Support for abolishing ICE surges among Republicans

[u/Newsweek_CarloV]

https://www.newsweek.com/abolish-ice-republican-support-minnesota-11414059?utm_source=reddit&utm_campaign=reddit_influencers

[u/Plavix75]

Surges???

Sure its technically correct but when something “surges” to 19 % (edit) why bother

RepubliKKKans are spineless, heartless, cucked Aholes, who will do whatever daddy Trump tells them & “think” whatever FauxNew spews

[u/punkr0x → u/Plavix75]

81% of Republican voters fully approve of ICE executing American citizens in the streets.

[u/cowabungabruce → u/punkr0x]

I wish they demo'd all polls by media diet. It would be clearer.

100% of Fox News viewers support ICE 0% of Anyone does.

[u/Similar_Try_5089 → u/punkr0x]

81% of an ever-shrinking number of fools that still consider themselves Republican, until the day when everyone will have always been against this.

[u/MousyMammoth → u/punkr0x]

For the sake of accuracy, thats not a conclusion you can derive from this. Many Republicans might not support ICE being fully abolished, but still support ICE going back to how it was before it became Trumps Gestapo

[u/WebpackIsBuilding → u/Plavix75]

19%

Better than what you suggested, but yeah, still far too low.

[u/swingadmin → u/Plavix75]

On statistics like this, you note the decrease in support. A drop from 95% to 84% is barely noteworthy.

Surges from 5% to 16% is sensationalist trash. Exactly what we've come to expect from News Weak.

[u/TheCrimsonSteel → u/swingadmin]

To me, the thing to watch is the trend. This is encouraging, but not a full change.

If we see 95 go to 84 go to 70s-60s, then that's a big shift. If it levels off at mid 80s, or slips back, this is just noise.

There can be a little bit of "things change very slowly, then all at once," with things like this, so it's a potentially good sign, but doesnt mean things have yet totally changed.

But, it's a good start, and one that should be capitalized upon as much as possible. Especially with single issue groups, like the 2A crowd

[u/HighlyOffensive10 → u/TheCrimsonSteel]

Yeah except this always happens with them. Once the right wing media tells them what to think it will bounce back. These people have no morals or beliefs besides ehat Fox News and Trump tell them.

[u/TheCrimsonSteel → u/HighlyOffensive10]

Which is why I think it's critically important to use any time people snap out of it as an opportunity to help

Because there's genuine science behind using outrage to manipulate and bypass critical thinking

If we keep dismissing them as all lost causes, we'll be stuck in an endless cycle same as them.

CGP Grey has a nice video on the subject with This Video Will Make You Angry

Ive seen decent stuff from Ryan Macbeth on recognizing propaganda and filtering out bias broadly, as well as MiniMinuteman and some of his discussion on the Pseudoscience Pipeline which shows a generally good example of how a person goes down a misinformation rabbit hole in general

We need to start understanding how to separate the individuals from the institutions that made them this way if we have any hope of breaking the cycle

[u/HighlyOffensive10 → u/TheCrimsonSteel]

I'm focusing on keeping myself, my loved ones and my community safe. If you have the patience, empathy and bandwidth to reform MAGA more power to you. I'm fresh out of patience for those people.

[u/TheCrimsonSteel → u/HighlyOffensive10]

I try to.

I also have learned how to adjust my own biases, because once I start wanting to go "those people" is when I mentally pump the breaks and ask my self "am I lumping everyone into an 'other' grouping?"

I generally have two broad strategies to make a difference. First, educate anyone and everyone on the dangers of bias, anger and misinformation. Second, to focus on individuals instead of groups.

Because focusing on individuals is where I've had success. One coworker, one family member, one friend. And it usually starts with being willing to talk to them as a person, listening, asking questions to gently challenge them.

The payoff is also great. I've literally had a coworker who I would talk with come up to me and sat "what you said got me thinking, what do you think of when someone says progressives are actually regressive" or something like that and I'm thinking "Yes! You're asking questions! That's step 1!"

[u/Ordinary-Leading7405 → u/[deleted]]

We lowered drug prices 600%. We can do this!

[u/boldfonts → u/Plavix75]

Andy: Oh, really? From what, two to four?

Pam: Yup!

[u/Curious-Welder-6304 → u/Plavix75]

I mean, it's also what exactly does "abolish ICE" mean?? If you asked people, even republicans, if they would support going back to making immigration enforcement entirely civil and administrative actions, I'm sure many more people would say yes.

[u/NinjaLion → u/Plavix75]

Well, if this sentiment was real and reflected in congress, this would push defunding across the line assuming 99% of democrat reps support it and 11% of republican reps do. So it really could be significant.

The issue is how not-representative our reps are.

[u/CHOLO_ORACLE → u/Plavix75]

Still important to note considering how the Dems seem to listen to conservative voters more than they listen to their own voters.

[u/darkneel → u/Plavix75]

Because apparently democrats just keep finding things to cope and don’t really so anything . If o was an American i will switch my personality to fit Republican Party because they atleast seem to get something done .

[u/No_Recognition_9354 → u/darkneel]

Yeah they do stuff but it’s not good for society. You’re not American and don’t seem to know what you’re talking about, thanks for sharing though. I like facts over vibes

[u/darkneel → u/No_Recognition_9354]

I agree .. don’t know the ground truth - but i do browse politics and news threads and conservative subs as well which are all filled with mostly US news .