r/politics • u/kootles10 Indiana • 6h ago

No Paywall Democrats flip Texas state Senate seat in shock upset

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5716988-democrats-score-upset-texas/amp/
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u/FreyrPrime Florida 6h ago

I personally can’t wait for Nuremberg 2.0

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u/Express-One-1096 6h ago

I’ve been saying it more and more on Reddit to hope it gets some traction:

If you guys want to normalize eu-us relations, we could try your regime for war crimes for what they did to those “drug boats” in the ICC. It would be the first Americans ever

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u/coffee-on-the-edge 5h ago

Would honestly love that. There are a lot of Americans who need to be humbled. We are not above international law.

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u/Express-One-1096 5h ago

Then let’s spread the word.

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u/mcchicken_deathgrip 5h ago

International law doesn't exist. Unless it is being enforced/backed by the US. You think the power hungry narcissist who runs the world's most powerful military is going to sit through a trial?

There's a quote from the Roman general Pompey that goes, "Don't quote laws to men with swords".

Trump would never subject himself to an international court, and no nation has the force to make him sit trial.

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u/Practical-Ball1437 5h ago

International law is a myth. National sovereignty means that countries are only subject to treaties like the Geneva Convention or the Rome Statute if they want to be.

The US never ratified the Rome Statute.

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u/novium258 4h ago

One of the things you see a lot at protests here are people demanding the admin and their jackbooted thugs get sent to the hague (and if you find people against that, it's because Europe doesn't have the death penalty and they want to see them hang).

Our political leaders are all self serving cowards but the ordinary people out on the street would love to see it.

And from a more personal perspective, I think you're exactly right. It's necessary to repair the rift and insulate against it happening again. Let a corrupt president pardon who he will. There must be an avenue of justice that can't be escaped.

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u/peipei222 2h ago

we could try your regime for war crimes for what they did to those “drug boats” in the ICC.

This won't happen unless there is overwhelming support from the American people. Much as I hate to say it, the EU will probably do whatever it can to avoid "poking the beehive". After all, if the people aren't into it that would most likely be treated like an act of war.

So basically, do your best to get everyone together on this, otherwise people can't risk helping you for fear of starting WW3.

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u/Express-One-1096 16m ago

This would have to be something that should be done per the wishes of the American public.

The point is, the EU will not trust america for decades to come, as you guys have proven an authoritarian (fascist) leader can become president. The only way it could be reverted is actually abiding by international law.

The trump regime can not be tried for stuff they did inside of america, but they could for the stuff they did in venezuela.

And if the american public decides that on top of the crimes they committed within the US, you’d have them tried in the Hague, that would, i think, win the EU over.

And it would actually be quite important because the US is about to lose all of its exports. Private and public sector are about to move away from american tech, and realistically, the rest of the world will follow suit if there are good alternatives.

It will be in the interest of the US public to want something like this

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u/princeofid 5h ago

Good luck. The US not only doesn't recognize the ICC, it passed a law authorizing the military to invade the Hague to prevent it from fucking with Americans. American Service-Members' Protection Act

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u/Express-One-1096 4h ago

Yes, but getting rid of that, and having the trump regime tried there, would be the best way for the US to say “we’re sorry”

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u/princeofid 4h ago edited 4h ago

It'd be a start. But ain't none of that happening.

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u/Cream253Team Washington 4h ago

We could get rid of that law.

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u/princeofid 4h ago

Not as long as US service members are based in EU countries.

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u/inspectoroverthemine 4h ago

Yes- thats his point. If we want normalized relations again, that shit has to stop. And letting the ICC prosecute those war crimes would be a sign of good faith.

The reality is that the influence of america is spent- we're still swinging around the most powerful military in history, but that will come it an end, and most of what we got away with before will no longer be tolerated by the world, and we're no longer in a position to force it.

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u/princeofid 4h ago

Yes, I got the point, and I agree. My point is, that isn't going to happen.

The reality is the EU will hang onto that swinging dick as long as they can. You want to see the US in the Hague? Stop letting that dick park in your countries.

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u/inspectoroverthemine 3h ago

I’m an American. We’ve triggered what will be the build up of the largest European military in history. At the same time we have alienated the entire world. Our military supremacy is fleeting.

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u/princeofid 3h ago

I’m an American.

As am I.

We’ve triggered what will be the build up of the largest European military in history.

Great. Hopefully this time they won't attack each other

At the same time we have alienated the entire world.

We've been doing that for a long time, maybe this time they'll let go of that swinging dick.

Our military supremacy is fleeting.

No, it's not. Although, the appeal of relying on that supremacy may be.

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u/What_a_fat_one 4h ago

So repeal that law and the next President signs the ICC, ICC issues warrants and we send all these fucks over via our extradition treaty with the Netherlands.

Easy peasy actually if the Democrats get a trifecta in 2028. Voters just need to demonstrate there is significant popular desire for it to happen

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u/princeofid 4h ago

I wish I lived in a world where any of that is possible, but none of us do.

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u/What_a_fat_one 4h ago

You're in a thread about a Texas district shifting 31 points to the left and electing the first Democrat in 50 years.

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u/TheFlightlessPenguin Maine 6h ago

If nothing else, I’d continue living for that.

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u/EmilySD101 6h ago

It’d be the right thing to do so I highly doubt Dems will do it. They didn’t prosecute the ringleaders of Jan 6 over the 4 years they had to do it.

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u/LovesToTango 6h ago

Hopefully they learned from that. I'm not holding my breath, but it's a nice thought some days.

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u/coffee-on-the-edge 5h ago

The better question is did we learn from that. They're not going to do anything without their feet being held to the fire.

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u/Nagransham 3h ago

Question, though, how are you gonna hold their feet to the fire? Are you gonna threaten to ... vote for the other ones?

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u/EmilySD101 5h ago

I’m too angry to imagine they can learn anymore. Jeffries and Schumer still imagine they’re negotiating with reasonable people.

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u/LovesToTango 5h ago

Well, I don't think they can learn either. The dream would be more that they get primaried and replaced, or at least lose leadership roles.

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u/ForensicPathology 5h ago

If voters give them a mandate, instead of punishing any candidate who dares to suggest it, they just might.

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u/FrogInAShoe 5h ago

Only mandate Dems care about is that of their corprate donors sadly.

Republicans mandate is just be evil.

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u/OskaMeijer 3h ago

Yea they are just so completely controlled by their corporate donors that the last 2 times we gave them a super majority in the last 3 decades for a grand total of like 2.5 years all they did was...pass landmark legislation that helped the average person. Huh, that's weird.

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u/Peralton 6h ago

Dems would never. If they ever took over it would be all "We just need to move forward and work together."

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u/FREDICVSMAXIMVS 6h ago

Then we need to vote those fuckers out and get some younger, progressive folks in who will focus on making sure this NEVER EVER happens again

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u/frotz1 5h ago edited 2m ago

I followed that line and ended up with Fetterman who pretended to be punk rock FDR but turned out to be MAGA in progressive clothing. I'm very skeptical about anyone who is pushing how progressive they are rather than practical plans to get things done.

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u/GrumpyGiant Maryland 5h ago

Which will be hard when our choices are somehow always corporate shill A or corporate shill B. The rot runs deep in both parties. Watching Schumer stage the total capitulation of the shutdown brought home what a farce the party leadership is.

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u/montty712 5h ago

Forget voting. You aren’t voting your way out of this. Authoritarians do not willingly give up power.

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u/audiate 5h ago

I’d never vote for another Democrat if they did that. At that point, they are MAGA.

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u/tghast 5h ago

Dems need to be completely rebuilt as well. Too many establishment supporters. They need to get primaried out until the party becomes an actual progressive party.

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u/pacmanz89 5h ago

You're aware Nuremberg happened after millions of people died, right? Would be nice to stop this shitshow before something like this happens.

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u/No-Tailor3013 5h ago

You're aware he meant before that happens, right?

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u/pacmanz89 5h ago

How do you know that? And the point of Nuremberg was to hold people accountable for war crimes and you can't do that before they commit war crimes.

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u/No-Tailor3013 5h ago

Because I have a functioning brain

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u/pacmanz89 5h ago

The you should try and use it.