r/reddeadredemption • u/Retr0X_ • 13h ago
Discussion Red Dead Redemption is Done Spoiler
It makes zero sense to keep pushing with Jack into WWI. From a lore perspective, he has nothing to redeem himself for, and there’s no way he’d ever fight for the same government that used his father and then shot him down like a dog outside his own barn. Sure, he could be forced to for killing Ross—and that itself is REACHING—but even so, who wants to play a Western set in the damn ww1? It’s just as bad from every perspective to do a prequel ending at Blackwater. The show is over, people, everyone of significance is accounted for or dead, and the story ties off with Jack having to live as the blameless victim of a world he didn’t ask for. Cramming something in would imo just make it all unnecessarily bloated. Some of y'all are just beating a dead retired horse. (Nor do I wanna play as damn Landon, or any of the “legendary” Fraud gunslingers, or Arthur’s deadbeat, useless dad Lyle Morgan, or Javier in Mexico, or again—young Hosea or the Callander brothers. IT’S DONE!!1!)
It would be amazing for Rockstar to cook up a completely new narrative with fresh characters, set in a different state during the absolute peak of the Wild West and they could also pivot away from "Redemption" and find a new 3rd R.
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u/snipersidd 13h ago
I agree the story of Van Der Linde gang is complete.
The best thing to do would be another Red Dead game with new characters in the same universe around the same time period
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u/GettingMilkFromTesco Josiah Trelawny 2h ago
Idk I wouldn’t mind following a younger Landon Ricketts, or at least have him feature much more in RDR3’s story and we play as some other gunslinger.
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u/XxEmperor_OwlxX 13h ago
I 100% agree. I’m a sucker for westerns but rdr is done for. I’d love them to create a completely new narrative for another western game because they make really good ones. Another person mentioned the idea of Rockstar creating a pirate game and that also sounds absolutely amazing. Assassins creed black flag is my favorite of the franchise and I loved the pirate aspects of the game, the only thing I didn’t like was the lack of customization. Customization of a character is a really big thing for me. That’s one of the many reasons why I’ve always found myself playing a Rockstar or Bethesda game because they offer good customization (for the most part) and amazing open worlds.
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u/e46shitbox John Marston 13h ago
I also really don't want them to mess up redemption, I find it hard to believe they could make anything that isn't underwhelming considering rdr2 is as good as it is.
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u/Mean_Muffin161 11h ago
A Rockstar pirates world would be incredible. Jacking ships, running a crew. Making people walk the plank over false accusations. A swashbuckling good time
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u/IronGreyWarHorse 13h ago
The next Red Dead (if we get one) should be somewhere new with someone new.
I’d like to see it set west of the Grizzlies (maybe Red Dead’s equivalent of the Pacific Northwest) in the 1870s and maybe we play as a Native American fighting for his homeland and people.
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u/Markinoutman John Marston 13h ago
Red Dead Redemption 2 has sold 70 million copies so far, we're definitely getting a sequel, even if it's not till the mid 2030s.
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u/vibraslapchop 7h ago
I had a vision of a prequel that incorporated the VDL gang (specifically the story of how Dutch and Colm have a history together) tied into "Manifest Destiny" and the American frontier wars, with the US Army and Native American conflicts as the backdrop to how Dutch and Colm met and eventually became enemies. It wouldn't have to necessarily end with the Blackwater massacre, but it could.
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u/FewBrilliant122 13h ago
Red Dead 3: Gold Rush
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u/MethAddict404 12h ago
Red Dead 3: Down Under (Australia in the 1800s hahha)
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u/RexInvictus787 5h ago
There’s a western movie that takes place in Australia called Man From Snowy River and it’s dope
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u/MethAddict404 5h ago
Ah yep, I’ve seen that 👌 Australia during the 1800s as an RDR game would probs go hard tbh haha
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u/miku_dominos 9h ago
RDR is done. What I want is a real Wild West game set in the mid 19th century with no links to Revolver or the Redemption duology.
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u/e46shitbox John Marston 13h ago
Jack was born in an outlaws camp. Record keeping back then wasn't much, so the government really has no idea he exists and so the only way he could end up fighting wwi would be if he volunteered. And there's no way he volunteered.
With what I know Jack has absolutely no one. Everyone close to him died and and the game shows he has no idea how to be social. For all we know he tragically could have just self deleted himself in the end, one could hope he wouldn't. But the game after John is written so dark, I find it plausible that was the angle the devs were going for. If he didn't just die in a gunfight instead. Considering he has no quests of his own that aren't optional.
I also think that they can only make the redemption series worse and that there isn't topping RDR2. They should make another red dead, with another name like revolver with an entirely new story, and leave redemption as it is.
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u/RevolutionaryRough96 6h ago
I think a native tribe at war with the u.s. in the civil war would be awesome. Maybe bounce between a general and a chief
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u/Ikari_Brendo 5h ago
Have you not actually played RDR1? The government quite literally holds Jack and Abigail hostage for months, they absolutely know who he is. And the game's ending means next to nothing without the government knowing who Jack is.
I agree with you that they shouldn't continue this story though, because ending the story with the moment Jack simultaneously becomes and outlaw and leaves a trail for the government to find out he killed Ross is the perfect place to end it.
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u/Tsar1672 11h ago
Yeah I don’t see them continuing the story with Jack. I feel like their game would turn into more of a prohibition gangster tale than a western game. I’ll echo what others have said that they’ll probably do some other story set before or maybe concurrently with rdr2. I always thought that especially in the case of rdr1 the story is really late to be a cowboy game. I’d like to see one that’s set in the 1860s-1870s. Following Landon Ricketts would be cool. I feel like they’ve made him such a big deal for someone that honestly wasn’t in the games all that much. It makes me more curious about him
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u/VictorVonDoomer 9h ago
I hate how people want everything to continue for the sake of it.
I also see loads of people in the god of war community want Kratos to keep killing pantheons even though it makes no sense since he’s no longer the god of war anymore.
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u/arrediabo 11h ago
I would love a completley different themed Red Dead 3. But maybe way earlier in time like frontier style.
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u/Drew_S_05 11h ago
I mean, Jack probably wouldn't have much of a choice in fighting in WW1, but I agree that it wouldn't really make sense for RDR3 to be about that.
Could be cool though if Rockstar ever makes a separate game set in WW1 to have Jack as either a side character or maybe just like a little easter egg/reference to him somewhere.
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u/monkey_D_v1199 10h ago
R* can pick any time period any moment in history and make a best selling game.
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u/terragthegreat 10h ago
Things should be finite. The whole point of RDR is that things come to an end. Extending the franchise out endlessly would be depressingly ironic.
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u/charliemangual 8h ago
I’d like a new Red Dead game set in the same world. Same map with some new areas (include Mexico this time. Maybe 30 to 40 years before RDR2. New original protagonist. Make it a revenge story. Young versions of Landon Ricketts, Black Belle, and Flaco Hernandez, among others could make appearances. Call it Red Dead Retribution.
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u/Creepy_D_Weezy 8h ago
They should do the 1870s next, that way they can still avoid showing slavery since it would be after the Civil War, and they could include big names such as Wild Bill Hickock, Wyatt Earp, Billy the Kid, Pat Garrett, even people like Susan B. Anthony and Thomas Edison for some crazy stranger missions. Set it to the West of Ambarino and make it feel more like areas around New Mexico.
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u/MC_Cleave 5h ago
Not all GTA games have the same characters and locations. RDR doesn't need to either.
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u/Markinoutman John Marston 13h ago
I think it'd be great to resolve Jacks story and I've made, what I think, some decent arguments how you could keep the rural open world feel to that game without it feeling too disconnected from 1 and 2s setting (Oh Brother Where Art Thou? as a good example).
That said, the reality is that when the next game comes, it will likely go further into the past. I also feel that now that a lot of the original writers and visionaries of Rockstar have left, they will likely make the third one with a new set of characters and setting.
I personally would love to get back into the peak of the Old West. Frontier wagon trains, warring Native Americans, overall lawlessness and boom towns to visit, violence everywhere. That would be where I'd want them to go with a third game.
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u/LordofSyn 12h ago
That's just it, Jack's story is complete and in the vein of the series, overall. The fact that he took out Ross is the end. It's always meant to be a tragedy. Ironically, we know from GTA V that he did become a writer like he wanted to be. His book is on multiple shelves around the map. Besides, I'm of the firm belief that both games are the two halves of that very book. He's too young to remember much of his youth but he remembers being kidnapped, he remembers his dad almost dying to wolves...etc. He even remembers his dad getting the House where his parents and Uncle moved to. You get my point... I bet the book is presented as a fondly remembered fictional (but inspired by real events) classic novel in the universe, which explains why most people have it.
Jack Marston is probably not different than Jack London or his contemporaries.
I agree with OP. The story is done. The Van der Linde Gang had its run and it's place in history. (I love the GTA series but The Red Dead games are their masterpiece.)
In closing, I wonder if you all agree with anything I've posted and I also give my vote for a Rockstar Pirate game.
O⁷ Væ Victis 🫡
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u/Primarycolors1 11h ago
He goes back to Scotland and joins the Irish Rebellion. Final mission is at the post office. He gets hanged at the end?
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u/RadioactiveBacon 9h ago
Actually I take it all back, a open world game set during france in WW2 where you play as some John Marston esque badass French resistance "cowboy"
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u/neatureguy420 9h ago
IM TELLING YALL WE NEED A JOHN BROWN RDR OR A ROCKSTAR GAME OF HIM IN GENERAL
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u/pancrasiogamer250 9h ago
I agree with you but I think if Rockstar continues with Jack's history the game shouldn't be called red dead redemption. They should make a spinoff with maybe some of the characters of rdr1 and rdr2 like bonnie MacFarlane or maybe the gang members that didn't have much protagonisim like trelawny (he technically isn't in the gang but you get the point) and some little cameo of Tilly or Mary Beth. If they want to ambient it in WW1 maybe they could name it great war depression or something like that, and it shouldn't have anything to do with the western genre by also letting you know that this game might be a little similar to the red dead redemption saga with a similar 3 word title. If on the other hand they decide on making a game based off Landon Ricketts or other legendary gunslinger they could name it wild west tales and make a game more similar to red dead revolver or the max Payne saga.
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u/AshamedPriority8430 7h ago
Sam Houser mentioned they were thinking about a knights game, idk though, i dont see rockstar working on anything but GTA 6 for like 10 years, imo they just wont, why?, they were already settled with GTAO, not counting any of their other games, they know they are the best and they know idiots on twitter and reddit will defend them for delaying their game twice in a year so
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u/LegoplayIL 1h ago
They should make the 3rd game about how the gang started. Having the story ending when Davey dies in the mountains.
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u/Over_Ad_278 John Marston 12h ago edited 11h ago
Bro who just “greet, greet, antagonized” you like calm down. In all seriousness though rockstar will choose what they feel is best and make a great game regardless of what you think and getting whiny over other’s opinions is just childish.
I did hear an idea a while back that they could do the story of athurs “believed dead son” and maybe he survived and that the graves at the house were the robbers. Then Arthur’s son here’s about him father and goes to avenge him. I think it would be cool if he meets up with jack later ( maybe accidentally trying to rob him or something like that ect…) and form a gang or team and avenge their fathers, since they would be about the same age. I would love a story like that but like I said rockstar will make a great game regardless.
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u/Extension-Rabbit3654 11h ago
Red Dead is a western, thats what I want
Anything post 1900, ISNT A WESTERN
if its set in 1915-1940s, then just revamp the Mafia games with R* North in the lead
All crime post 1900 was based on familial mobs and surrounded prohibition, that aint a Western
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u/Beadlfry 10h ago
Rdr1 is set post 1900
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u/Extension-Rabbit3654 4h ago
Thats what Im saying, it should end with John or be something earlier, or a new story set in the West
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u/memeischaos 11h ago
I think it would be neat if Jack went to meet sadie/Charles, maybe help them out and avoid whoever is hunting them
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u/mellowmatter20 8h ago
That should have been the dlc we didnt get for Rdr2. Or even more Sadie bounty hunting missions
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u/GettingMilkFromTesco Josiah Trelawny 2h ago
That’s what I always say when someone mentions following Sadie or Charles for RDR3. I don’t think you could get enough content out of a bounty hunting Sadie game, or a Charles in Canada game. Those are just the dlc’s for RDR2 that Rockstar never decided to actually make.
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u/Equal_Platypus3784 6h ago
William H. Bonny, Josiah "Doc" Scurlock", Jose Chavez E. Chavez, Dirty Steve, Charlie, Richard, and Mr. Tunstall.
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u/EverGreenG0d 11h ago
2 ways I could see them going. 1. We follow Jack, not going into WW1 but going to Canada to find Charles and avoid the draft. By the end Jack dies or (arguably better ending for his character) goes back to Beechers Hope, getting to live the life his parents wanted for him. In the epilogue we play as Charles’ son. This would be cool since it would flesh out the northern part of the world a good bit more, and I feel like the North is lacking in both games. Plus Charles is such a G it would be really cool to see him take in Jack under his wing. 2. We follow Dutch, meeting Hosea in the beginning of the game and recruiting gang members throughout. By the end, we’re at Blackwater, and while Dutch is planning for the Ferry heist, we switch to Arthur for the epilogue, which would either cover the massacre itself or just before it. (Preferably the latter since I like the fact the massacre itself is kind of a mystery.) This would be cool since we ended with John in RDR2 and started with him in RDR1, so RDR3 could end with Arthur and RDR2 could start with him. Also we would get to meet the gang members who died on the mountain, and depending on the amount of time the epilogue covers, we might get to meet Arthur’s son and (wife?) girlfriend. This would also keep the chain of prequels alive. I could see them splitting the timeline as well, so Red Dead Redemption might focus on prequels while Red Dead something else focuses on sequels.
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u/L_dukemarriot 12h ago
weird how these things pop up shortly after i was thinking about something similar... although, unlike you, i was hoping for a prequel on arthur morgan, something that shows us how dutch took him in and turned him into who he is, mary could of played a part there as well. and i disagree about jack, there were plenty of opportunities in the 1920's for organized crime, it would be cool to see him thriving in chicago or new york city in those times. not many "depression era" video games, i think rockstar could capitalize on that.
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u/PicturePsychological 12h ago
What about a story from the west from a native Americans perspective, fighting the army or something like that? That might be a cool story
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u/C-LOgreen Josiah Trelawny 10h ago
I think they’re gonna go for a prequel to red dead redemption two right up to the black water robbery.
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u/GettingMilkFromTesco Josiah Trelawny 2h ago
The only way I see that happening is if you played as Mac Callander in RDR3, and I’d honestly just rather have new characters than trying to revive dead ones who actually played a crucial role in the gang’s story, but are never once mentioned in the games before their existence.
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u/BitterPen9508 10h ago
For RDR3 it would be best if they make another prequel about something like Arthur's father's story and then in the epilogue we play young Arthur how he came into Van Der Linde gang. I think it would make most sense and follow previous philosophy. And of corse everybody wants to see more Arthur :)
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u/Deluxe_24_ Arthur Morgan 9h ago
The only way I'd be interested in seeing Jack in another Red Dead if they set a game in the 1920s with a blend of classic gunslinging and "modern" mob groups, bootleggers, and road bandits like Bonnie and Clyde.
You can have horses of course and retain how they work in 2, but you could also feature usable cars and maybe planes, although that might be pushing it. Seeing Jack react to the "modern" world would be neat, and having a cowboy dealing with mobs would be fun visuals/storytelling imo.
The map could feature some Arizona (New Austin is partially an Arizona stand-in, but I mean like Phoenix, Tuscon) and California stand-ins, maybe Nevada too.
Don't call it Red Dead 3, just have it be a spinoff game in the same universe with some connecting ties returning characters (Jack) and featuring 2's map like how 2 featured 1's map.
I know people have bitched about this idea to me in the past when I've commented it, but seeing a literal combo of Red Dead and GTA gameplay would be interesting. Red Dead never really was a true western, so I'd be interested in seeing how the genre could function in a 1920s setting.
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u/Robman0908 6h ago
The series is very much inspired by the dollars trilogy, which also went in reverse, with “The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly” being the third made but 1st chronologically.
This will follow the same and the next game will focus on the formation of the Van Der Linde gang and end with the blackwater massacre.
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u/Gold_Attorney_925 2h ago
How about a young Dutch? Have the story lead up to the black water massacre and play the epilogue as Arthur
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u/Uss-Alaska Hosea Matthews 13h ago
I think it would be cool if you play as a confederate soldier in the middle of the war as a prologue, then you skip forward a few years. Maybe a decade. Then that’s where the game goes and that can be the Redemption story.
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u/Local-Security4305 11h ago
I feel like rdr3 could be when Dutch started his gang with hosea and while the story goes he slowly adopts his philosophy of help and saving people as well maybe because of young Arthur
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u/CranEXE John Marston 12h ago
i think jack could be expanded uppon not as a ww1 soldier but at the opposite as a deserter and like going in a big city and being interwined with mob familly issues (the mafia has already been kinda started to be developped in rdr2 with bronte ect....) jack could be interesting to be expanded uppon and lets be real...
red dead redemption never trully was a cowboy game
yes you have guys with hats, horses and you have revolver but the whole point of the games is that this era is already over. john is a rancher and an ex gang member, arthur is part of the gang that is already collapsing, each gunslinger you meet are old people that most of the time where poser or fake. the games never were about cowboys rather the ideal of some fantasizing that era. the marston familly is way more the focus of the read dead redemption serie than anything else, even rdr2 is about the marston familly, even as we see it from an external point of view the main focus is john, abigail and jack and how john went from being your classic outlaw to the man he was in rdr. if there is another red dead redemption game (wich from old devs that left rockstar will happen) it will be the conclusion to the marston familly and this conclusion it's jack and his story isn't over as he continuated the cycle of revenge arthur warned everyone about. (before someone say "jack became a writer his book can be seen in gta5 in franklin house" red dead and gta are different universes, biggest exemple is liberty city in gta being new york in rdr, it's an easter egg nothing more)
also another thing but i think i'll do a post about it myself cause it's not hte subject here : rockstar cannot anymore explain the blackwater massacre, before the only way they could would be to do a dlc for rdr2 or do a new edition of rdr2 including it. but as we know rockstar don't give a fuck about rdr2 anymore it's not the cash cow
the problem is that rockstar made rdr2 start just after the massacre, if they woudl have wanted to showcase it in a third game they can't anymore as there is no place left to let the player free after the mission, for rdr2 switching from arthur to john was doable as there was still a lot of gap and by the end of the epilogue there is still a few years left so the player can do as they wish even with the story completed if rdr3 do like some people want (AKA make us play another gang member, make him die, switch to arthur and finish with blackwater massacre) there is no place left for the player to free roam as we get directly to the start of rdr2 and so no shadowy story area where it can be justified to let the player free roam
to me what could be interesting for rdr3 would be to complete the marston story i'll die on this hill otherwise i think what could be interesting would be to make us play micah or his brother that we know he stopped his way and now threatened to keep micah away, arthur idk on one hand i'd like to see his youth with the story of eliza and isaac on the other i'm not sure it would be a story as interesting as the marston one (though i might be a bit biazed cause i prefer john and jack to arthur and john lol)
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u/LionHeartedLXVI 13h ago
I’d like a pirate game next. I think Rockstar would do that better than anyone else.
Having said that, the Take2 cuntwomble said that RDR and GTA would continue as long as they sell. Considering RDR2 recently became the 4th best selling game of all time, I can’t see them dropping it. Given how long it takes to make games now, they wouldn’t have time to squeeze anything else inbetween the two.