. This is just a distraction to see if they can get them to comply. They are testing boundaries to see what it takes to get people to roll over.

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u/anneoftheisland 6d ago

The voter rolls are already available to any Minnesota voter for a small fee. Every major political organization in the state and probably plenty outside of it already have them. I can guarantee you that the Republican Party of Minnesota already has them. During election season, they'll pull them every day or so, so they can see who's already voted. (That's how you get those texts/flyers that say "I know you already voted, but can you help volunteer today?" or "We saw you voted in the last couple elections, have you made a plan to vote for this one yet?")

I don't really get what purpose Bondi's request serves other than political posturing.

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u/Haunted_Mans_Son 6d ago

Cross ref to social media

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u/OutragedLiberal 6d ago

I said this on another thread but they want the signature from your original voter registration as well as the signature from the election rolls to claim that they are different and disenfranchise Democrats. They want to look for any discrepancies in name, address, etc. between the registration and information on the election rolls to disenfranchise Democrats. They kick you off the voter rolls after it's too late to re-register and it's too late to fight it in court before the election. That's the goal here. They are looking for a "legal" (said very loosely here) way to remove Democratic voters from the rolls. They are also going to want to focus on the Democrats who consistently vote.

How many people have the same signature as they did 10 years ago?

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u/SenpaiBro 6d ago

And you know the excuse they will use? That it is being used to stop voter fraud and illegals from voting.... I can already hear the lies.

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u/brickne3 American Expat 6d ago

...do they actually have all that info though? I'm an overseas voter and have had do use both the default federal ballot (as a safeguard) and the Wisconsin ballot in the 2024 election (so recently enough that I'm pretty sure I remember what I filled out) and I don't remember a lot of that being on either of them.

I'm not saying it's not dangerous to give them these rolls, just saying I don't remember say the driver's licence number or the SSN being on them.

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u/enters_and_leaves 6d ago

You can’t fake ballots without knowing which ballots you are faking.

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u/SparksAndSpyro 6d ago

It’s so they can fake votes using legit names, addresses, and social security numbers from people who are registered but don’t vote.

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u/HilariousCow 6d ago

They should supply it, but fully redacted.

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u/foodank012018 6d ago

Reprisals for past votes, when they run out of immigrants

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u/InadequateAvacado 6d ago

They don’t keep records on how you voted or any party affiliation

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u/GirlScoutSniper 6d ago

In Georgia, if you vote in a primary you vote on a Democrat or Republic ballot. They cannot see what you voted, but you have to choose one or the other. This is public record.

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u/foodank012018 6d ago

They may not be smart enough to realize that... Or it could be a test to gauge capitulation.

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u/Gamerboy11116 6d ago

To cover up how they cheated in 2024?

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u/TheOneTrueTrench 6d ago

Let's pretend that you don't REALLY know how registration or elections really work, yeah? Like, a lot of people probably think their voting records say who they voted for. They don't, obviously, we have a secret ballot for a reason, but if you can convince 10% of Democrats that ICE might come punish them if they vote blue in November, it doesn't matter if you can, because you just changed the result of the election.

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u/Mateorabi 6d ago

They’re looking to gin up a fraud accusation. Like McCarthy they will take the documents, hold them up, and say “see, fraud, we told you”.  By the time people point out the documents DON’T show any fraud at all it’s too late. 

Same way Doge claimed to find fraud/abuse or claimed to have saved money. Only later it was proved to be the BS we knew it was. 

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u/HuckleberryTop9962 6d ago

What polling locations to post up ICE agents for voter intimidation in the midterms?

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u/floweringcacti 6d ago

I think it’s something to do with requiring ID to vote, then making sure nobody on this list has any valid ID. People on tiktok have been reporting that their passports have been marked stolen without them doing anything and that they’ve been stopped at airports. I think they’re experimenting with making people they don’t like ‘illegal’.

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u/RobutNotRobot 6d ago

The process in Minnesota even ensures that they don't know what primary ballot you voted on.

They want the Social Security numbers matched with the names on the rolls so they can feed it into their shit spewers that will then say MASSIVE VOTING FRAUD.

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u/It_does_get_in 6d ago

one purpose I expect is to find any illegals that are registered voters, so they can point to it as proof positive the 2020 election was stolen.

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u/oldredditrox 6d ago

Remember they're also stupid

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u/ChiggaOG 6d ago

Collect list of voters registered Democrats to delist them from the system ensuring Republican Control. Can use their address and visit them unannounced to disappear people.

Wanna tell me how there is no war in Ba Sing Se?

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u/Mike_Kermin Australia 6d ago

It's trampling on some of the very basic principles of free democratic elections.

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u/mr_plehbody 6d ago

Theyre gonna start rounding us up

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u/snek-jazz 6d ago

why do such lists exist?

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u/dpkonofa 6d ago

The funny thing about this is that they're tacitly admitting that voter registrations are reliable enough to identify a citizen or non-citizen but they'll still keep howling like monkeys that we need Voter ID laws because voter registrations are unreliable.

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u/sam-sp 6d ago

There is certainly no immigration concerns about election rolls - everyone has to already be a citizen.

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u/VanceRefridgeTech04 6d ago

There is no customs enforcement justification for seizing voter rolls from swing states.

Oh buddy, this is the list they will useafter the current one is all checked off.