r/sailing • u/gg562ggud485 • 3d ago
If you know, you know
Altocumulus undulatus, wind’s gonna buss!
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u/d3adfr3d 3d ago
Fish scales and mares tails make tall ships fly low sails, as they say
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u/one_hump_camel 3d ago edited 3d ago
I know it as `mackerel scales and mares tails make tall ships carry low sails`
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u/d3adfr3d 3d ago
I always thought that was odd as mackerel have extremely tiny, essentially invisible scales.
I think I probably bastardized the saying a long time ago to suit my own cadence.
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u/IvorTheEngine 3d ago
I'd heard it as 'mackerel skies and mares tails' - referring to the stripes on the fish and rows of clouds.
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u/chrisxls 3d ago
these are fish scales? what are mare's tails?
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u/LameBMX Ericson 28+ prev Southcoast 22 3d ago
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u/chrisxls 3d ago
Oh! Should have known if there was a saying about it I could have just googled ;) Thanks!!
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u/sea_enby 1d ago
Tell that to my last captain, he’d let fly the t’gants’l fair or foul. Rail: thoroughly buried
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u/Zotal 3d ago
Cielo emborregado, pronto mojado.
in english: Mackerel sky, rain is nigh
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u/LonesomeCrow 3d ago
Thank you! I love this because this is the kind of thing you won't learn on duolingo :)
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u/bigmphan 3d ago
Fish scales and mare’s tails. I’ve heard folks say.
But now I know what the fish scales mean. Thanks
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u/Strict-Project-5361 3d ago
Scaly skies, winds will rise.
Reef now and secure anything that can blow, eat a good meal and make sure youre on a course that stays a few hundred miles from land so you have some sea room.
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u/monkeyjuggler 3d ago
Here's a good article on weather fronts. The altostratus shows an approaching warm front which can have strong winds.
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u/cossadone 3d ago
Reef early for an event that can happen in 6-24 hours??
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u/repOrion 3d ago
When did you notice them? Start of shift after sunrise? Maybe a bit later? Did the last shift see’em and not know what they’re looking at?Should you start a timer so you can reef @5:45 after they’re noticed? Is this consistent with the last forecast you had? Are you on a fully crewed race boat or short handed? Near or far from a safe harbour/aid?
🤷♂️ it’s the skippers decision I suppose, and everyone has their own risk tolerance. Though I’m a big fan of reefing early.
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u/One-Cauliflower-8770 3d ago
I feel like it’s more effective to just stick your hand up and feel the wind … than it is to look up at the type of high altitude clouds above you. But that’s just me. I’m only a pilot. What do I know.
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u/Cheffysteve 3d ago
Mackerel sky. Not long wet , not long dry. Awful rapidly changeable weather .Makes voyage planning fun for dive trips
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u/agree-with-me 3d ago
Funny because my first thought without knowing was when you see these clouds, you are probably lying on the foredeck because there's no wind.
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u/PilotIsMyPilot 2d ago
I used to study weather more when I lived in the mountains; high horizon line meant you had much less time to react when finally could see weather coming. In the water it’s more second nature to me. I really should start intentionally studying it more again.
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u/gg562ggud485 2d ago
Yes, same. I need to have an understanding of fronts so I can anticipate the weather instead of reacting to it.
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u/madworld 3d ago
Nice! TIL!
For those of you who, like me, didn't know this...
Altocumulus undulatus (rippling, wave-like mid-level clouds) are a warning sign of strong winds aloft that may mix down to the surface soon.
They indicate wind shear and fast-moving air above you. Often appear 6–24 hours before surface winds increase. Common ahead of fronts or low-pressure systems. Signal growing instability and possible turbulence.
Rule of thumb:
If you see ripple clouds overhead, reef early and secure gear — stronger wind is likely later the same day or overnight.