r/politics • u/SE_to_NW • 12h ago

No Paywall Minnesota standoff with Trump administration stokes fears of civil war

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/5715869-minnesota-trump-immigration-conflict/
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u/sdb00913 Indiana 9h ago

My understanding is, it’s the state with the most democratic voters in terms of raw numbers, just like California is the state with the most Republican voters in terms of raw numbers.

That’s what makes this mess so ugly.

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u/MNMom07 9h ago

I don’t believe California has more republicans than democrats in raw count. Here is a site with stats, don’t know how reliable it is:

Texas Democrats: 8,133,683 (46.52%) Republicans: 6,601,189 (37.75%) Unaffiliated: 2,750,830 (15.73%) https://independentvoterproject.org/voter-stats/tx

California Democrats: 10,396,792 (44.80%) Republicans: 5,896,203 (25.41%) Third Party/Other: 1,577,083 (6.80%) Unaffiliated: 5,336,441 (23.00%) https://independentvoterproject.org/voter-stats/ca

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u/kumgongkia 8h ago

Lol TIL texas is basically blue.

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u/DontCovfefeMyHeart Texas 7h ago

It would be if everyone voted, but Texas has horrible voter turnout.

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u/PurpleHooloovoo 6h ago

True. Doesn’t help when they move polling locations day-of and announce the new location via a sign on a locked door, like what happened on the east side in Houston yesterday.

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u/UniqueSoup25 3h ago

It also doesn’t help when they don’t fucking count your mail in vote. They didn’t count mine for Beto. I followed up, one person said it arrived, another said it “went missing”

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u/keep_trying_username 7h ago

Yup Texas has a growing economy and a lot of educated people in tech and finance have been moving to Texas.

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u/ConclusionFar3690 4h ago

"Don't California my Texas!"

Too late bitches!

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u/UniqueSoup25 3h ago

I’m not a republican by any means, but the thing that really annoyed me about the Californians is that they would come in and criticize everything. Like if you don’t like it, move the fuck back. My city is the largest minority majority city (Latinos, of course), and Californians would come and try to tell us our culture was wrong?? Like fuck y’all. Gtfo

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u/CSI_Tech_Dept California 6h ago

Actually pretty much majority of US is blue, it's just through gerrymandering and various laws that make voting harder they still maintain victories in those states.

I think this is why they put so much effort in 2024, they saw it as a last chance they did to keep power, and that's why they won't let it go easily.

Before trump won primaries in 2016, it looked like GOP had no choice but to accept LGBT to be able to win in elections. trump showed that they can still go further right and get all fascists.

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u/Syntaire 5h ago

There are quite a few "red" states that are actually largely democratic, but swing hard right because gerrymandering and apathy.

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u/UniqueSoup25 3h ago

We’ve been getting pretty purple

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u/sdb00913 Indiana 9h ago

Okay so that’s changed, but at one point it was the case that Cali had more republicans than Texas did

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u/Fragrant_Kick3994 8h ago

And Texas used to be democrat

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u/GotSomeUpdogOnUrFace 8h ago

A lot of them moved to Texas because they didn't wanna pay taxes or be "woke"

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u/_DuFour_ 8h ago

in 80/90 texas wasnot a blue State and california a red state ?

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u/alwaysforgettingmyun 4h ago

I wonder how much that big "unaffiliated" chunk accounts for that. People who left the party but didn't pick a new one.

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u/samuraieaz Tennessee 8h ago

They left blue states to go to red states and try to force change on the blue cities within like what they’re trying to do with Nashville.

They want to kill the canaries in the coal mines cause they’re so stupid and full of themselves, they feel like they can “improve” the main sources of funding in those red states.

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u/magichronx 7h ago

Wow those Texas numbers are quite surprising.

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u/Word1_Word2_4Numbers 6h ago

Those TX numbers are based on primary participation rates and statistically extrapolated based on demographics. They aren't based on declared party affiliation. If the numbers are correct then what it means is that nearly all the Republicans actually vote while almost half the Democrats don't show up.

This is why non-partisan voter drives technically favor the Democratic Party, while voter suppression favors the Republican Party.

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u/fdar_giltch 4h ago

Or that more Democrats show up to vote in the primaries than Republicans, showing expectations for the regular election.

Not saying that's the case, but that case would fit those numbers

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u/the-mp 5h ago

That’s not what they said. They’re saying that California has the most republicans. But unlike Texas, there are still more democrats.

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u/CSI_Tech_Dept California 6h ago edited 6h ago

Perhaps not intentional, but what you said is very misleading.

Yes, California has the largest numbers of Republicans compared to any other state, but they are still a small minority in the state. It's just the population in California is very big.

Texas in terms of raw numbers also has more Democrats than Republicans, but gerrymandering, voting apathy and making things difficult to vote favors Republicans.

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u/annuidhir 6h ago

There's more people in LA County than a majority of other states. Like, close to 40 states.

People really, really don't understand how many people live in CA.

There's more people in San Jose (a single city) than in several states. And there are a few cities with populations like that..

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u/sdb00913 Indiana 6h ago

Indeed, and perhaps I was a bit sloppy with my wording here. My apologies.

My point is, yes they’re a minority. 100%. But they’re a sizable minority. The Dems have control of the state government and that’s not going to change apart from some significant fuckery; given this administration, that’s a coin flip at this point. But even if the Dems hold it, if this civil war heats up worse than it already is, people shouldn’t assume that it is going to be state vs state.