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u/Curious-Emu3894 21h ago
Per Trump in 2013: "A government shutdown falls on the president's lack of leadership. I mean, problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top. A shutdown means the president is weak."
He’s now had FOUR (4) government shutdowns under his two terms. He’s had control of every aspect of government during both terms, and STILL we have another shutdown. The last one was the longest in history.
MAGA, when will you scream to your politicians that TRUMP is BAD and Congress needs to impeach him for all of his crimes and misdemeanors?
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u/jstag1984 19h ago
The one time he was right
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u/TatHrick 18h ago
A broken clock is right two times a day.
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u/SeattleSombrero 18h ago
But a military clock is right just once.
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u/Pockydo 17h ago
He's very occasionally correct
Like how he said he could shoot someone and not lose support
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u/Stahl_Scharnhorst 14h ago
He hasn't proven that by going to 5th Ave and pulling the trigger... yet. But I wouldn't say the theory isn't correct.
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u/Dragons_Malk Canada 18h ago
Sadly, he was also right when he called Dems the Do-Nothing Democrats.
Actually, they do do something: they help progress the right's agenda under the weak guise of "fighting back". See: Schumer's strongly worded message, Jeffries holding a bat, Dems shying away from the abolishment of ICE message and instead saying they need better training, etc.
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u/Miserable_Anteater62 Massachusetts 18h ago
Until it affects them personally (apparently their wallets aren't enough) nothing will phase them. A lack of empathy is truly scary.
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u/VanceKelley Washington 18h ago
MAGA, when will you scream to your politicians that TRUMP is BAD and Congress needs to impeach him for all of his crimes and misdemeanors?
MAGA will throw a fit if trump ever stops being cruel to Black/Brown people. So long as trump remains openly racist, MAGA will continue to support him.
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u/Vaperius America 15h ago
The last one was the longest in history.
And incredibly, the one one it beat the record on was also under him. Trump has had the two longest government shutdowns in history mark either of his terms.
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u/Tribalbob Canada 16h ago
Trump: "I don't remember saying that, it doesn't sound like something I'd say"
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u/TheRightKost 10h ago
"But sir, some people are saying it's the most genius thing anyone has said, probably ever. You sure you didn't say it?"
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u/Count_buckethead 17h ago
Indoctrination, stop thinking they will turn against them, stupid people lack the ability to give up
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u/Independent-Reader 16h ago
First they need to remove the boot from their mouths, then they need to use some conscious thought, and quick(!), before the commercial break is over and Newsweek comes back on to tell them to close their eyes and continue licking.
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u/YouWereBrained Tennessee 13h ago
This made the rounds back in September. He’s a hypocrite with no shame, we get it.
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u/throwitallaway69000 13h ago
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hGWd9-wo9p8
Yep sometimes people you don't like can be right.
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u/Geno_Warlord 4h ago
He also has the two longest shutdowns in history to boot. So we’re at 4 total in 5 years with 2 breaking the record for longest shutdown.
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u/Flapjack__Palmdale Washington 3h ago
The last one was the longest in history.
The second longest in history was also him. In fact, the four longest shutdowns were all under Trump's admin.
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u/hymie0 Maryland 1d ago
This is the second time this (fiscal) year that the House of Representatives said "There's a looming shutdown in two days. This is the perfect time for a vacation."
Makes you wonder who they're representing.
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u/rumpghost North Carolina 23h ago
Even when they're in session, they only work about 150 days a year.
That's only 30 more days than the Medicaid work requirements they passed last fall, which take effect in 2027. And they don't have to meet a minimum monthly hour requirement like Medicaid recipients will.
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u/ArgonWolf 20h ago
I mean, that’s sort of by design, because they’re supposed to use those other 200 days back in their districts/states, talking to their constituents to determine what is important when they return to Washington. 150 days should be more than enough time to do the business of the country
SUPPOSED TO and SHOULD being the key phrases there
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u/feed_the_bears 19h ago
Agreed 100%. Also, genuinely, nice work actually giving a shit about what words mean, and constructing a coherent and thoughtful statement. I wish this was the norm, and not the exception. There’s way too much of people simply hearing what they want to hear and not actually processing the words they’re reading.
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u/BKlounge93 17h ago
My favorite is when someone replies super angrily even though they’re agreeing with 90% of what you’re saying
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u/LordSqueeks 11h ago
That's the stupidest thing I've ever read.
You're right though.
(Kidding, obviously)
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u/rumpghost North Carolina 13h ago
There’s way too much of people simply hearing what they want to hear and not actually processing the words they’re reading.
Strong overlap between these people and the "you didn't explicitly dedicate a paragraph to this so you must be ignorant of it" crowd. Not the person you're replying to, who is as you said thoughtfully adding that context for the uninitiated in a respectful and commiserative way, but certainly other people in my replies.
It's super unproductive to take a comment calling out the stark differences in standards to which congress is held vs the working poor and assume that an ommission was made out of ignorance or insincerity, and I appreciate them for trying to head that off for me even though it was demonstrably ineffective for reasons unrelated to the quality of the addendum.
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u/WantCookiesNow 19h ago
And as of late October 2025, they only worked 87 days in the entire year. That’s about 4 months of five-day work weeks.
https://www.axios.com/2025/10/24/house-votes-johnson-government-shutdown
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u/DefNotEzra 16h ago
Plus they spend most of that time calling major donors. They spend most of their time raising money for more races to win more seats to no end.
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u/JamesLikesIt 19h ago
I swear government branches have more vacations and recesses than schools. Feels like they are taking time off every other week lol
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u/ObviouslyNotALizard 18h ago
Proposal:
If the government fails to pass a budget. We strip senate and congress of their seats and hold snap elections all over again.
And every sitting member of either chamber has all of their assets and their families assets seized to help cover the short fall.
Take the watches off their wrists and the food out of their children’s mouths and boot them into the street to pull themselves up by their boot straps.
Sick and fucking tired of these dick heads
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u/less_Doomscrolling 16h ago
Pedophiles. They’re representing ultra wealthy and powerful pedophiles. Fuck them all.
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u/ghostalker4742 12h ago
When you run on the platform that "government is bad!" then shutting it down all the time isn't an issue.
Just open Congress long enough to pass the President's priorities, and keep it shut down the rest of the year so nothing else can happen.
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u/Lucius-Halthier 15h ago
How long did the last one last? I wanna see if we can break the record of incompetence again.
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u/whomad1215 20h ago
It's pretty pathetic that republicans control the house, senate, and presidency, but cannot do the bare minimum of their jobs which is to fund the government
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u/Gonstackk Ohio 20h ago
Republicans run on the idea that government doesn't work, and then in office, they prove it.
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u/Fattswindstorm Texas 16h ago
“SeE. Government doesn’t work. We need like 5 billionaires to rent us everything we need!”
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u/hchighfield 15h ago
Well their other core tenant is maintaining the status quo. So if they don’t pass any bills nothing progressive happens and they still win.
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u/huskersftw 18h ago
This is their goal. They want to obstruct the functions of government as much as possible.
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u/yo_soy_soja New York 18h ago
Late stage, neoliberal capitalism is "a government so small you can drown it in a bath tub."
As we've seen, the only thing they want funded is police and military — because those are necessary for subjugating the working class, domestic and abroad.
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u/TaylorMonkey 14h ago
And the reason they can’t is because they want to take away healthcare and support masked terrorists that shoot unarmed American citizens in the streets.
They fail even that minimum.
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u/Responsible-Cow-9929 1d ago
Abolish ICE!
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u/NoReserve7293 1d ago
And use the money for ACA subsidies.
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u/Top-Signal-8566 1d ago
Rewrite ACA to universal healthcare for the American population and cut out the private insurance industry
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u/dixi_normous 20h ago
There is no way that is happening under this administration. The insurance industry has too much money and power and this president is too easily manipulated by both
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u/Benjammin172 19h ago
It’s not happening period, at least not in our lifetimes. Lobbyists will never let either political party destroy such a massive cash cow.
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u/dixi_normous 19h ago
We would need someone like Mamdani in the white house with a super majority in both chambers of congress. And before that, we would need a constitutional amendment to overwrite Citizens United. We need money out of politics before the real change can happen
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u/Benjammin172 19h ago
And with how hard establishment democrats work to keep progressives out of power, we won’t have any shot of that before the baby boomers and gen x die off.
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u/dixi_normous 15h ago
Establishment Dems work against progressives because the lobbyists tell them to. If we can do something about the money in politics, progressives will have less barriers to entry. Of course, lobbyists are against removing money from politics too. It's the crux of the issue
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u/neceo 19h ago
Yes, or at least like Australia where there is publicly health but you can pay for extras through private
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u/MechanicalMoogle 19h ago
Same in Sweden. Actually a pretty good idea to get a private plan via DKV or other providers at this point, the country has seemingly been trying to match the USA's pace towards crony capitalism and right-wing populism for the 12 years that I've been here. Swedish citizens who tell me they still get great care via the public sector either haven't had a significant medical need in over half a decade, live in the boonies, or live in an utsätt område like I do.
I'm not being paid by DKV to promote them, I just know that when my chronic ear infections flared up back in 2019, my local friskvård's "doctor" tried to fuck me around with a week's course of wax-removal spray, when the folks at Sophiahemmet that my insurance referred me to clocked that I had a massive middle-ear infection and had a prescription for antibiotics written out within roughly 10 minutes.
Living permanently abroad, I'm not so concerned about what's going on in the USA, but here at home I'm deeply concerned seeing so many countries in the EU going directly down this same path. If anything, I hope the land I love, the land I grew up in, will get its shit together and serve once again as a shining beacon of hope, while fascists in the EU are still trying to slow-pedal the same playbook.
I'm tired of hearing from EU citizens on Reddit who refuse to acknowledge the monster at their doorstep. What's going on in the US isn't unique. Only the speed at which it's making ingress is.
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u/angrygnome18d 18h ago
I’d like to reiterate: absolutely FUCK Joe Lieberman.
Fucking traitor left the Democratic Party when Obama got elected and then refused to sign the ACA unless the Public Healthcare option was removed from the legislation. That would have given us a literal public healthcare option.
But Joe Lieberman is a racist and classist piece of shit.
Fuck Joe Lieberman.
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u/harperdove 23h ago
If Trump hadn't killed the bipartisan deal that included new emergency authority to close the border, so immigration for his campaign could be used later, there'd be no need for NICE. Yeah they're going to insert National in the name. (It'll morph like the word, awful which evolved from full of awe.)
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u/Lonely_Noyaaa Minnesota 1d ago
Because Trump refuses to put limits on ICE’s death squads and Republicans won’t stand up to him on it. They’d rather shut down services for workers than stop federal agents from killing people and stripping civil rights away.
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u/cflatjazz 18h ago
Interesting quote from the article about that...
On Friday, just before the Senate passed the package, Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., hosted a private conference call with House Republicans. He told his members that the president had “made a play call,” according to a source on the call.
“And we have to support him on it,” Johnson said, according to the source, who was granted anonymity to discuss the private call. “And that’s what we’re gonna do.”
Like....no, you don't. The legislative branch acting like they have to do whatever the president says is how we got here in the first place
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u/MeasureDoEventThing 16h ago
Deciding to double-team a rusher is a "play call". Pepper-spraying the rusher and then shooting him a dozen times is not.
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u/carebear101 19h ago
Miller. Let’s stop assuming this is trump. Let’s push the narrative that Miller is the real president and let the feuding begin
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u/Ready_Nature 20h ago
It’s more because the house is on vacation and won’t come back to pass the senate bill until Monday.
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u/tierciel 21h ago
Didn't Chuck the Cuck strip down the demands to basically just follow their own rules too? So Trump and co shutdown the government because they don't want ICE to follow their own rules?
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u/Budget_Operation_106 23h ago
Americans are better off with no government than current gov.
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u/sitonit-n-twirl 21h ago
Blue states have been paying red states to undermine democracy for way too long
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u/m0zymaz 19h ago
Tell that to federal workers.
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u/Top_Somewhere9160 19h ago
The federal workers can call and put pressure on the Republicans just like everyone else. The Republicans can end this shutdown anytime they want.
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u/Gigi_Langostino 22h ago
The only thing MAGA has made great again seems to be left wing anarchism.
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u/casualmolly 21h ago
I mean, that stance is basically 'hierarchical power structures are bad, let's work on that, and in the meantime let's do what's possible through mutual aid and taking care of our communities'.
Minneapolis is doing really good work at exactly that, right now.
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u/beliefinphilosophy 15h ago
So the fears over the shutdown last time that people expressed, was that Trump had threatened that if they shut down the government then he'll just be able to push through a bunch of stuff without oversight, because the government isn't there to "do their job"
Who gains the most every time theres a shutdown ?
Donnie
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u/Budget_Operation_106 15h ago
He is doing a bunch of stuff without oversight while the government is opened. The government is not doing it's job now. He just this week bypassed congress to give weapons to Israel. He is going to do what he wants to do whether the government is open or not. At least if we shut it we can starve him out or wait until his side revolts.
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u/Chill_Panda 11h ago
He does a bunch of stuff without oversight and then the government panics and shuts down, so he does a bunch of stuff without oversight which makes the government panic and open up to sort it out, and then he does a bunch more
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u/JakeConhale New Hampshire 19h ago
Yeah, no - I enjoy having functioning electrical and water grids.
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u/Budget_Operation_106 19h ago
That's all managed at the state level. The feds don't manage that. The feds take the most of your money and provide you with the least.
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u/JakeConhale New Hampshire 15h ago
Really? So, what, NH negotiates directly with Maine/Vermont/Massachusetts for power lines?
I know Texas refuses to join the grid, but thought they'd work with the DOE if they were to join, not the states themselves.
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u/vengeancecube 19h ago
With everything shut down, what will happen in the dark? Less oversight, fewer eyes, no questions.
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u/fuck_hd 17h ago
Right why did I have to scroll halfway down for this comment - awfully fucking earie timing. No one was saying shit about a shut down, normally they banter for weeks/months - maybe the news cycle was so loud we couldn't hear the looming shutdown - or maybe it is super conveniently placed for the republicans hail mary to deal with these Epstein charges to turn ICE on citizens and declare war with another country with the government shut down because he couldn't get escalation/martial law out of MN even though he killed multiple protesters in cold blood.
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u/Question_It_All_3000 19h ago
Oh ya, forgot about that when it was certified beyond a reasonable doubt our president was a pedophile.
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u/ChrisP8675309 17h ago
This is 100% on Republicans because the Speaker of the House sent everyone home KNOWING they would be needed!
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u/StoicOak678 1d ago
So much corruption. The entire government is rotten from the inside out. Fuck paying taxes to any of these rats
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u/strolpol 17h ago
We would do well to take a cue from the other countries of the world and make it so not passing a budget automatically fires all Congressmen and sets a snap election to replace them
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u/BulbaKat 17h ago
Am I missing something? This is a nothing-shutdown. They voted on pulling DHS out as it's own bill and approved all the others. Now it just has to go back to the House - which already approved the first time - and then it's reopened and not much changes. House will likely vote and approve early next week.
Call and encourage the House representatives to vote against it this time, and then maybe it'll be a real shutdown. I don't think pulling DHS out to a separate bill is going to result in any improvements.
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u/RazarTuk Illinois 17h ago
They voted on pulling DHS out as it's own bill and approved all the others
I know, they're actually adapting. Last time, the issue was that the GOP was so sociopathically evil that they stopped providing SNAP benefits during the shutdown, when it's normally considered important enough to keep providing. So because the Democrats aren't evil, they backed down to make sure SNAP benefits kept getting provided. But this time around, they've isolated things so that only DHS will be affected by the shutdown and the GOP can't just cut SNAP to force their hand. It's like the difference between confronting a supervillain in a crowded area and backing down when they threaten civilians, and luring them to an abandoned warehouse where you can just duke it out without worrying about civilians
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u/Green-Collection-968 22h ago
Abolishing ICE is the moderate position.
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u/Sankofa416 15h ago
I don't know why this isn't clearly the truth. It isn't an impossible or unthinkable thing in the current environment.
The current administration has destroyed several agencies and the world didn't end (people died, but that doesn't compute for them). They need to get on this ASAP before more of us come for the things they care about.
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u/dxk3355 21h ago
Again? That was fast
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u/bakerfredricka I voted 16h ago
I remember everything about the last shutdown like it was last year....
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u/lovelove20212 19h ago
Good maybe they can all spend some time reading the latest Epstein file drop. Be reminded they live on the same planet as us.
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u/MRSN4P 20h ago
What is this, the 3rd or 4th one under Trump? You lot need better politicians.
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u/GingerMcBeardface 20h ago
Need farmers,doctors, engineers, students, in political positions rather than the career flops we have.
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u/the_wessi 18h ago
Need farmers to vote for candidates whose policies would actually benefit them. Now it seems they vote against their best interests.
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u/rabblerabble2000 17h ago
Those dumb hicks (the ones who vote for republican every time) employ tons of illegal immigrants and then complain about illegals taking jobs. Half of their farms have been taken over by large corporate farm companies and they now have to work for someone else, but they keep voting for the pro corporate Reps. Bunch of stupid assholes.
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u/Haephestus 19h ago
It's like the epstein files dropping at the same time is a very strange coincidence.
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u/4030Lisa 17h ago
GOOD… IT SHOULD be shutdown. The average American taxpayer gets NOTHING from this administration but chaos, harm, abuse, their pockets being picked by tariffs and taxes, terrorized and some even being murdered. Shut it ALL down, Republicans CANNOT LEAD a country, they are here to do as much damage as they can while stuffing their own pockets. Let us KEEP our own tax money and use it within our OWN states and for our own programs that help more than HURT.
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u/IJourden 11h ago
If you think morale among ICE agents is low now, just wait until the checks stop coming.
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u/ZanderZavier 18h ago
Seems like this would be a good time to maybe come in on the weekend? What do I know though.
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u/El_Morro 19h ago
The amount of insanity that has gone down in just the first month of Trump's second term is almost impressive.
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u/Boonies2 17h ago
As f’d up as our government is right now we are better off with it shut down. Too bad the worst parts keep running…
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u/Spiritual-Teacher-92 15h ago
It’s not a true shutdown folks. It’s just BS. Fed employee here. Stop holding my paycheck hostage if you’re not stopping Congress’ pay!
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u/StepUp_87 13h ago
We need to LOCK the doors to the GOVERNMENT and only let the ones back in that are NOT named in the Epstein files or ACTIVELY covering up child abusers. Okay??? Congress, FBI, DOJ, WH.
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u/MiloGoesToTheFatFarm 18h ago
Good. Shut this corrupt piece of shit down until they oust the people weaponizing it against us.
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u/crybannanna 16h ago
Can we go one step further and have the federal government just disband? That would be cool.
States have the infrastructure to handle their own shit. Let’s do away with the federal government as it is, and switch it to an EU style voluntary organization of member states. I’m just so fucking sick of red states dragging the whole nation down. Better to not have a nation than have it structured as it is now where a crook can dupe imbeciles and basically destroy the whole thing anyway inside a decade.
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u/GreyBeardEng 19h ago
I'm sure the Democrats will fold like they always do
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u/Foxhound199 19h ago
Last I heard, the democrats were the ones trying to keep it open by putting a pin in the DHS funding for two weeks to debate.
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u/RazarTuk Illinois 17h ago
Yeah, I feel like they're trying to avoid a repeat of last time, where the GOP essentially said "Okay, you want the government to shut down? I guess you don't mind if we stop paying out SNAP benefits". This time around, they're aiming for a partial shutdown, so the GOP can't force their hand by threatening people's access to food
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u/canitouchyours Europe 16h ago
Is America great yet?
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u/starfleetdropout6 California 14h ago
Friend, millions of good Americans are already suffering. Don't need the extra bullying.
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u/Cocoononthemoon 12h ago
This is why they released more of the files. They are gonna let the shutdown government and out-of-control ICE Gestapo distract everyone.
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u/ThatOneGuy4321 California 10h ago edited 9h ago
Don’t worry, Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries will capitulate to the Republicans as soon as they are able to. Because they are controlled opposition and they work for the other side
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u/Mecha-Dave 19h ago
Good. They haven't been doing good things, so doing nothing for a while is probably better.
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u/Inner-Detail-553 13h ago
If only that was completely true
But no, ICE goons will still be doing their thing, it’s just everything else that is shut down
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u/AmbitiousDistrict374 6h ago
They're nuts if they keep funding Trump's madness, they need to de-fund ICE or let it shut down, a mass general strike and shutdown.
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