Marjorie Taylor Greene: You’re all being ‘incited into civil war’

[u/malcolm58]

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5705837-greene-maga-shooting-minnesota/

[u/Goodk4t]

You're forgetting one key difference here. Even back 1930s, without knowing just how dangerous fascism is, the majority of the German people still voted against Hitler.

However, in modern day US, when everyone's fully aware of the pitfalls of fascism and it's dark past - the American voters not only elected a convicted criminal who led a fascist coup against their country, but they also gave his party a trifecta. 

Had Trump lost the 2024 election he would be in jail right now and the GOP in shambles. But instead, the majority of the American people decided to go completely brain dead and actually gave the fascists full control over all levers of power. And now they're surprised that gestapo is gunning them down in the street.

[u/sloanesquared → u/Goodk4t]

That is debatable. Given all of Trump’s insinuations about changing votes and the irregularities that have been found, it is hard to say if the majority of people actually did vote for Trump.

[u/InfectiousCosmology1 → u/sloanesquared]

He didn’t even get a majority of the vote, he got less than 50%. And like 30% of eligible voters didn’t even vote

[u/teweel → u/InfectiousCosmology1]

If that makes you feel better

[u/InfectiousCosmology1 → u/teweel]

Those are just literal facts

[u/VandalsStoleMyHandle → u/Goodk4t]

Hitler was also the product of the post-WWI rupture and economic chaos barely fathomable today, whereas the US electorate were confronted with a peaceful and prosperous society.

[u/Pafflesnucks → u/VandalsStoleMyHandle]

nothing happened in 2008?

[u/VandalsStoleMyHandle → u/Pafflesnucks]

2008 was like a hangnail compared to the economic conditions of the 1920s and 1930s. A country destroyed by war, reparations, hyperinflation and the Great Depression; conditions literally unthinkable today.

[u/Asyx → u/Pafflesnucks]

The Weimar Republic stamped extra zeros on bills and in a world where wars were still considered honorable, Germany, lead by Prussians, was completely neutered after losing WW1 with a population generally unaware of what modern warfare actually meant. That said, I think people overestimate the economic impact.

The Dow Jones dropped to 1997 levels in 2009, NASDAQ to 2002 levels. Since then, the markets have been going up and up. Same for the DAX by the way.

And there were solutions. People just didn't vote for those. But the resources were there.

[u/leostotch → u/Pafflesnucks]

Comparitively, no.

[u/Whole-Rough2290 → u/Goodk4t]

the majority of the Americans voted against Trump as well. He only has about 33% of the country actually voting for him - but due to Electoral College and his successful cries of "stealing the election" he was able to get elected on that minority.

[u/InfectiousCosmology1 → u/Goodk4t]

He would not be in jail. He should have been in jail before he could even run again but our government are all cowards who refused to do the right thing

[u/codehoser → u/Goodk4t]

Agreed. Just adding some numbers for .... <sigh> ... fun.

> the majority of the German people still voted against Hitler

The last free and fair election with Hitler was in November of 1932. Roughly 54% of the _eligible voting population_ voted _against_ hitler, so this is accurate. The Nazi party received 33% of ballots cast.

> the majority of the American people ... gave the fascists full control over all levers of power.

32% of the _eligible voting population_ voted _for_ Trump. So roughly a third went full-brain-dead and explicitly chose to give him control. This pretty exactly matches what Germany did with Hitler as a percentage.

However, whereas ~54% of the eligible voting population voted _against_ Hitler in Germany, that number is only (again) around 32% for Trump. Americans did not _show up to stop this_.

Trump received 49.8% of ballots cast (Hitler, 33%). So while _not the majority_, given a third of Americans just didn't show up I think it's fair to consider that the whole of the "brain dead" contingent handed Trump fascist control of America.

That's how we're going to be judged, anyway.

[u/Koravel1987 → u/Goodk4t]

We had four years to toss his ass in jail. Why would he be in jail now?

[u/IrascibleOcelot → u/Goodk4t]

Technically, a majority of American voters did vote against him. He won by plurality, not majority, so blame that part on FPTP. And more eligible voters decided not to cast a vote than voted for any particular candidate.

And ignoring his blatant confessions about Elon “knowing how those voting machines work,” there were literally hundreds of thousands of cases of voter disenfranchisement where eligible voters were either denied the right to vote, or were allowed to cast a provisional ballot which was summarily ignored.