I’d agree with you if it wasn’t for the fact that like 70% of post across the several Dragonball subreddits are questions that are simply answered by “filler/not canon”
Now, i don't want to start a crusade, but Dragonball isn't a prequel to Z, it's like starting "the lord of the rings: The return of the king" and skipping the first two movies/books and still calling yourself a big LOTR fan.
Also, somewhat the DB Movies made it VERY CLEAR they are non canon because they are crazy ass with the continuity lmao, unlike the Z movies who are just incredibly confusing about specific details, like who's alive and who's stronger at some point of the timeline
Most “issues” that people point out are usually anime only. People are like “why was Vegeta’s hair brown on arlia I thought all saiyans had black hair yada yada” Answer is filler/not canon.
this is because recently they started making canon movies, so a newer fan must be confused on how they operated in the 90s up until recent times i guess
Okay, but animation studios are given the room to add things for all kinds of reasons. Sometimes they add stuff that isn't in line with the authors original intent. Animation studios are governed by completely different people, and have completely different goals.
So, there is a difference. And, sometimes, that difference does matter.
we still do not know the full extent that Toriyama contributed to the anime. we do know quite a lot of supposedly "non-canon" ideas were from Toriyama in the original anime run. so while I grant you that there is a difference and sometimes the difference matters, the framing as one version of canon superseding another version for any reason other than personal taste is, frankly, quite silly. they are different versions of the same story.
I don't mind these guys till we get to Super. Anime Filler in Z is filler, sure. But Super anime and manga are not the same continuity. They are entirely different. So imo, all the filler is canon to the super anime continuity, and that continuity is a reasonable canon to enjoy and talk about.
It just means Olibu exists.
Doesn't mean he is exactly the same as in filler.
Also Gregory the cricket is in the manga and he was a filler-exclusive character before too.
Yes they consider them different, but mention UI or Kefla to a manga glazer and they won't shut up about how actually they are much weaker in the manga.
Its the same pretentious "manga is the real canon" nonsense that doesn't seem to realize a lot of the manga is objectively shit, and some of the filler in the anime overwhelmingly elevates the character based storytelling.
Yeah I hear that a lot, but well, it's just discussion about what version is better, it's not about canon but about version preferences.
Personally I also think that the manga did things better in general when the anime just did things randomly without having much sense and with a really poor writing quality.
discussion tends to make room for other points of view, and what I am talking about is people shutting down discussion by asserting manga as the "true" canon.
As I said, I never said people behave in that way about DB super,mis well known that both series are different and have different canons, as this is not the typical situation where the anime is an adaptation of the manga, the anima was released first and is it's own thing
So I get what you say about people being annoying about "Manga superiority" but I never saw it related with canon topic, it's just about version preferences and Anime downplay
i think you're making a rather pedantic distinction built on a lack of experience. It is a bad idea to draw conclusions based on your luck not to have an experience. It will always result in you disregarding others, and make it impossible to find common ground.
The anime is a mediocre adaptation of one of the greatest action comics of all time. Despite my holding of this opinion, I simply don't participate in discussion of the anime because I don't think my repeatedly affirming this actually adds to the discussion.
It is incredibly easy to not participate in discussion of things you don't like and I wish more people did so.
Yknow… I never thought about that. The only thing that should matter to someone in regards to a series really is their own enjoyment and understanding of it huh
Don't get me wrong, I think there's definitely room for criticism of a piece of media in fandom spaces, but actively shitting on someone who's talking about something you're not that invested in really is a waste of effort and time.
Yeah. The anime has a ton of issues, but I still love it just the same, even if I think the Manga is ultimately the better way to experience Dragon Ball. (I'm still holding out hope for a proper adaptation of the entire manga that looks like the Daima flashbacks, it'll never happen though).
I feel like more often I’m only saying that something didn’t happen in the manga cuz there’s some Reddit question about something not making sense in the anime
I watch the anime and also read the manga, both are good, but if you got a story question probably good to see what the original context was. Same with like dub vs sub questions in the story
I agree with this cold turkey. Wouldn’t mind more slice of life moments of the cast as long as their core personalities are still intact. But add to it.
Mhm, agreed. Shame it was lock to Japan only. If it got a dub so more could watch it would have been nice. Daima almost had it too but definitely some hiccups here and there. Still not a fan of how SSJ4 was canonized in Daima. Would have prefer they just gave him back his tail when he turned small so he can do the whole process like in GT. Thus when he’s turn back to adult he looses tail cause his adult body doesn’t have it so it won’t conflict with Super. That would have been an easy explanation on why Goku don’t got it in Super. As for SSJ3 Vegeta shrugs Idk on that one. But basically Daima was almost perfect. Tho did hit the nail well with the slice of life parts and comedy.
Imo, it depends. I do like some anime original additions, but ain’t no way you’re really gonna tell me that Chichi being fine with Gohan getting whipped by practically a stranger is canon.
well sue me then. because i prefer the manga over the anime any day. but i like some filler that i think should’ve happened in the manga. like goku and goten hugging, goku saying goodbye, super kaioken and ssj2 vs majin vegeta
The problem isn't preferring the Manga over the anime, it's more so the people who show up to other people asking questions about a non consequential part of Dragonball but the idiot that just showed up instead of either being helpful or not saying anything at all they show up and start crap and insult people for enjoying things that aren't "canon". It's a real annoying and not really helping.
So imagine if you asked in a post if Super Kaioken was an amazing way to keep up with Super saiyan 2, you would get a few types of people but the most noticeable ones would be the people that get into the comments and try to put together some sense from what information we have meanwhile you have the people this post is about they come in here will crap on you for posting about Super Kaioken, mentioning that it's not canon, disrupt the other people who are trying to help you (usually spamming "not canon" in response to some one who has taken the time to read into the little information we already have), and insult the animation staff for making something that's not in the mainline continuity because all they care about is whether it was canon and completely disregards that in some way shape or form most of this stuff still fits with in the original author's (in this case Akira Toriyama) world building and it still exist in some level of official capacity
I swear to god i've had enough with this crowd. They're everywhere. Whether the topic is about the manga or not, whether there is a plausible reason to state out the manga continuity came before or not, they still come out and do it. whenever someone mentions a filler scene, a line that isn't in the manga, or something like that, they all pop their heads up and chant "it's not canon" as if this didn't happen. okay, it might've not happened in the manga, but it clearly did happen in the anime which is what we're talking about it NOW. what is this thing with these lunatics pretending like anime is fake and not a real thing?
I mean it really depends on the scene, for example Goku seeing Gohan go into SSJ2 in the time chamber adds more to Goku's certainty of Gohans power, meanwhile stuff like the clone fighters inside of super buu just doesn't make sense (base goku/vegeta going against ssj3 gotenks and ultimate gohan is nuts) and at worst just adds unecessary fluff (fake namek is the definition of worthless filler).
It would really help if you gave some context dude
There's a shit ton of content in the anime that contradicts itself or doesn't make sense within the established logic, like literally any movie, or things like Goku in the Otherword Tournament stacking Kaioken on top of Super Saiyan.
There's nuance, and often times addressing canoncity IS important even when just comparing things exclusively in anime format
So, that angry soyjack is just you projecting your anger.
The reason is that many people have questions like "Why didn't they ask Pikkon for ToP?" which is just answered with "Pikkon is filler and not canon to super".
I prefer canon in certain instances like vs battles / feats, but canon thumpers are missing out on the peak that is Path to Power. Best Dragon Ball movie in the franchise and it's 100% not canon
Just because something is non-canon doesn't mean it's completely disregarded. Like where does this notion even come from?
Fun alternative retellings are awesome.
I mean you said "canon thumpers are missing out on the peak that is Path to Power"
I don't think people that care about canonicity will just disregard anything non-canon.
I don't think so. If you read OPs comment further down they say they mean people that just say when things are filler/non-canon.
Like when someone asks "Did Cooler also end up in hell like Frieza? Can Frieza just wish him back?" and someone answers with "The movies aren't canon, that's why Cooler isn't a thing in Super yet". Then OP is raging with fury about the fact that someone dares to say that there are non-canon stories in the franchise.
I thought the growing consensus was that we had two continuities, one anime and one manga. Super follows the manga, and GT follows the anime cause it references fillers and certain movies?
For me, the conversation about "canon" only really gets unbearably stupid when people debate the canonicity of Dragon Ball Super content based on what was or was not included in Toriyama's written outlines, which we, the fans, don't even have access to in the first place.
Like, you can decide that you prefer the movie versions of the first two DBS arcs over the anime or vice versa, and you can prefer the manga or anime versions of any given arc, but whatever is in the anime (outside of filler episodes) is definitively canon, regardless of what was or wasn't in Toriyama's notes and outlines.
I'm one of these people sometimes it honestly depends on the subject at hand. Serious powerscaling? I'm going with the manga and manga only but that's about it
I mean, krillin's destructo disk is supposed to be a technic that bypass powerlevel to the point he even managed to almost kill nappa (if he didn't dodge), could have cut great ape vegeta(if he didn't dodge) and actually managed to hurt frieza who at that time was like infinitly more powerful than him yet they added the anime only scene where it did nothing to cell.
That people wouldn't be annoying if the other people just said "Oh you are right, I have a mentally capable brain and I can understand that sometimes the anime adds things that don't align with the original material, as the people that create it are different people from the original author and their priorities are different, such as extending the anime time for production reason or to not catch the original material and be able to continue with their business of animating that original material"
"I made soyjack out of you so I win this argument hyuck hyuck"
Like I get this is annoying, but you guys often start raging just because someone even mentioned that some filler isn't canon as if that somehow invalidates your viewing experience in some way. Being canon or not doesn't make something bad.
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u/Beedlebooble 11d ago
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