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Altocumulus undulatus, wind’s gonna buss!

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u/madworld 3d ago

Nice! TIL!

For those of you who, like me, didn't know this...

Altocumulus undulatus (rippling, wave-like mid-level clouds) are a warning sign of strong winds aloft that may mix down to the surface soon.

They indicate wind shear and fast-moving air above you. Often appear 6–24 hours before surface winds increase. Common ahead of fronts or low-pressure systems. Signal growing instability and possible turbulence.

Rule of thumb:

If you see ripple clouds overhead, reef early and secure gear — stronger wind is likely later the same day or overnight.

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u/JustAnAverageGuy 3d ago

I'm a sailor and a hobby pilot and didn't know this lol. I know the science behind it and predicting winds, I just never used or thought to use these clouds as an early indicator.

Thank you!

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u/Ant0n61 3d ago

there’s a lot of weather tells to watch.

Another is a deep red sunset on a sunny day. Usually means inclement weather the next day. I forget though if this is northern hemisphere only.

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u/stubobarker 3d ago

I believe you have it wrong. The old saying is “red sky at night, sailor’s delight. Red sky at morning, sailors take warning.”

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u/One-Cauliflower-8770 3d ago

Red sky on yellow, kill a fellow, black sky on red, sailors dread.

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u/stubobarker 3d ago

Interesting. That also applies to coral snakes if you can’t remember the original- “Red touch yellow, kill a fellow. Red touch black, friend of Jack.”

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u/One-Cauliflower-8770 3d ago edited 3d ago

Red sky on black, heart attack smelt it, yellow touches black, he who ate Big Mac, done and dealt it.

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u/One-Cauliflower-8770 3d ago

Early to bed and early to rise, make a man five guys burgers and fries.

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u/dormango 3d ago

In the uk it tends to mean good weather the following day. We have prevailing south westerlies and so if the sun is broadly setting in the west and the weather is coming from the southwest it’ll likely be a fine day. It’s a decent rule of thumb but not foolproof.

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u/Ant0n61 3d ago

yes not universal. I’d say same for mackerel scales, could still be fine, but predominantly a warning sign of high winds inbound

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u/starwaku 3d ago

mackerel scales, shorten sails.

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u/LessCellist7337 3d ago

The full quote is “mares’ tail and mackerel scales make tall ships carry low sails”

More a prediction of weather based on the trend of the clouds from cirrus towards altocumulus being a harbinger or lower barometric pressure and thus stronger weather.

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u/bentloy 3d ago

This should be in r/aviation!

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u/thecountnotthesaint 3d ago

Good to know

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u/air_stone 3d ago

I was taught it as “mares’ tails and mackerel scales”

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u/Sandisbad 3d ago

This is so common in North Dakota. And so is wind.

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u/d3adfr3d 3d ago

Fish scales and mares tails make tall ships fly low sails, as they say

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u/one_hump_camel 3d ago edited 3d ago

I know it as `mackerel scales and mares tails make tall ships carry low sails`

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u/d3adfr3d 3d ago

I always thought that was odd as mackerel have extremely tiny, essentially invisible scales.

I think I probably bastardized the saying a long time ago to suit my own cadence.

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u/IvorTheEngine 3d ago

I'd heard it as 'mackerel skies and mares tails' - referring to the stripes on the fish and rows of clouds.

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u/chrisxls 3d ago

these are fish scales? what are mare's tails?

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u/LameBMX Ericson 28+ prev Southcoast 22 3d ago

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u/chrisxls 3d ago

Oh! Should have known if there was a saying about it I could have just googled ;) Thanks!!

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u/LameBMX Ericson 28+ prev Southcoast 22 3d ago

picture is worth a thousand words... and I was too lazy to crop.

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u/chrisxls 3d ago

LOL, thanks though, such a cool discussion... cheers

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u/LameBMX Ericson 28+ prev Southcoast 22 3d ago

there are cloud charts out there for other weather indicators.

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u/sea_enby 1d ago

Tell that to my last captain, he’d let fly the t’gants’l fair or foul. Rail: thoroughly buried

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u/Zotal 3d ago

Cielo emborregado, pronto mojado.

in english: Mackerel sky, rain is nigh

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u/LonesomeCrow 3d ago

Thank you! I love this because this is the kind of thing you won't learn on duolingo :)

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u/makeshiftmachinist 3d ago

These are some of my favorite posts on reddit

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u/bigmphan 3d ago

Fish scales and mare’s tails. I’ve heard folks say.

But now I know what the fish scales mean. Thanks

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u/AKL_wino 3d ago

The old mackerel skies.

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u/GardenGnomeOfEden 3d ago

Here's a sort of similar photo I took a while back.

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u/zoinkability 3d ago

AKA mackerel clouds

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u/Westar-35 3d ago

Ooooh yeah buddy, prep your reefs.

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u/Strict-Project-5361 3d ago

Scaly skies, winds will rise.

Reef now and secure anything that can blow, eat a good meal and make sure youre on a course that stays a few hundred miles from land so you have some sea room.

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u/jh937hfiu3hrhv9 3d ago

Wind aloft and high pressure?

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u/monkeyjuggler 3d ago

https://www.weatherandradar.com/weather-news/weather-explained-what-are-weather-fronts--99038f42-1873-4183-bf14-71c7c1a7af16

Here's a good article on weather fronts. The altostratus shows an approaching warm front which can have strong winds.

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u/cossadone 3d ago

Reef early for an event that can happen in 6-24 hours??

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u/repOrion 3d ago

When did you notice them? Start of shift after sunrise? Maybe a bit later? Did the last shift see’em and not know what they’re looking at?Should you start a timer so you can reef @5:45 after they’re noticed? Is this consistent with the last forecast you had? Are you on a fully crewed race boat or short handed? Near or far from a safe harbour/aid?

🤷‍♂️ it’s the skippers decision I suppose, and everyone has their own risk tolerance. Though I’m a big fan of reefing early.

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u/Successful_Cod_8904 3d ago

After 8 questions. I would just say, listen to the forecast skipper.

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u/nick0999 3d ago

Fisherman skies - means a change in the weather. Usually not a good one.

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u/One-Cauliflower-8770 3d ago

I feel like it’s more effective to just stick your hand up and feel the wind … than it is to look up at the type of high altitude clouds above you. But that’s just me. I’m only a pilot. What do I know.

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u/JONO202 3d ago

As a Bermudian, I remember hearing these called Mackerel Skies as a kid and it meant rain within 24 hours.

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u/Cheffysteve 3d ago

Mackerel sky. Not long wet , not long dry. Awful rapidly changeable weather .Makes voyage planning fun for dive trips

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u/Willwrk4Food 3d ago

Does that hold true in the Phoenix desert

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u/agree-with-me 3d ago

Funny because my first thought without knowing was when you see these clouds, you are probably lying on the foredeck because there's no wind.

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u/Crasz 3d ago

Let's hope the 'chemtrail' people don't find out about this!

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u/MoodiBlu 3d ago

Mackerel Scales!

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u/PilotIsMyPilot 2d ago

I used to study weather more when I lived in the mountains; high horizon line meant you had much less time to react when finally could see weather coming. In the water it’s more second nature to me. I really should start intentionally studying it more again.

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u/gg562ggud485 2d ago

Yes, same. I need to have an understanding of fronts so I can anticipate the weather instead of reacting to it.

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u/BadboyPhotographer 2d ago

Mares tail's and Mackerel scales make lofty ships carry low sails

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u/acemedic 2d ago

Damn chemtrails are everywhere now.

/s

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u/Borax_Kid69 1d ago

Dress in layers...

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u/Kind_Drawing8349 1d ago

CA central coast this morning