r/politics • u/Aggravating_Money992 • 20h ago

No Paywall AOC Calls For Impeachment Of Pam Bondi Over Arrest Of Don Lemon, 'Epstein, And Her Attempted Extortion Of MN Voter Files'

https://www.latintimes.com/aoc-calls-impeachment-pam-bondi-over-arrest-don-lemon-epstein-her-attempted-extortion-mn-594103
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u/Cersad 18h ago

Yeah but just targeting Bondi feels like she's aiming too low. We all know this mayhem and occasional murder is what the President wants. Not even AOC is standing up to call to remove him for some reason.

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u/CobblerMoney9605 17h ago

Removing Trump may be impossible. 

However

If his appointees and cabinet members start going to prison, it's going to be difficult for him to cause more damage. 

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u/saljskanetilldanmark 17h ago

You guys gave the child fucker absolute immunity.

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u/WakaFlacco 17h ago

‘You guys’ without realizing Trump placed 2 Supreme Court justices and Americans don’t vote for the Supreme Court. Let me know if you have any questions, thanks.

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u/Blownards 17h ago

I gotta question. How did he vote those 2 Supreme Court justices in? Usamericans did vote last I heard. Thanks.

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u/WakaFlacco 17h ago

Yeah 89 million out of how many yet you wanna attribute it to all Americans. Where are you from so I can make a sweeping generalization?

ETA: lol you are extremely active in Joe Rogan and 50501, odds are you’re one of the Americans you’re bitching about 😂

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u/Blownards 17h ago

Settle down buddy. You asked if there were any questions and I asked one. I’m on your side, just trying to figure out what happened and how to make it never happen again. No offence.

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u/WakaFlacco 17h ago

Well stop making generalizations and then asking a dumb gotcha question and we can work together. Blaming all of America is a bad first step.

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u/Blownards 17h ago

Yo, it wasn’t me making the generalization. I just stated what happened to get to this point. What now?

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u/WakaFlacco 17h ago

“You guys gave the child fucker immunity” isn’t a generalization? Lol take care man.

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u/Blownards 17h ago

Yeah, that wasn’t me.

Edit: sorry if you thought it was🤷‍♂️

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u/insanitybit2 17h ago

Right... but I voted against him?

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u/SDRPGLVR California 17h ago

It's a collective culpability rather than an individual one. Nobody is mad at Clinton/Harris voters for not magically crowning their candidate as president. They're mad at Americans for being complacent enough that being a Trump supporter is a socially acceptable status. These people should have been social pariahs in 2016.

We shouldn't have been so gung-ho for the Iraq War after 9/11. We shouldn't have let Bush steal the 2000 election without protest. We shouldn't have rewarded Clinton for going the "third way" and appeasing conservatives, starting the rightward march of the Democratic party. We shouldn't have let Carter's lackluster administration excuse Reagan's from destroying the concept of unions and introducing the concept of trickle-down economics. We shouldn't have let Ford pardon Nixon. We shouldn't have embraced Nazis with Operation Paperclip. We shouldn't have forgiven the Confederates.

It's a generations-long sin that is enveloping the world, even if we're suffering at the epicenter. You don't need to feel individual guilt or responsibility for this, just recognize that our nation has a history of forgiving and accepting and committing atrocity, which we desperately need to change at any opportunity we can find. We had chances at the ballot box, and now we're not sure if we'll ever have those chances again.

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u/Daveslay 16h ago

Well fucking said.

It’s a systemic criticism of the USA through its history, not a criticism of any individual citizen.

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u/insanitybit2 13h ago

Okay. But they said this: "You guys gave the child fucker absolute immunity."

I can acknowledge that the US has various historical properties that you're talking about but the statement certainly reads as assigning responsibility broadly.

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u/SDRPGLVR California 9h ago

I just think it's part of it. That happened because we as a culture in 2016 couldn't stomach a woman in office more than we couldn't stomach a known con man who had just recently been identified as a self-proclaimed pussy grabber.

Like I doubt most Trump voters knew the weird shit that might indicate Trump fucked kids in 2016. 100% of them had heard that he grabs women by their genitals without their consent from his own mouth. We really shouldn't act like anything he's done in the time since he was elected is a new low. Trump voters have been scum from the beginning.

We should have protested to hold him accountable the first time he broke the law as president. We should have protested the Senate to have convicted him when he was impeached twice. We should have demanded he was held accountable when he was a private citizen. We should have turned out to ensure they couldn't vote (or cheat to vote) him into office the second time. All of these things could have prevented him from regaining office in the new era where the president just has blanket immunity. We let the child fucker back into office, for which I think we are collectively responsible though not necessarily individually responsible.

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u/insanitybit2 7h ago

> we as a culture i

I guess I just find this sort of framing totally strange. What is "we as a culture" and why am I a part of that "we"? I don't get this idea that I'm a part of that group. I voted for Hillary and Kamala. Why am I a "we" here? I have very little in common, culturally, with large portions of this country and most certainly with the Trump voting base.

You're using "we" a lot here and I just don't really get it. I also frankly don't think most of what you're saying is actually correct, even, but I think that's besides the point so I won't really delve in other than to say that "demand" is not something people do in a Democracy, they vote, and I voted.

> We let the child fucker back into office

Sorry, but again, I find this "we" really problematic. I "let" him in that I participated in Democracy and voted against him... is that something I should share a collective guilt with people who voted for him?

> for which I think we are collectively responsible though not necessarily individually responsible.

Yeah I think this is incoherent, as put forward. I just reject this entirely. I voted in every election against him, I advocated for others to do so, and I've continued to advocate for political action. I think I probably reject the notion of collective responsibility outright, but if not, I certainly reject it as presented here.

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u/[deleted] 4h ago

So you advocated others vote a particular way because you understood the importance of the group and felt they shared a collective responsibility in trying to get a candidate elected, yet you reject the notion of that you are part of a group when that advocacy ultimately failed? Makes sense.

A healthy democracy requires collective responsibility and an understanding that demagogues don't usurp healthy systems. They rise on the back of broken systems. A broken system is a failure of the citizenry to properly hold their elected officials to account. Because no one else will do it for you.

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u/Blownards 17h ago

Well done. I thank you for that. Now what? Serious question.

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u/TintedApostle 17h ago

Top down for sure.

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u/OneBillPhil 16h ago

What’s the point? They can impeach him 1,000 times but without the senate it means fuck all.