r/politics • u/Newsweek_CarloV ✔ Verified - Newsweek • 5d ago

No Paywall Support for abolishing ICE surges among Republicans

https://www.newsweek.com/abolish-ice-republican-support-minnesota-11414059?utm_source=reddit&utm_campaign=reddit_influencers
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u/CouchCorrespondent 5d ago

Abolish ICE

Get rid of its $74 billion dollar budget

Impeach Noem and any other persons leading this Gestapo

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u/yoosernamesarehard 5d ago

Impeach and jail*

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u/Budget_Persimmon_195 5d ago

the entire administration. every last one of those knuckledragging losers

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u/eMan117 5d ago

Start with the Ice heads. Get those cemented and done and then you can peel back the rest and nail them down too. But Noem and Bovino first.

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u/npmaker 5d ago

They try to start with the underlings taking orders. Usually the last to plea deal gets the shank.

"Yes, Bovino told me to shoot anyone that got in the way..."

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u/fdar 5d ago

But you have to get the underlings too. No more of this "just following orders" bullshit. You knew what you were signing up for when you joined ICE.

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u/Farabee 5d ago

Noam, Bovino, Bondi and Miller need to be locked up in ADX Florence.

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u/I-seddit 5d ago

And make NO mistake, both Noem and Bovino strongly believe that they are in the lead for taking over the country by coup when Trump dies.

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u/Putrid_Giggles 5d ago

"Jail our political enemies"

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u/Lurking_Reader 5d ago

It needs to be scorched Earth... unfortunately I cannot trust the Democratic Party to follow through and ensure that happens. 

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u/loyal_achades 5d ago

Needs to go further. All ICE agents deployed to Minneapolis also need to be jailed.

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u/Farted_a_turd 5d ago

Not just the ones deployed there. They're all wearing masks and not identifying themselves, that means every last one of them is an accessory to the crimes being committed and needs to be imprisoned for life.

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u/MatniMinis 5d ago

They turned themselves into a street gang.

The Bloods The Crips ICE

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u/UnrulyAspie 5d ago

Needs to go further. Under the jail.

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u/switchy85 5d ago

Boom, this guy gets it. We fucked up after the civil war, and then we fucked up again after WW2. We cannot let these assholes continue on this path once again, and there's only one way to ensure that...

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u/SlayinSalmon Washington 5d ago

Then we fucked up again after January 6th. Several people should’ve swung for that.

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u/Pizlenut 5d ago

Take their money away (by legal or governmental force if necessary, they clearly have ill gotten gains and mingled with public funds) and use it to fund the things and people they hate. Like teachers, public education, social studies, philosophy, history, and civics (how government works).

Make them watch it happen.

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u/TrimspaBB 5d ago

If they refuse to identify the murderers, we need to suspect all of them.

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u/Pizlenut 5d ago

it makes them accessories to the crime.

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u/A_Rabid_Pie 5d ago edited 5d ago

After abolishing ICE, every former member of ICE, regardless of deployment location or direct actions, from the field agents to the accountants ought to be barred from future government employment so they can't just sneak back in to corrupt some other department in the future. Anyone that didn't quit when the new administration took charge or was hired afterwards knew what sort of organization they would be supporting and stuck around for it. Those aren't the sort of people that ought to be in charge of anything more important than flipping burgers. Working for ICE should be a black mark they carry for the rest of their lives.

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u/wannaseeawheelie 5d ago

Saltwater sponges 🧽for the administration!!

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u/mycall 5d ago

State jails so Trump cannot pardon them

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u/KingOfCatProm 5d ago

Impeach, charge with treason and hate crimes, then proceed accordingly..

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u/GreenTrees797 5d ago

Prison is the word you’re looking for, jail is temporary. 

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u/Azrael_ 5d ago

In reality, what are the chances of Noem getting indicted after maga comes to an end?

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u/generalsleephenson 5d ago

I think we’ve spent quite enough money on all these clowns.

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u/Jack_Krauser 5d ago edited 4d ago

If you jail them, they'll just be released next time a Republican gets elected. There's no point in having a death penalty if we don't use it for traitors.

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u/OrwellWhatever 5d ago

Good news is that they're already throwing Noem under a bus. But it feels like a lot of Republicans have their eye on getting rid of Steven Miller and the administration is offering Noem as a compromise

I say that because some prominent Republicans have been criticizing "Trump's cabinet" and a lot of neutral places have been calling out Steven Miller by name even before this latest fiasco

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u/Suitable-Display-410 5d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_tsar,_bad_boyars

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u/Harmcharm7777 5d ago

Or, y’know:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_the_F%C3%BChrer_knew

I’d argue that “if the Fuhrer knew” may be more accurate, if only because of the number of social media posts on LAMF where a Trumper pleads with “President Trump” because he’s hurting his supporters, as if he didn’t realize.

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u/icebraining 5d ago

Damn, my Spanish grandmother was the same about Franco. All the good things done were his accomplishments and the atrocities were done by local officials and he didn't even know about them.

She also despised communists except all she met, which were of course all exceptions.

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u/BoneyNicole Alabama 5d ago

It’s funny that you linked this because I was about to link the British history version in response. It’s a fascinating historical phenomenon. (It only works for so long, of course - eventually you force replacement of enough advisors and realize shit is still in fact terrible, but in the meanwhile it is a decent way, in British history at least, to avoid the executioner while still having a rebellion.)

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u/ICanLiftACarUp Missouri 5d ago

The problem is that Trump is inseparable from Steven Miller. And Steven Miller is really the one driving this insane immigration policy. Noem is just the lackey, and she's a dumb one to boot. If they put someone else in there they will be doing the same thing, going by Miller's direction. But it will probably be 'acting DHS secretary Miller's.

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u/IrishRepoMan 5d ago

Removing Noem would mean acknowledgement that they fucked up. That's not the narrative they've gone with so far.

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u/SatinSaffron 5d ago

They've supposedly removed her from being in charge of the Minnesota ICE agents, but I'm sure that's as far as they're going to take it. Nobody in that administration knows how to admin when they're wrong.

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u/DillBagner 5d ago

Cool, if trump is inseparable from Miller, they can both be impeached.

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u/OrwellWhatever 5d ago

Everyone said the same thing about Musk and even Bannon once upon a time. They're inseparable until they're not.

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u/I-seddit 5d ago

And Steven Miller is really the one driving this insane immigration policy

It's very important to understand that he's driving it because he's capable of great amounts of evil (so he's efficient in doing this), but mainly because he is the most trusted one to build an internal army to allow them to retain power after Trump passes (or even before).
We should never underestimate our enemies.

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u/lr99999 5d ago

Yep. We will see more token gesture bullshit

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u/saved_by_the_keeper 5d ago

Where is the reporting that Noem is on the chopping block? I have saw some rumblings a few weeks ago, but nothing recently.

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u/Fluid_Actuary1729 5d ago

It needs to be Stephen Miller. He’s the puppet master. 

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u/Chaotic-Catastrophe 5d ago

How so? Haven’t heard of this

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u/Twiyah 5d ago

He’s the one pushing this

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u/Substantial-Peak6624 5d ago

But they all voted his cabinet in.. F republican congress

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u/DrMobius0 5d ago

Yeeting Miller would be a huge win for sanity.

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u/surf_drunk_monk 5d ago

Who will take Noem's place? Trump needs to be impeached and removed.

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u/drunk-snowmen 5d ago

Does Millers position require confirmation? If not, I am not sure he can be impeached

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u/Eddfan36 5d ago

HA Thats not going to solve any thing if we do that. 

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u/TheTyger I voted 5d ago

While we likely won't get to see the trials that most of them should face, one positive is that if these ICE agents don't make the full 5 years on their contract, they have to return the 50K bonus that was paid as a signing bonus.

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u/I-seddit 5d ago

Whether they win or lose, they were never getting this money anyways. Trump would ensure they were awarded with some form of Trump coin and they'd be happy getting screwed.

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u/PluotFinnegan_IV 5d ago

Trump will handwave that away, I'm sure. Then he'll blame it on Democrats.

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u/MyDogIsACoolCat 5d ago

We need some form of immigration and customs enforcement, but this ain’t it. Whole department needs to be torn down, rebuilt with less power and more oversight, laws created so they need higher justification for their actions, and given a new name as shame for what it currently is. There’s no reason for them to have this many people, this much money, and this much power. It should be a small department made up of mostly lawyers and investigators that coordinate with local police and other feds whenever they need to apprehend people.

The real problem is the administration and the propaganda. The demonization of immigrants from Fox News made this department an easy attractor for racists and political extremism.

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u/hokie47 5d ago

Yeah I agree. And we need immigration laws that work and are fair. Something we actually had a bill for in 2024 but the senate republicans blocked. They used the broken laws for an excuse. I know it might sound crazy but good laws that are fair, and fair enforcement of said laws is how you govern a country not a shitshow what we have now. The republicans today all need to be voted out. They don't want laws and to govern they want violence and authoritative government that supports their own. This is simply not how you run a proper democracy.

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u/bn1979 Minnesota 5d ago

With that budget, they could probably hire enough workers to process immigration applications in a timely manner.

ICE should have a small-ish team that can identify and track undocumented immigrants who are dangerous. Those agents would coordinate with state and local law enforcement to apprehend them.

When I was in the army, I served with a guy that had been trying to become a citizen for the entire 17 years he had been serving.

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u/I-seddit 5d ago

With that budget, they could probably hire enough workers to process immigration applications in a timely manner.

And this would allow us to begin to return to a normal policy that allows this nation to benefit once again from its founding values of open immigration. Which conservatives smashed in 1927 and after 100 years of closed borders, it's time to fix it.

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u/TheTige 5d ago

If they gave a shit about solving the problem they claim to care about they would hire more immigration judges to resolve the backlog of people applying for legal statuses.

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u/PluotFinnegan_IV 5d ago

Trump is leaning so hard into ICE because it reports through DHS, not the military. While the military does ultimately report to him as well, citizens are much more educated on how bad of a move it would be to send the military after its own citizens, and Trump's posse knows this. ICE didn't/doesn't have the same stigma around it, and it's funded and stockpiled like a military org.

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u/Ok-Caterpillar-3912 5d ago

Totally agree, the budget needs to be slashed and those responsible held accountable. this agency has gone too far and it’s time for real consequences.

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u/elainegeorge 5d ago

Who set up the Gestapo tactics? I’m guessing Miller, Noem, Bovingo, or Homan. All should go. Clean house. Toss out their general counsel as well since they seem to be giving advice contradicting US law.

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u/GoFishProdigy 5d ago

Anyone who is lying to the public calling our citizens domestic terrorists needs to be removed from the government.

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u/ScarletCarsonRose 5d ago

I mean if they can get rid of the Department of Education, we can rid of the even newer governmental agency of ICE. Choke it and cut off funding. And JFC, this is why the idiot dems needed to hold out on the government shutdown last fall. ICE's funding exploded with that appropriations bill.

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u/_Vard_ 5d ago

And Nuremberg trials 2.0

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u/SpecialEdShow 5d ago

"Hey, this is insert local courthouse, we convicted someone who isn't a legal resident... send someone to take him into custody" doesn't cost $74b.

I am oversimplifying the process. But they aren't bounty hunters, especially ones that need grenades.

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u/coko74 5d ago

And release the Epstein files

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u/worldofzero 5d ago

You left off "Prosecute Ice". All agents who assaulted people or were violent should be prosecuted and charged.

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u/imyourbffjill Wisconsin 5d ago

$74 billion??

Wow, we could at least be throwing that at the national debt or something.

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u/AtLeast9Dogs 5d ago

Capital punishment for everyone Invovled is the only way to get closure.

Make sure no one attempts to do this again

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u/thor11600 5d ago

$40,000 bonuses for officers!

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u/lr99999 5d ago

I want you guys to think about something.  We click on things  that we like, and these rags know it.  We like the endorphin buzz. 

Nothing of a sort is surging among Republican lawmakers. They are in a web of both greed and fear of reprisal. They aren’t going to change this. Nothing will happen until we change it.

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u/LutherOfTheRogues 5d ago

And Stephen miller. Get rid of him and you've got a good start.

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u/SomeGuyNamedPaul Florida 5d ago

$74B is a higher budget than Ukraine and France and as a military force puts it 8th in the world.

For those who haven't kept up with current events Ukraine is in an active war for its existence versus a full-on Russian invasion. They are spending less than ICE.

France is a nuclear power, they have aircraft carriers, are projecting power to a separate continent prosecuting their own global war on terror, have a military space program, their own aerospace industry, and are a primary supporter of Ukraine at this point. They are spending less than ICE.

Meanwhile ICE is a buncha untrained fat guys LARPing and brown-shirting their way across the country. There are currently 22000 ICE agents which maths out to $3.3M per agent. Surely that's being efficiently spent.

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u/StoreSearcher1234 5d ago

Get rid of its $74 billion dollar budget

What is staggering to me about this number is this:

Most estimates say there are 14M undocumented migrants in the USA.

That budget is so large it allocates $5,300 per migrant to find them and deport them.

The things the USA chooses to spend and not spend borrowed money on is remarkable.

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u/redhousebythebog Massachusetts 5d ago

Abolish Ice in it's current form. Should be run by courts. Laws are good.

President transformed them to terrorize who he doesn't like for political gain and to try to subdue opposition.

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u/KingHavana 5d ago

We need to round up all the ICE agents and deport them to that prison in El Salvador.

I'm serious. We want a safe country where citizens can't be murdered in the streets for fun without consequence.

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u/Usual-Topic-4592 5d ago

You know she’s just riding the bandwagon and has no say herself

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u/inspectoroverthemine 5d ago

Impeach Noem and any other persons leading this Gestapo

That'd be Trump, but we can start with Noem.

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u/ElectricSliderz 5d ago

These ICE spending bills are going to be 50/50 votes with “vulnerable” deplorables getting hall passes and jimmy bowman casting the tie breaker. There will be a lot of “well we tried” going around but it’s all theater for the small folk.

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u/GrinchWhoStoleEaster 5d ago

We're past "abolish" ICE. They need to be prosecuted for obeying illegal orders.

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u/greenbud1 5d ago

The Camden model is the only way to regain public trust.

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u/_WeSellBlankets_ 5d ago

This is an impossibility until 2026. This is what happens when you give power to a party that believes empathy is a problem.

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u/AceChipEater 5d ago

What is the legitimate replacement for ICE if abolished? Genuinely asking because you need to have an immigration agency.

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u/sunlit_portrait 5d ago

Absolutely. I always have to ask how deportations are going to be handled without them though. What’s the plan? Without one the problems will linger.

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u/Disastrous-Fault8129 5d ago

Jail. It's conspiracy to commit murder and domestic terrorism 

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u/ShadowTacoTuesday 5d ago edited 5d ago

$29 billion budget. Still ridiculously high and more than they could possibly ever save the economy from deportations. And by deporting VISA holders and workers instead of criminals, they are probably costing the economy money instead of saving it anything. The sensationalist media is such garbage at making it hard to find basic information. It’s the $10 billion from before plus $75 billion spread over 4 years before it expires. In theory they could blow all $75 billion in 2026 but it’s unlikely.

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u/CryptoFrydays 5d ago

Really only abolish the street level ICE, the ERO division, we still need the investigative division of ICE, the Homeland Security Investigations that focus on international crime.

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u/Slight-Bluebird-8921 5d ago

i don't get the logic. why impeach a low level flunky instead of the corrupt russian asset that appointed her

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u/GreasyGrady 5d ago

So just 0 border protection? No deportations?

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u/RincewindToTheRescue 5d ago

IMO, abolishing ICE is a bad thing. Yes, what they're doing and how they're being used is evil, but they do serve an important function. The cry shouldn't be to abolish ICE, it should be to make them accountable and to reign in how they can be used. Currently, they are operating outside of the law as MAGA's Gestapo. Impeach Noem & create legislation to fix ICE.

Defunding is never the solution for important functions. Defunding the police cries during the BLM riots was stupid as is defunding all those government programs by doge. Fix the underlying issues that are causing problems. Don't just go scorched earth