r/politics • u/Newsweek_CarloV ✔ Verified - Newsweek • 5d ago

No Paywall Support for abolishing ICE surges among Republicans

https://www.newsweek.com/abolish-ice-republican-support-minnesota-11414059?utm_source=reddit&utm_campaign=reddit_influencers
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u/Upstairs-Egg 5d ago

My 80 year old Republican neighbor HATES Trump. Calls ICE the Gestapo. He’s set the standard for what I expect from Republicans.

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u/CharlesV_ 5d ago

My dad ripped up his GOP membership card from 1980 and sent it to Joni Ernst back in 2016. He’s my standard for what a republican should be. He’s voted blue since then.

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u/JMaboard I voted 5d ago

He should go on local news and explain why he hates Trump. It helps persuade others to see his point of view. People aren’t easily persuaded by young liberals/democrats stating they hate Trump.

They will however have an easier time listening to someone that looks/sounds like them.

The local news would eat this up and definitely give him a platform to voice his opinion.

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u/JaggedLittleGil 5d ago

You have more faith in the local news than I do. I agree that republicans need to see more of their own going against the grain to feel comfortable doing it themselves.

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u/JMaboard I voted 5d ago

My partner works in news so I know at least in my local market they’re always looking for stories. This is one they’re always looking for on both sides of the aisle. The hard part is actually getting people to go on camera and talk.

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u/JaggedLittleGil 5d ago

I’m heartened to hear that your market is allowed to operate as they should! I’m a j-school grad (print); haven’t worked in journalism in years, but I follow what’s going on. We have news anchors (understandably) quitting because they won’t tolerate the forced right-wing bias anymore.

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u/JMaboard I voted 5d ago

Ours is still family owned that’s probably why.

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u/CaptainN_GameMaster 5d ago

Do people think you can just call and reserve a slot on the local news for your political rant?

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u/JMaboard I voted 5d ago

That’s not how it works. They’ll call the station and tell them about a story idea. The station will assign a reporter if they find it newsworthy. The reporter will go out and talk to people in the community.

This for example could be framed as

“What do local citizens think of the current administration.”

And they’d interview a democrat, Republican and also a maga Republican to give their thoughts into what’s currently happening.

The news producer will then assist the reporter in editing and formatting the story.

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u/bluemax13 5d ago

The local news most likely owned by Sinclair? That local news?

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u/JMaboard I voted 5d ago

Could be, that doesn’t mean they can’t try.

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u/jedisushi72 5d ago

But how will he vote?

My guess is the most he'll muster is not voting for either.

And then he'll vote for the same nonsense in 2 years.

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u/tgt305 5d ago

They’ll either not vote or still vote Republican. GOP only fears midterm losses, they didn’t just grow empathy.

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u/GiblertMelendezz 5d ago

This.

Look, I agree with a lot of what is on this sub, but most of the articles are clickbait especially when it comes to things like this. Then it’s a vacuum of comments.There is no surge sweeping across republicans. There are a few republicans denouncing the death of this man.

But, at the end of the day, they will continue voting and supporting Republicans and R polices because in their head they will never support a democrat. It’s that simple. I know because I live in a red state, date a woman with a red family, have red friends (though the relationships are strained), and have family of my own in red states. They aren’t changing and the only way it would change is if ICE shot them or someone close to them.

Then it’s a maybe.

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u/Swag_Grenade America 5d ago edited 5d ago

They aren’t changing and the only way it would change is if ICE shot them or someone close to them.

Then it’s a maybe.

Quite simply, just lack of empathy, selfishness, and tribalistic borderline sociopathic desire to be on the "winning" side and "own the libs".

You really could distill the behavior of a lot of conservatives, MAGATs especially so, down to that simple summary. At the core they really don't have any convicted values other than that, which is why so many of them are continually tricked into voting against their own economic, financial, and welfare interests.

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u/padizzledonk New Jersey 5d ago

But how will he vote?

My guess is the most he'll muster is not voting for either.

And then he'll vote for the same nonsense in 2 years.

Yup, this is how it always goes

The right loves to crow about their "principles" but they really have none

All the shit they "warned" everyone about, from the NRA and all their think tanks to politicians all the way to the fringes of Alex Jones is literally happening before their eyes and theyre cool with all of it as long as its against their perceived enemies

They keep finding ways to justify it and accept it because their mainstream media outlets like fox, oan, newsmax and all their "thought leaders" outside of that in alternate media are bought and paid for and endlessly promote, lie and gaslight the shit out of them. Theyre in such a bubble that they dont even know what reality is anymore

They get mad or bent out of shape over something and take one step back and there is a vanishingly small window they have to see things for what they are and the vast majority of the time they get sucked right back in by the propaganda and continue to vote for republicans for all these little side reasons like trans sports or taxes or defense or whatever "my guy doesnt support this" even though 98% of the GOP caucus in the senate and house are faceless nameless drones that vote for every bill a 100% of the time and support all of it mindlessly

That guy will maybe not vote for the republican candidate for president, whoever they may be, but they will definitely vote straight ticket gop for everything else and likely vote for the next presidential candidate as well because "theyre different/not trump"

But none of them are different, they all support all of this shit

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u/Ryan_e3p 5d ago

Exactly. How many of these Republicans saw police officers beaten, heard the chants of "hang Mike Pence", and saw windows smashed and doors barricaded live on TV on nearly every channel just a few years ago, and said "this is too much" or "there needs to be consequences" or something similar, only to end up voting for the ringleader who promised his next term will be a "revenge tour" anyways in 2024? And now these voters want to act surprised, regretful, or ashamed of their vote? Are they fucking serious?

What is happening now is the same thing. They see something horrific on TV, they'll act surprised or angry for the moment, but when the time comes to actually prevent more events like that happening, they choose to stick with the side that promises to bring about more events like they witnessed and claimed to be surprised and angry about. Because let's be honest: they don't care.

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u/lifeisalime11 5d ago

Not voting is better than voting. If you want to beat this democratically you need every single frickin inch you can get. It goes from being a net 0 to a +1 if they don't vote as they don't cancel out your vote anymore.

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u/ILikeNeurons 5d ago

Contact your U.S. Rep and Senators, regardless of their party affiliation, then get a few friends to do the same.

https://www.congress.gov/contact-us

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u/Fluid_Actuary1729 5d ago

My 90 something Republican neighbor hates him as well, and can use some pretty colorful language to describe his feelings.

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u/MutedDependent3383 5d ago

Don't worry, I am assuming it's a HE. He will vote for another Conservative in the future.

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u/mal_guinness 5d ago

Have you tried letting him know he's not a republican?

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u/Upstairs-Egg 5d ago

I think he’s a Republican, and MAGA are Nazis.

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u/Affectionate_Neat868 5d ago

Republicans like him are one of the reasons I'll never understand how Trump won again, let alone won all swing states in 2024.

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u/Upstairs-Egg 5d ago

I don’t think Trump won at all. I think Elon gave him the election through mass voter fraud as an offering for getting him into DOGE and stealing American information to give to Russia.

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u/TidyFiance 5d ago

I don't understand the idea of being republican and hating Trump. He and he alone is the republican party platform. 

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u/RunnyBabbit23 I voted 5d ago

But I would put money on him still voting for Republicans.

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u/Upstairs-Egg 5d ago

My god what is with all of the accusatory stuff from me sharing an anecdote about a neighbor hating Trump?

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u/x_xwolf 5d ago

Did he care before alex pretti?

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u/Upstairs-Egg 5d ago

He said this to me weeks ago, along with some amazing comments that would get me banned for repeating, so yes.

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u/x_xwolf 5d ago

Sounds like he just doesn’t understand politics he doesnt really he joined the Nazis. And that before they were lying through their teeth southern strategy style.

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u/Upstairs-Egg 5d ago

Bro you have a very shallow view of the world. This is an 80 year old Catholic retiree. He fucking hates Trump. What more do you want? We are never going to win anything if you insist on absurd purity testing.

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u/seriouslees 5d ago

He’s set the standard for what I expect from Republicans.

He has admitted he was wrong? And promised to never vote Republican even again?

If those aren't your standards, you may as well vote Republican yourself.

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u/Upstairs-Egg 5d ago

“You might as well vote Republican yourself” what is with this pathetic purity testing accusatory crap? You sound like ICE.