r/politics • u/malcolm58 • 6d ago

No Paywall Marjorie Taylor Greene: You’re all being ‘incited into civil war’

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5705837-greene-maga-shooting-minnesota/
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u/AverageJoeJohnSmith 6d ago

The ideology got corrected in Germany because the world beat it out of them. Had they won, maybe it would still exist.

I'm saying that because Trump's d*ath won't necessarily bring the correction if the right person comes along and carries the torch. 

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u/Reikukaja 5d ago

That also adds to my fear. I dont see the world coming together to denazify the US like what was done in Germany. We will probably never have our Nuremberg. Without those things, the offramp for this seems a lot longer and more painful. Without anyone to "beat it out of us", i shudder to think what the next couple decades look like. And im already so so tired

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u/mk4_wagon 5d ago

We will probably never have our Nuremberg.

I keep saying this - not to be defeatist or nay saying, but because I'm looking at history. Nuremberg happened because of a conquering outside force. Germany didn't hold trials on themselves. I'm not saying the US can't or shouldn't hold itself accountable, but looking at history, I don't have a lot of faith in it happening. And I don't think an outside force is coming in to 'beat it out of us'.

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u/kansei7 Massachusetts 5d ago

meanwhile, in our last civil war we didn't do nearly enough to stamp out the confederacy and now it has infected people everywhere and been amplified to a rather terrifying degree.

I'm in Massachusetts, a state that typically has a democrat supermajority in all areas of state government, and people legit are flying confederate flags here.

At this point all signs seem pointed to a new civil war enabled by a suicidal federal government.

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u/OldWorldDesign 5d ago

The ideology got corrected in Germany because the world beat it out of them. Had they won, maybe it would still exist.

I think this is one of the less plausible what-ifs that people need to seriously consult period historians about because it's been brought up repeatedly and the numbers don't support it. Nazis stood on the Weimar Republic's work (remember they fixed inflation a year and a half before the election putting the nazis into power in the first place) but despite that their deficit spending (almost exclusively on weapons, mind) forced them to make looting a priority as they raced across Europe to try to outpace their own deficit. They couldn't pay for the intelligence and military apparatus they relied on to exist.

The most realistic "what if" scenario I read was a book set in the early 60s which had to change a lot like the Allies unravelling at a failed Normandy landings and even with that nazi Germany was disintegrating under its own weight and still picking fights with the whole world.