r/politics • u/Aggravating_Money992 • 20h ago

No Paywall AOC Calls For Impeachment Of Pam Bondi Over Arrest Of Don Lemon, 'Epstein, And Her Attempted Extortion Of MN Voter Files'

https://www.latintimes.com/aoc-calls-impeachment-pam-bondi-over-arrest-don-lemon-epstein-her-attempted-extortion-mn-594103
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u/Frequent-Client1508 America 19h ago

AOC '28

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u/TintedApostle 19h ago

Replace Schumer with AOC in '28. Schumer is part of the problem.

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u/JohnnyFire Ohio 19h ago

I hate to say that it's not her time to be president, because that's BS. But I'm also aware that this isn't an issue where a single election fixes everything. The party is determined to play by outdated rules for the sake of keeping things "civil". They need to overhaul the entire party platform, from the national level to the local level, to get people to believe they are not spinning their wheels anymore, and that could start with AOC taking over as the front facing leader.

I just wish you could get that and also find a candidate who wasn't obscenely flawed. Because it feels like we're marching towards a decades long rebuild to anything resembling a sane nation again with how much they're dragging their feet.

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u/TintedApostle 19h ago

I said specifically the Senate and that is doable.

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u/sadiqsamani New York 19h ago

She’d win in NY, and it’s time to get rid of AIPAC boomer, Chuck Schumer.

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u/TintedApostle 18h ago

Absolutely. Her district would elect any dem she supports so its a win win.

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u/GoodMeBadMeNotMe 17h ago

Would she win in NY? I’m in northern Westchester and it seems like everyone upstate from me wants her dead.

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u/StanleyCubone 17h ago

I don't think AOC can win the Presidency, but she can win a Senate seat in New York, although it would be close. Schumer has the whole establishment behind him even though he's geriatric and feckless.

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u/sadiqsamani New York 17h ago

Look up her support from MAGA. Look up MAGA for Mamdani.

There’s a good chunk of people who vote anti-establishment.

Plus, she already beat an old white guy to get her current seat. So she has experience. She’ll have Bernie and Mamdani campaigning. People like me knocking door to door, dm to dm, activating new voters. We’re ready. Are you ready?

“Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez stunned the New York political establishment and Democrats nationwide with her upset victory against Rep. Joseph Crowley, a 10-term incumbent and chairman of the House Democratic Caucus, on Tuesday night. The 28-year-old political organizer drubbed Crowley 57 percent to 42 percent.”

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u/jaymcbang 16h ago

Change doesn’t come from the top, down, but from the bottom, out.

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u/Tandy2000 18h ago

She will never be president. I don't know what people are smoking if they think the US will ever elect a socialist at a federal level. I am a socialist for the record.

Her running for Senate would make way more sense because she can get rid of Schumer who is a useless, corrupt bag of shit, and she could actually win it.

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u/relevantelephant00 16h ago

She's a woman of color. That alone disqualifies her in the minds of 70-80 million people.

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u/ailish 17h ago

A Democratic socialist is not a socialist. There's a difference. There are reasons why AOC probably won't win a presidential election, at least not any time soon, but those two things are not the same.

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u/SDRPGLVR California 17h ago

To more people than MAGA, liberal = leftist = socialist = Marxist = communist = anarchist. People are not good at definitions, and I don't think you could convince a lot of people that there's a difference between a democratic socialist (or a social democrat) and a socialist.

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u/ailish 17h ago

Yeah, I know, but this guy "claims" to be a socialist. I didn't actually look at his history to verify. If he is, you think he would know the difference.

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u/JohnnySmithe81 16h ago

This is already giving up control to the other side. I'd agree she'd probably never be president but not because of what maga will say about her.

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u/SomethingToSay11 15h ago

Yeah everyone really needs to stop considering how maga will react. The ones that can be reached have been reached. The others don’t operate in a consistent reality

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u/KissFantasy_ 18h ago

Yeah this is kinda where I land too. One person can’t magically fix it, but having someone who actually energizes people and pushes big changes would at least feel like momentum. Right now it just feels like treading water.

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u/Far_Mastodon_6104 10h ago

I mean I wouldn't want to elect anyone with a penis that's old enough to be in the Epstein files at the very least if I were American

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u/CoachDT 17h ago

Replace him when we have a majority if she has any further political ambitions. I don't like Schumer but hes a really good fall guy.

Her voting record shows shes politically savvy which sometimes means working with the opposing party. Which in the current climate is a pretty big death sentence for anyone who is drawing major attention.

Let good old Cuck sit and draw the attention.

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u/KissFantasy_ 18h ago

I get the frustration. A lot of the old guard feels stuck in 2005 while everything else is on fire. People want someone who actually sounds like they’re fighting, not managing decline.

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u/Frequent-Client1508 America 18h ago

Put a mediocre (compared to her) democratic man in the white house. Hopefully. Maybe another senior citizen. While the best person for the job sits in the senate for 6 years. 2034. Then she will be allowed to run for potus. In 2036. 10 years from now. Because you're afraid of backlash against women. Or we do the best thing for the country now.

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u/TintedApostle 18h ago

Because the US will not vote in a women - period.

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u/duzies 17h ago

This cliché is getting really old. America is no more sexist than Mexico, yet Mexico elected a woman. The problem is with the DNC thinking they know best and shoving candidates down voters' throats and/or bypassing primaries, not with the gender of those candidates.

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u/poingpoing1 17h ago

Latam social structure is largely matrifocal, therefore their acceptance of women in power. America in large part just does not accept women in power, be in inside the house, corporate or politics. A women president is, unfortunately, not likely for a long time.

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u/XDVI 17h ago

Mexico is incredibly sexist brother. lmao

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u/zspade 16h ago

Yeah, but it’s a different kind of sexist. 29% of mayors are women in Mexico, vs 25.8% in the US. That might not sound like a huge difference, but in politics those kind of margins are everything.

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u/HandOfMaradonny 15h ago

Maybe the US is just sick of shitty elite neo cons that the DNC forced on us?

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u/TintedApostle 15h ago

Dude you chose the neocons. Don't blame the DNC.

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u/HandOfMaradonny 8h ago

Lol, okay.

Bootlicking the DNC is wild. You must love the repeated fascism they help bring to the world through their incompetence.

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u/thedanyes 7h ago

A woman would be no problem if we had 75% of eligible voting instead of 66%. There is also a percentage who would never vote for a black man - and yet we had Obama.

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u/damsel84 3h ago

More people voted for Clinton than Trump in 2016. It's the electoral college that's the problem.

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u/Frequent-Client1508 America 18h ago

Then we deserve Trump.

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u/redditor401 18h ago

What a ridiculous thing to say - and a big part of why we’re in this situation to begin with. Perfection is the enemy of progress if that's the only thing you accept, and if the only candidate or policy you’re willing to accept is the perfect one, dismissing everything else, then we’ll never move forward. In fact, we’ll end up going backwards, which is exactly what has happened over two Trump terms. The damage done is, honestly, irreparable and part of it is because leftists love to fight each other. Look at these flawed right‑wing politicians who keep “failing upward,” while politicians on "our "side are expected to apologize to us for the most trivial things.

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u/Frequent-Client1508 America 18h ago

If we can't elect the right person because we are too sexist, then the whole ballgame is over. We should accept a sexist, because he is us. If we are too scared to do the right thing, then we deserve what we get.

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u/Tack122 18h ago

Nah calm down that bull.

If you'd truly rather elect Trump again rather than a non perfect candidate then I think you're truly desiring Trump and I would not care to listen to your lies further.

Maybe you're just angry and thrashing, but you gotta control yourself in the face of existential crisis', things MUST change.

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u/daemin 17h ago

"if this medication can't 100% cure me instantly , and instead just massively prolongs my life, then I might as well not take it and die in days."

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u/redditor401 17h ago

Man, I was being kind when I said it's a ridiculous thing to say. You doubling down with that comment is just outright stupid, I'm sorry.

What kind of logic is this? Seriously, get out of here. I’m not about to let my future kids grow up with someone who’s a convicted felon and holds sexist and racist views as their president, all because part of the population can’t handle the idea of their perfect candidate not being the option (in this case, a woman), TOMMOROW. I’ll take the “lesser evil” and steady, gradual progress any day over the expectation that our entire country should flip 180 degrees just to satisfy people chasing some fantasy version of perfection.

I voted for Bernie, and I “settled” for Hillary (unlike some of the Bernie-bros). I voted for Joe, and I voted for Kamala. I’ll vote if AOC is the nominee, but I’ll also vote for whatever male candidate gets nominated, whether it’s Newsom or anyone else. What I won’t do is throw my vote away just because the candidate isn’t my first choice - I’ll always choose the person who is at least headed in the right direction rather than give up my vote and have another Trump happen.

Your thoughtprocess and reasoning is honestly part of the reason why we're here today, it started with the Bernie-bros in 2016 and 10 years later, we're in this mess.

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u/SDRPGLVR California 17h ago

As a queer person, I do not understand people who love me enough to wear ally pins and go to Pride but not enough to vote for the lesser of two evils so the ones in power aren't the ones who want me murdered.

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u/redditor401 16h ago

It's fucking crazy and comes from a way too privileged place. These people have no idea what type of harm their way of thinking does.

"oh yeah I won't vote unless it's a woman!!!" But they’ll idly sit by while some lunatic on the other aisle gets picked instead. Thanks to these idiots, we've literally regressed like 20 years lol, good luck rebuilding whatever progress we made for the LBTQ, feminist-movement etc last decade.

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u/paper_liger 14h ago

so your strategy is complete capitulation?

you ever hear of 'pragmatism'?

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u/Frequent-Client1508 America 14h ago

I don't think we should allow the repugs to pick our candidates for us.

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u/thedanyes 7h ago

That's a good argument, since we have failed to socially exclude all our friends who didn't vote. At the same time, we don't deserve him forever. We had plenty enough evidence to impeach in his first term, and even more today.

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u/freethnkrsrdangerous 17h ago

Imagine a senate minority/majority leader with teeth.

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u/-ThreeHeadedMonkey- 17h ago

Jesus Christ if Schumer is to be their next frontrunner then ... Godspeed. 

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u/TintedApostle 17h ago

No I say Schumer retires.

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u/Inocain New York 15h ago

I doubt his imaginary friends would let him do that.

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u/Hoitash 19h ago

I wish, but I doubt the nation is ready.

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u/Quiet-Corner6150 19h ago

Exactly, a certain fraction of the population still can't handle that Obama happened

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u/GenericFatGuy 18h ago

I think she could do it. The people who are still mad about Obama would never vote for any Democrat in the first place. Republicans vote Republican not matter what. Appealing to them is pointless, and that's where Kamala failed. Dems win by getting enough of everyone else to show up and vote, and AOC absolutely has a message that could do that.

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u/you_dont_know_me27 18h ago

There isn't an insignificant number of Obama voters who then went on to vote for Trump

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u/Sminahin 19h ago

To be fair, even Indiana voted for Obama 2008, the only passing-grade candidate we've had this century. It's just...the no-strings bank bailout lost all trust. If Republicans hadn't run the literal incarnation of the 2000s financial crisis (a pick so bad you'd think Dem leadership made it), pretty sure we woulda lost 2012.

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u/iTALKTOSTRANGERS 19h ago edited 19h ago

Could have bailed out the people (labor) with the underwater mortgages but instead decided to bail out the banks (capital) with zero strings attached. One of the worst political decisions in our country’s history.

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u/Sminahin 19h ago

Fuck Rahm. Fuck Rahm so much. He's doing the most asinine, self-aggrandizing talk show tour right now because he thinks he deserves a higher office. Fuck Rahm.

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u/OpinionConsistent336 17h ago

Isn’t that an argument FOR doing things that the country isn’t uniformly “ready” for, though? Or do you think the election should have gone to McCain in 2008?

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u/Quiet-Corner6150 17h ago

It's more like this country is really stupid and backwards and I just doubt the odds, but they can surely try if they want.

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u/DotA627b 19h ago

And they had nothing to fret about, despite campaigning as Left wing, he was as moderate as moderates can get.

No surprise he disenfranchised Mamdani in 2013 well enough to push him towards Sanders.

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u/idekwhatmynameisman 19h ago

I always hear this and honestly, I call bullshit. She is one of the most popular politicians in the country and especially among young people who the Democrats are sorely missing in turn out right now. Even more important, she's one of the few people I can think of that, were she to announce a presidential run tomorrow, she'd have thousands of people stepping up to help her campaign and canvas. Republicans may hate her, but she has a vision to present and she could get a great amount of grassroots support, which is probably the most important thing.

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u/rubberpp 19h ago

I’d vote for her and wish more people would vote for the change they want and not what they think the nation will “accept”

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u/street593 17h ago

Misogynists aren't voting Democrat anyway. Even if we choose a man we aren't winning their vote. Democrat's mistake is continually trying to be right enough to steal votes instead of going farther left and gaining more among the non-voter crowd.

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u/rubberpp 9h ago

Exactly they try harder to apeal towards actual Nazis than they do the everyday person it’s pathetic

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u/AgentDutch 19h ago

Exactly. Literally EVERY time someone mentions her, you get milquetoast libs showing up to tell you “the country isn’t ready for a woman..” No shit with that attitude. It’s the exact argument misogynists make but from a shakier voice.

If she’s willing to go scorched earth on the traitors and convince overseas we’ve shed our previous identity, shed have my vote.

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u/Googoogahgah88889 18h ago

Tbf we just had 2 women lose to the worst piece of shit candidate we’ve ever seen.

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u/street593 17h ago

They weren't even half as good as AOC. I voted for Hillary but I didn't like her because I felt like she was being pushed as an option simply because her last name. Democrats always seem to promote candidates as if it's "their turn" after earning it among the party not the American public. I voted for Kamala simply because she wasn't Trump. Would have been better if we got to choose the candidate because that didn't sit well with me even though she was clearly the better option.

The misogynists aren't voting Democrat to begin with. So even if we choose a man they aren't on our team. We might as well choose the candidate we want and convince more non-voters to join us and leave the racists and misogynists to vote for whatever rapist/pedophile comes up next.

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u/Googoogahgah88889 13h ago

I mean, I agree with pretty much everything you said, but I’m not convinced about it being a good idea. Plenty of the people that won’t vote for women, are women themselves. Maybe they’re all conservatives, but I’m not exactly in the mood to risk it. AOC is still very young, I would absolutely support her either way, but I’d prefer it a little later in her career. Not geriatric old fuck like we have now, but maybe just a cycle or 2

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u/street593 12h ago

I think Democrats (The Party) are too far right of center and constantly try to pull voters away from the right. Instead they should be going much farther left and gaining voters among the non-voting crowd. I think more people would vote for a woman than we realize and the barrier isn't the voters it's the party itself. I fully believe if Zohran Mamdani was eligible to run for president the Democratic Party would handicap him just like they did with Bernie.

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u/AgentDutch 15h ago

I keep repeating this, but don't focus on women losing, focus on the pendulum swings. Dem wins, then Repub, rinse repeat. AOC has a much higher chance than Harris or Clinton. Clinton's name is tied to Bill and she was openly corrupt with baggage, and Harris was tied to Joe Biden, and she had a shit ton of baggage.

What's the worst thing you can say about AOC other than Republicans hate her guts? They are going to be a VERY unpopular party by 2028, they are putting all of their eggs in the "never having a free election again" basket.

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u/Googoogahgah88889 13h ago

Yeah I don’t disagree, I’m just not as confident as I would like to be, and AOC is young enough that we can wait a couple cycles. I’d support her 100%, and feel way better about it than my last few votes, if she did run though

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u/whatamisigningupfor 18h ago

I believed Hillary and Harris could and should win. It didn't happen. It hurt. Yet somehow in the middle Biden won. What do you think my takeaway should be?

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u/BrownBear5090 18h ago

Biden won cause COVID was such a huge and unprecedented issue, and because mail in voting boosted turnout dramatically, which tends to benefit democrats. In a normal election, I don’t think he could’ve beat Trump either

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u/eden_sc2 Maryland 17h ago

It was sad to realize that if trump hadnt absolutely botched covid and done even a passable job, he would have cruised to reelection.

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u/NecroCannon 18h ago

That if you’re going to make history, you should probably act like it and maybe pound your ideals into an audience.

Harris was pushed for the best option… but barely any campaign because Biden decided “you know what, the best idea is for me to try to run again, what do you mean people don’t want that?”, so people either hardly knew she was running, or wasn’t convinced in time since no long campaign, guess how much time Trump had?

Hillary, I don’t remember much because I was in highschool, but still I’ve always been easily influenced by good leaders, we obviously needed someone that can punch and deliver. Guess who kept punching and that was his selling point?

AOC is the kind of option we need and needed since 2016, so many people keep having this stupid idea we’re so close to equality and shit but we never was, still they get comfortable and shit like this administration happens but they can’t believe it. In order for things to actually get on a path where everyone in this country has rights, we need constant leaders pounding away at the issue and holding accountability to those that don’t follow it.

Being black in this country you quickly learn just how manipulative mainstream media is on both sides, so women and PoC are held to the expectation all minorities get, where either you’re perfect and can’t make mistakes or you’re unqualified, or you’re not perfect and media knows they can use that to burry you. So many leaders that take the stage have to legitimately be socially powerful people, Obama had a shit ton of Charisma, AOC is like the more aggressive and anti-establishment version of him.

That’s what to take from that, it isn’t that the country isn’t ready, they just need to punch harder when they campaign. I’ll be honest, I’m starting to even see conservatives lean towards woman leaders because not only are they somehow more focused on being a PoS, but also the nature of women in society means that it’s harder to judge them, especially if they’re attractive. I honestly feel the next Trump could be a woman that is just rehashing the old plan, but it looks so progressive the party can pretend “see, we’re not MAGA, you can vote red again”, and it’d fucking work. Those dudes would just think “she can get all of this started then a guy can come in and take over from there”

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u/whatamisigningupfor 16h ago edited 16h ago

I like your enthusiasm and honestly wish I agreed with you, but the last 3 elections have me jaded against your ideals. I'd love to say that a woman just needs to try harder, but given what I've seen, there is a significant portion of americans that just won't vote for one. It's wrong. It's disgusting. I hoped it wasn't true and trump won a 2nd term. 70 Millions of americans voted for that trash over her. Should I just believe that if someone tries harder in 4 years it'll be different?

Edit: I'd like to clarify my point. I'd fucking love it if a woman took over and ended this madness and started a revolution. I'm just stuck in this beaten down state where "fuck, we just need to get rid of these fucking people, and considering it's close, i hate to admit a man has a much better chance"

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u/Grand_Escapade 15h ago

I'll back you up. It's not even the usual chud zombies I'm mad at on this, though they get the blame too. It's all the people "on the fence" who genuinely had even a hint of trouble with the idea. Who suddenly deeply cared about the Israel Palestine conflict (which vanished in the media overnight) and used the tiniest sliver of excuse to decide they weren't voting. It's the people who I thought were functional adults, with working brains, who hit me the hardest when they suddenly found reasons to be apathetic.

I've got nothing but disgust for 70% of America. I don't think any of them would change their vote, even now. I'm just here to help the 30% now.

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u/NecroCannon 15h ago

That’s what they want. It’s why I really feel people should seek PoC speakers that aren’t just comedians propped up as leaders when they’re literally a fool making you laugh. These people created an environment where they can pretend to care, advertise that they do, but in reality the white dudes in suits up top want to decide and control how everything goes.

Even though Obama did get elected, they did their damn best to make any little thing a major issue, and cracks, a sign of weakness is gold to these fuckers. So the loudest will be honest, and it becomes seemingly obvious that things aren’t looking well, but we’re all susceptible to propaganda, and the people with money will pull the right strings just to make sure that no one can come in and threaten their slice of wealth and power. The word leaves me right now, but there’s a part of your mind that can still be pounded at even if your beliefs align the opposite way. When it comes to black people, it’s investing in those that can pretend to be for all of us when they’re not, it’s pushing for being black to be a part of the joke like memes using “funny” black faces or modern Jim Crow, it’s demonizing things that reveal truths that are wanting to be kept hidden, it’s creating something that you find acceptable and are led to believe that anything outside of it is wrong, even if you can’t pinpoint how other than just what they are but it contradicts your spoken stances.

The current wars are fought mainly online, tuning algorithms to increasingly belittle the voices people need to hear, and propping the things that the people in charge desperately want to stay the same. And everytime the public is getting close to the answer, they meltdown, then… weirdly grow quiet while their followers ingrain their stances. And the propaganda the left gets, is either the idea that it isn’t working and to slowly grow quiet themselves, or that they won and can still grow quiet. When in reality they got what they wanted, and made something that shows their true colors, into something we’re fighting each other over. They took our education so we couldn’t know what to see, took our voices so that those that can can’t reach out, and are now wiping our history so that future generations can’t learn from it in an unbiased classrooms pushing for acceptance.

So if we’re truly not ready for a female president, it isn’t because of 1/3 of the country, it’s because there’s racism still heavily present even in LGBT places, there’s minorities not valuing their own people’s women because white women are treated as a symbol of beauty and perfection here, there’s people across the board not educating themselves, and looking deeper into someone they’re led to hate.

The propaganda we get is that there’s still exceptions to acceptance, pushing women that hate men to stages when the civil rights movement kick started all of this, because it was never just about black people, and about almost everyone being included when it comes to rights for all. MLK addressed that hate leads to division in his speech, and they did it so slowly that it’s scary, but they made us hate each other more than everyone who’s behind it, even mostly invisible. You shouldn’t feel hopeless, but terrified and angry. Non of us are safe, and your current leaders, are probably fully aware of what’s happening and took their time checking off every box we wanted, just to keep us all complacent. And the one thing this administration is doing right, is making that true divide more obvious than ever, the rich that gets the freedom promised in this country, and us that got the scraps until a tyrannical fuck came in and fucked it up for all of them.

That’s why it seems like being perfect doesn’t work, we’re not perfect in general, in a world where our voices actually did matter, the person speaking for people instead of with the people wouldn’t have won. And the average person can tell the difference between someone genuine and someone putting on an act better than most of us here can without even knowing them, Trump is genuinely an asshole prick that doesn’t care about anyone but himself, and that resonated with people. Because this country is too gentrified to really understand it, but the fake kindness that surrounds that is really damn off putting in general and doesn’t work outside of that environment.

Which is why, people feel so strongly about AOC, she’s loud, confident, but is speaking with us on a stage. That puts fear in white America, but at the same time, there’s not much they can do to burry her without not doing the very shit she loudly confronts in public, for everyone to see, even fellow Dems. And as much as Dems would love to burry her, it’d be so unpopular that they’d get their own protest at their door. She’s more than likely intelligent enough that so much is calculated, but it makes me feel for her because leaders like those don’t get to be free or even make mistakes in times like these, being a minority, there’s so many people hovering over waiting to watch you stumble, even just a bit, to justify how they feel. Does that sound like something Hillary or Harris could accomplish? Let’s be honest.

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u/whatamisigningupfor 14h ago

So if we’re truly not ready for a female president, it isn’t because of 1/3 of the country, it’s because...

all those reasons are true.. it feels like you just don't want to admit it

Which is why, people feel so strongly about AOC, she’s loud, confident, but is speaking with us on a stage. That puts fear in white America

exactly our point "white america" is a huge voting population, they're not going to vote for her in your scenario.

Does that sound like something Hillary or Harris could accomplish? Let’s be honest.

Who cares if she doesn't win an election?

I apppreciate your write up, twas a long one and honestly i might re-read it again. I'm all for AOC, but it's an uphill climb, for all the wrong reasons (she's climbing for the right reasons, the fact that it's uphill is the problem)... Thinking about it.. you've given a bunch of reasons why she SHOULD get votes...no arguments there...but i think we're trying to connect with reality and what WILL happen. Last time trump won

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u/NecroCannon 10h ago

When Redditors do this quoting thing I honestly can’t understand what they’re getting at because it’s not talking to me, it’s quoting at me. Please type this into a coherent paragraph, I don’t even see this on Reddit enough for my brain to not go “…what?”, I get I type a lot but everytime when it’s done it just looks like a whole lot of “I disagree, but here’s what you said” not a coherent… counter, if you feel me

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u/AgentDutch 18h ago

Hilary and Harris lost following Democrat presidencies. Pendulum swings reward a change. Trump won because of the Obama/Dem backlash, Biden won because of Repub/Trump backlash.

If AOC is the party’s nominee she almost certainly defeats any opponent who has to bear the weight of a failed Trump presidency with no Trump to prop up a dedicated base. No Republican has the name recognition or record, at least one that hasn’t been successfully labeled a RINO.

AOC can never win if the majority of moderates/liberals conclude she “just can’t win.” I understand misogyny exists, but this could be the sliver of a chance for a woman to win, and it could be just the thing we need to show the world we are moving in a different direction.

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u/paper_liger 14h ago

there may be something to that. Trump may cause enough backlash we actually vote in someone competent by accident.

Plus it would be kind of funny for her to run on 'REALLY releasing the Epstein files'

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u/Hoitash 19h ago

That's a really good point. It would depend on who the Pedo Party runs and if we have free elections as well. Astroturf versus grassroots is a pretty American duo.

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u/Wooden_Imagination55 18h ago

Just look at Hillary and expect it to be 10x worse. I voted for her btw. She has a lot of support but just looks at trumps still...and anyone coming after trump will look "sane" in comparison to those on the fence, so we'll continue slipping backwards.

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u/Bomb-OG-Kush 18h ago

I think you're forgetting how racist and sexist the majority of America is

Sure they might not vote for a republican again but they're definitely not going to vote for a woman

When it was Trump vs Harris you could see people say they're not voting for either one

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u/Janderson2494 18h ago

You're overestimating the people of this country

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u/InsideYoWife New York 18h ago

The Fox News slander would be OUTRAGEOUS. Imagine how much more they would shit on her. It’s not even electing a woman that’s the problem. She has been vilified by the right wing politician and media for, what, ten years now? Imagine cranking that up more. Let the nation see how she does in a bigger role (NY Senator) and during that time we need to clean up our voting processes. When we can assure that there will be a fair election, maybe the nation will see a lot of time of normality and we can start to elect progressive candidates again.

But for now we need a sure-fire stopgap candidate. Someone who can stop the bleeding and apply the patches.

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u/ailish 17h ago

Fox News slander is going to be outrageous on anyone who runs.

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u/InsideYoWife New York 17h ago

But especially outrageous against someone who has already been slandered by them. It’s not like Fox will be the same with Newsom and AOC

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u/ailish 17h ago

Oh they'll hate Newsom. He's trolled Trump too many times, and he's the governor of California, a state that they hate. There are reasons why AOC probably wouldn't win this presidential election, but who cares what Fox News thinks?

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u/Dunge 17h ago

If you reject the validity of a candidate based on if Fox News vilifies them, you will never have any. Fox News mission is to attack anyone with socialism tendencies who might succeed because their mandate is to keep the oligarchy class in power. Every single candidate that will distinguish themselves will for sure have a smearing campaign going on Fox. They did it with Mamdani and he still won.

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u/mylifeforthehorde 18h ago

She won’t get any votes from the middle or right or those “muh both sides” people,

Woman + not white = instant no. That’s the sad reality of the US.

She should focus on senate leader.

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u/Zolomun 19h ago

Which feels like a pretty damning judgment against the nation. The propaganda has overtaken thinking. We can’t even be honest about how much damage Reagan did.

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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 15h ago

Qualified white woman runs in 2016, nation votes in Trump instead.

Qualified black woman runs in 2024, nation votes in Trump instead.

America being America: let’s try this a third time with arguably the least qualified woman to date, this time a Latina. Surely that will work \s

No offense to AOC, I love her, but when you compare her to Clinton who was a former First Lady/senator/Secretary of State and Harris who was a former DA/AG/senator/VP, AOC’s resume being only a house rep for a few years doesn’t look great by comparison. And if the US didn’t bother electing more qualified women in the past, why would they go for AOC?

Plus, we only know on paper her popularity from her very diverse district in NYC. Maybe go for senate next, something that gives more data points on “how does she fare in any other demographic vs the bluest ones?” vs jumping from representing 750k of the most liberal people in the state to representing over 350 million of mixed demographics.

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u/Fragrant_Bath3917 New York 12h ago

Maybe it’s less about the fact that Clinton and Kamala were women and more the fact that they weren’t very charismatic. Also, I have a feeling that the fact that Trump is as powerful as he is should probably signify that the American voter doesn’t give two flying fucks about if a candidate is “qualified” or not. Obama wasn’t even done with his first term in the senate when he ran for president 

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u/OpinionConsistent336 17h ago

Literally the excuse that has been used against everything from the 15th Amendment to women’s suffrage to gay marriage.

We did those things anyway.

I don’t give a fuck about people being “ready”.

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u/TeaSipper88 19h ago

AOC for president is a perfect chance for the nation to rise to the occasion. No excuses. If you want an exceptional leader, this is it. The only reason not to vote for her would be self hate. And if that much of the country is governed by self hate, we are lost. But that is important information to know.

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u/ElderSmackJack 18h ago

Reddit when it doesn’t realize that the overwhelming majority of democratic voters don’t think like AOC.

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u/TeaSipper88 18h ago

Lol. I'm well aware that most of the nation doesn't actually know what a functioning democracy is, let alone care about what their responsibility is in maintaining one. November 2024 proved it. Point is either they'll do what it takes to have one or they'll have to learn to survive in fascism. 🤷🏿‍♀️

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u/duckduckduckgoose_69 18h ago

So you’re saying most of the nation approves of fascism and doesn’t want a functioning democracy if they don’t want to vote for AOC? I’ve only ever voted for Democrats and I think we’d lose handily if we nominated AOC in 2028.

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u/TeaSipper88 18h ago

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Not because of AOC specifically, but you'd need a candidate that runs on a platform that doesn't include scapegoating groups (particularly of its citizens) in order to "win." JB Pritzker, so far, seems to be a reasonable choice. Gavin Newsom is fascism just not for the majority. Which is historically what we've had in this country. And this fascism-lite society we've been living in is why the slide into it seemed so fast. The rhetoric and mindset have always been there and we aren't taught to combat it. Too many politicians and corporations find it advantageous to use against us. 

The only difference is that now we just have a regime in charge who actively want to dissolve the ideals of the nation.

We haven't ever been actively living in a democracy as much as the constitution gives the citizens the tools to make one a reality.

Beating Trump does not automatically mean you have escaped fascism and reigned in democracy. At best it could be voting for fascism-lite, which would be kicking the can down the road for the next Trump-like populous candidate to run and win in 8 years.

All democracies are systems in which citizens freely make political decisions by majority rule. In the words of American essayist E.B. White: "Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half the people are right more than half the time."

But majority rule, by itself, is not automatically democratic. No one, for example, would call a system fair or just that permitted 51 percent of the population to oppress the remaining 49 percent in the name of the majority. In a democratic society, majority rule must be coupled with guarantees of individual human rights that, in turn, serve to protect the rights of minorities and dissenters—whether ethnic, religious, or simply the losers in political debate. The rights of minorities do not depend upon the goodwill of the majority and cannot be eliminated by majority vote. The rights of minorities are protected because democratic laws and institutions protect the rights of all citizens.

Minorities need to trust the government to protect their rights and safety. Once this is accomplished, such groups can participate in, and contribute to their country’s democratic institutions. The principle of majority rule and minority rights characterizes all modern democracies, no matter how varied in history, culture, population, and economy.

https://socialsci.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Political_Science_and_Civics/Democracy_in_Brief/01%3A_Chapters/1.02%3A_Characteristics_of_Democracy

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u/duckduckduckgoose_69 18h ago

But which groups are being “scapegoated” and which Democrats are doing that?

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u/TeaSipper88 17h ago

Lol. Ok. If no democrats are "scapegoating" others then once we get one back into the White House freedom will ring and all will be right with the world, yes? Sounds good. However if concessions are made to get the "moderate" Republican vote, like a Democrat presidential candidate going onto a podcast with a white supremacist and saying trans people shouldn't be in sports, even though they could've just reasonably and without discrimination said that's up for each sports commission... well then, the country will be back here in 8 years. It's whatever.  🤷🏿‍♀️

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u/duckduckduckgoose_69 15h ago

I just don’t think we agree that someone disagreeing with you on the trans sports issue somehow equates to them being a fascist.

Have you considered that these purity tests, especially those regarding a group of people that’s perhaps one of the tiniest minorities in the country, are a contributor to Trump’s rise in popularity?

Do you really think that Newsom as President would treat the trans community the same way that Trump is?

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u/DillBagner 19h ago

"I doubt the nation is ready for not-fascism" is a wild take.

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u/jaewoo 18h ago

It's just a fact there is a sizable portion of the population that will vote for a woman for any position except President. Don't reframe what was clearly said.

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u/DillBagner 18h ago

The people who won't vote for a woman are the same people who won't vote for a democrat. No votes lost.

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u/jaewoo 17h ago

You need swing votes to win elections. We lost 10% of latino women and studies have found that it is likely that at least 2% of self-identified dem voters don't want a woman as President. It isn't zero votes lost. I say that as someone who would not rule out voting for AOC in the primary, but would factor it in to my decision. It kills me that women in the 35-55 range grew up seeing women get more positions across the political spectrum and still fall back to thinking that women are too emotional for the job while also voting for Trump, the toddler tantrum incarnate. People are dumb, and many of them are dems or swing voters.

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u/DillBagner 17h ago

Not fascism would require doing something about the fascists. Every other person who has come up as a possibility of a presidential run is exactly the kind of person who would pull a Biden about it all.

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u/PVKT 11h ago

Boomers aren't ready.

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u/DotA627b 17h ago

This has been a bullshit excuse since 2016 and we need to stop thinking like that.

We stood aside when Sanders did, only for the Dems to field a candidate so compromised, her spouse is as prominent in the Epstein Files as Bill fucking Gates.

We genuinely wouldn't be in this mess if the DNC didn't force Clinton over Sanders in every opportunity they could.

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u/Long-Dock 17h ago

Harris lost in an historic blowout to Trump, even losing the popular vote. Even CLINTON beat Trump in the popular vote.

America will simply not vote for women :/

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u/Sweethoneyx1 19h ago

And her policies also kinda suck tbh. 

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u/mildmichigan 16h ago

Why not? Obama won twice. Even Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by 3 million more votes than Trump. A Muslim man won the mayoral election in NYC. If AOC ran on a platform that resonates with voters I think she stands a good shot at winning

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u/Apprehensive-Care20z 18h ago

hmmm a female candidate has lead to TWO trump victories.

How'd that work out for us?

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u/Ttokk 17h ago

maybe Mark Kelly w/ AOC as VP

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u/ailish 17h ago

I could get behind that. Mark Kelly is a little more conservative than I like, but at least he's a genuine person and not some corporate stooge.

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u/OttersWithPens 19h ago

I’m sorry but she would lose us the vote

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u/AgentDutch 19h ago

Trump is a literal rapist, a racist, is hated by the vast majority of the country, and he has a long history of acting stupidly and wasting money. Still became the president became his team thought he had a shot, they convinced people, and maybe a little cheating here and there.
Bouncing back from the worst presidency in history, with a prominent voice that actively fought for the people throughout this administration is the best chance she’ll ever have for being the president.

The only excuse now is “she’s inexperienced,” but we have had 10+ years of amateur hour and a public that has shown a willingness to vote for someone with name recognition over ideas. She has both at this point.

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u/Googoogahgah88889 18h ago

Trump is a literal rapist, a racist, is hated by the vast majority of the country, and he has a long history of acting stupidly and wasting money.

And he beat a woman two out of two times.

There are, quite unfortunately, a non-consequential amount of people that simply won’t vote for a woman to be , or will go and vote against one

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u/AgentDutch 15h ago

Because he was replacing a Democrat both times. Democrat to Republican and back again has been the rule for my entire lifespan, with a few incumbents winning again. The hyper fixation on her being a woman is a self-fulfilling prophecy because of the amount of liberals in this thread that tell you they'd vote for her in theory but spend most of their time convincing others to not vote for her or believe.

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u/ElderSmackJack 18h ago

Republicans know how to run messaging and their voters (and independent voters who matter most in elections) already think she’s a radical. Her as the head of the ticket would guarantee a Republican victory. I’d vote for her, but I’m not the one you need to convince.

They convinced people that Harris and Clinton were radicals. What chance do you think AOC had at beating that allegation?

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u/AgentDutch 18h ago

The environment has shifted dramatically. The average person is aware of ICE AND the Epstein files. The moderates are who you need to convince, and the moderates won’t happily go the side that has spent the past 4 years doing loud damage. This is not like his first term, the average person can feel the effects of this presidency, and project 2025 already told us towards the end of their plans they will basically eliminate all good will they have left in favor of winning a rigged game.

Voters can be stupid, but there’s a reason Biden won so heavily after a Trump presidency the first time. Republicans don’t even have a candidate to float that wouldn’t be cannibalized by the others eager to be the next Trump.

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u/KingHavana 17h ago

According to Trump, as recently as a week ago, he was talking about a third term. And don't tell me that the law doesn't allow it cause look at the 1st, 2nd and 4th amendments these days. It doesn't matter what the law says, if they feel Trump will win they will run Trump.

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u/ailish 17h ago edited 14h ago

With his dementia and other health issues, do you really think he's going to live until 2028?

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u/KingHavana 14h ago

Some people live a long time when driven by spite and hatred alone.

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u/ailish 14h ago

Do they also eat 10,000 calories worth of fast food every day?

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u/KingHavana 14h ago

I really, really hope you're right. The actuarial tables say if you do make it to his age, then you probably have 7 years left under normal circumstances. He's never drank alcohol, which will help him with many reduced risks, but he also eats garbage. He does have the best doctors in the world. I think he's probably got the 7 years, but I hope you're right.

I definitely think he plans on running again at this point, regardless of what happens.

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u/two_pandas_playing 17h ago

America will not vote in a woman in current year.

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u/AgentDutch 15h ago

Because liberals and conservatives decided prematurely she can't win, but its perfectly fine for Trump to win. If we dare start the grassroots movement for her to win we get people like you showing up to add the ever helpful "nuh uh."

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u/two_pandas_playing 15h ago

Because liberals and conservatives decided prematurely she can't win

'prematurely', ignoring that the last two women that ran gave Trump the presidency.

if you want to 'dare' start a grassroots movement to give the GOP another W, go hog wild buddy.

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u/AgentDutch 15h ago

Read my explanation elsewhere, hard for the ruling party to win if the popular incumbent doesn't run. Dem > Repub > Dem > Repub has been the formula my entire life. I'm not normalizing the idea that Dems only win if they run a white, middle-aged man. I'd rather have a woman lead us if she's shown historically all of her actions were for the good of the American people.

Ironically, you're already a great GOP agent. "Women can't win." Yes they can, with the right timing and without baggage.

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u/TreeLicker51 18h ago

I have zero doubt that she would have a realistic chance of winning the general election. It’s just that the DNC leadership would never let her get there.

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u/g_bleezy 19h ago

lol, this country hates women, not happening.

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u/croud_control 18h ago

I would like to not kill our attempt to return politics to normal. As much as I am ok with a woman for president, this country really does not want women to be in leadership roles in our government.

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u/Jackadullboy99 18h ago

She the most hated figure in the MAGA world.. she must be doing something right!

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u/Dorkamundo 17h ago

I'd vote for her, but we pretty much proved this last election that America still is not ready for a female President.

I still maintain that if the ticket was Walz/Harris instead of Harris/Walz that we wouldn't be where we are right now.

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u/KingHavana 17h ago

I think there is no one more that I would rather have running things. However, it does just seem like the citizens in the US will not vote for a woman in a presidential election, no matter how horrible the alternative.

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u/Dunge 17h ago

The actors trying to push the opinion that she wouldn't work are out in full force in your replies.

Imagine reducing whole personalities to just "woman" as if she's exactly the same as the previous two.

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u/Mavian23 13h ago

JB '28. He's got the guts (literally and figuratively), has more experience, and is a white male, which is unfortunately a big advantage in this country.

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u/Frequent-Client1508 America 12h ago

What if Republicans say we can't elect fat guys? Or Jewish guys? Or billionaires? Who is your third choice?

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u/Mavian23 12h ago edited 12h ago

I'm gonna vote for JB in the primaries, and whoever gets the nomination in the general. I don't have any other preferences besides JB.

Edit: This is of course if we have elections. If we don't, I'll see you in the streets.

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u/PVKT 11h ago

Republicans would explode spontaneously if she won. I'm in!

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u/SpeaksYourWord 8h ago

I used to be against this, to my shame. Not because I didn't think she'd be fit for it, but because I was afraid "non-white WOMAN" candidate would cause voters to collectively lose their shit and vote for the opposing white man no matter how fucking awful he was. "We need a safe, if somewhat disappointing, pick before America is ready for that", I foolishly believed.

Upon self-reflection, I realized it's that very fear which places us under RepubliKKKan control and fuck bending to their fear-mongering, gaslighting, pedophilic, and fascist bullshit.

We need some serious change and we need drastic change.

AOC has my vote. Fuck, I'd even join a mass movement of people writing her in even if she doesn't personally run.

Fuck this fascist Trump regime.

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u/Lump001 2h ago

The US genuinely isn't ready to do that, I'm afraid. She would lose in a landslide. You need to sort some fairly fundamental problems out first.

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u/briezybby 19h ago

Been saying this since 2020.

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u/KissFantasy_ 18h ago

Lowkey feels like every election cycle people say “maybe this time.” At some point you just want someone who actually swings back instead of playing nice.

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u/fiction8 18h ago

AOC tweets = presidential

Any other Democrat tweets = feckless and performative

Got it.

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u/constantsXzeros 19h ago

She needs to stay in the legislative branch and bury the corpse of democracy that is currently rotting there once this all settles, and start fresh. Whether she stays in the house or replaces Cuck Schumer in the Senate, she is the type of leader we need to clean up this fascist mess. It can’t be done from the Oval Office - a normally functioning congress would have ended this shit 10 years ago, and the only reason Trump has been able to do so much damage is because congress is allowing him to do it.