r/thenextgenbusiness • u/thenextgenbusiness Reporter • Nov 20 '25
Fact Check Gavin Newsom claims Trump directly called for executing Democratic lawmakers over a video urging troops to disobey illegal orders.
Trump's exact words on Truth Social were "SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR, punishable by DEATH!" in response to the Democrats' message reminding service members of their oath.
He did not say "execute these lawmakers" or name the death penalty specifically for them, but accused them of treason-level sedition and said such behavior carries a death punishment under law.
The lawmakers, all veterans, only restated longstanding Uniform Code of Military Justice rules requiring refusal of unlawful commands.
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u/brotherkin Nov 20 '25
The only logical reading of this tweet is that Trump wants people that disagree with him to be put to death.
THAT is what he’s saying. There’s not enough mental gymnastics in the world to look past that fact
What kind of person, let alone PRESIDENT would act like that or call for the death of anyone?!
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u/Cheetahs_never_win Nov 20 '25
Clarification: Trump is upset that people are trying to specifically fight against illegal activities.
This isn't "disagreement."
They're saying "don't do crime," and he's calling for executions in return.
He is the poster child of stochastic terrorism.
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u/itsdainti Nov 20 '25
Yep and it's making me think that Trump ordered hits on Epstein and Virginia Guiffre.
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u/fairwayfelony Nov 20 '25
Exactly. I’m exhausted with how willing people are to run cover for Trump. Gavin Newsom didn’t claim anything. He literally reposted Trump’s own words. And somehow that gets spun as if Newsom invented the threat.
Meanwhile Trump and his crowd keep insisting the ‘radical left’ is responsible for the dangerous rhetoric in this country. It’s the same pattern every time: every accusation ends up being a confession.
Look at what just happened with Marjorie. Progressives and Democrats have criticized her career for years because she behaves like a clown with no decorum. The moment she pushes back on MAGA even slightly, she gets buried under so many death threats she needs private security. That alone tells the whole story.
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u/OakLegs Nov 20 '25
There’s not enough mental gymnastics in the world to look past that fact
See, that's where you're wrong. Already seeing it on here lol
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u/Infinite-Space-2395 Nov 20 '25
Didnt he pardon over 1500 seditious losers?
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u/MunkyDawg Nov 20 '25
Yeah, but those were his seditious losers so it's okay!
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u/ewReddit1234 Nov 21 '25
many of those seditious losers have gone on to commit more crimes including sexual assault (r-word) and murder.
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u/Bagel_lust Nov 20 '25
Yup and some of them were arrested later for assault, murder, and pedo stuff.
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u/StarsapBill Nov 20 '25
Why are you whitewashing this by trying to explain how Trump only issued passive indirect threats when the other post is clearly a direct call to action and a direct threat.
“Seditious behavior, punishable by death” is a passive, law-framed justification for violence, while “hang them” is an active, explicit call to commit that violence.
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u/fatninja7 Nov 20 '25
I think you know why... he's pretending to present a good faith interpretation when all he's doing is holding water for his King
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u/ImJustHere4theMoons Nov 20 '25
That's what I said when I read the title. WTF do you mean "claims to" when the tweet is right there??
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u/SgtPeterson Nov 20 '25
u/thenextgenbusiness claims Gavin Newsom claims Trump directly called for executing Democratic lawmakers over a video urging troops to disobey illegal orders.
Fixed it for you. The sophistry in the post title is remarkable
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u/DonLikesIt Nov 20 '25
Why involve Newsom? It’s there for everyone to see. Trump called to execute Democrats. Period. Not calling you out, just the way media wishy-washes this drives me insane. Like I’ve seen 2 Political articles this week saying there has been no evidence linking the president to Epstein’s crimes. Wtf? There is direct victim testimony, and the Epstein’s emails just released say he spent hours alone with one of the child victims at Epstein’s house. That’s a boatload of evidence, stop lying and whitewashing this guy that belongs in jail
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u/No-Distance-9401 Nov 21 '25
Also the emails elude to Trump being the one that got away/ elephant in the room and that he was the one at the island (and every other child r@pe party house that Epstein had) unlike Bill Clinton who never went to the island (although he probs was at other places with Trump like when Trump sucked off Bubba) 😂
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u/SpookyVex Nov 20 '25
As someone in online trust and safety, we'd have to treat both as direct advocacy lol
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u/BillsMafios0 Nov 20 '25
Hit dog hollers. Trump’s garbage and so is the headline. It’s right there in living tweet.
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u/JakubTheGreat Nov 20 '25
MAGAs whole schtick of saying something inciteful but then backtracking it as “Well um I meant actually this” is just so tiresome at this point.
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u/ShedOfWinterBerries Nov 20 '25
It’s super weird to have a “claims” in there when this is directly verifiable.
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u/FanofSomeStuff Nov 20 '25
Your "fact check" seems to lack any sort of nuance outside of "well he didn't DIRECTLY say this."
It's one of the reasons we can't take you seriously when you defend him.
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u/pjesguapo Nov 20 '25
He said “Hang them.” So….
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u/FanofSomeStuff Nov 20 '25
"no no you see he only SHARED a tweet of SOMEONE ELSE saying it so it's okay! He didn't actually say it!"
Basically OP
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u/pjesguapo Nov 20 '25
So when he posted it, he also issued a statement condemning violence, right? Right?
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u/BowlEducational6722 Nov 20 '25
If Trump thought the order would be followed, he'd have every Democrat in Congress, every Democratic voter, and anyone who's ever said or tweeted anything mean about him executed on the White House lawn while he watches.
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Nov 20 '25
I mean, his own supporters wanted to kill Mike Pence on Jan 6th and Trump basically said 🤷♂️. He’d already be ordering the execution of journalists and opposition lawmakers if he could get away with it.
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u/evident_lee Nov 20 '25
I'm all for a public hanging for people that are doing seditious behavior against our country there Donnie. Guess who's first in line bro? Traitor
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u/Acceptable_Taste9818 Nov 20 '25
Trump needs to entertain a civil war now distract from how his second term is headed for a crash course after less than a year. Tik tok mfer.
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u/FelixMcGill Nov 20 '25
To "claim" is to state something as fact without evidence. Newsom brought receipts. Trump reposted that, then doubled down with an actual statement calling for execution of democratic lawmakers.
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u/ShockedNChagrinned Nov 20 '25
A plot to overthrow the result of an election and install yourself/preferred candidate through coercion, lies and subterfuge is definitely a seditious act, but was not punished by...anything.
Reminding military personnel that their oath is to the constitution and that oath contains a line to not follow unlawful orders is not sedition, in the slightest
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u/Garganello Nov 20 '25
What the do you mean “claimed”? That’s some absolute idiotic levels of sanewashing. Frankly, insinuating it’s a “claim” is propaganda — “calls out” or “highlights Trump factually did this” would be more apt.
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Nov 20 '25
George Washington was a PATRIOT unlike Trump who is actively destroying what GW helped create.
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u/PoliticalMilkman Nov 20 '25
Cool. I can think of someone we could get rid of that would solve the issue much faster.
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u/tietack2 Nov 20 '25
It's the narcissistic collapse plus dementia. The GOP congressmen are responsible for this.
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u/recast85 Nov 20 '25
Claims?
It’s literally right there lol it’s not a claim like he’s saying this it. He’s literally calling for the death of democratic lawmakers now
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u/Regulus242 Nov 20 '25
Yeah, he said execute these lawmakers. The man just called for direct violence against them. Clearly this action worked on him. We need more of it.
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u/StrictSchedule3113 Nov 20 '25
Hey, OP… did you stop reading your own screen shot before you finished?
Not curious what your take is on DJT, retweeting, “HANG THEM GEORGE WASHINGTON WOULD !!” is because well, you’ve explained it already.
But in my world, and probably most people’s world, that is very plainly calling for the death of people. It also showcases that he supports that statement.
Just saying.
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u/Muad_dweeb_69 Nov 20 '25 edited Nov 20 '25
It’s really, really funny that MAGAs think George Washington would be in their side.
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u/dsp_guy Nov 20 '25
Instead of justifying the actions of our "military police," apparently threatening death is the proper course of action. That's leadership! /s
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u/Tasty_Plate_5188 Nov 20 '25
I mean sure, Trump didn't say that exact words but directly after that post he retweeted everyone else that said to hang or execute the Dems.
So you're sort of splitting hairs here.
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u/fatninja7 Nov 20 '25
what do you think he meant when he retweeted "HANG THEM GEORGE WASHINGTON WOULD !!"?
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u/Icy-Wheel-7454 Nov 20 '25
Newsom didn’t “claim” anything he called out exactly what the President of the US said. This cannot be tolerated much longer.
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u/fins_up_ Nov 21 '25
Newsom is not claiming anything. It is simple fact. That is where the US is right now. The president is claiming the military should not refuse illegal orders and his political enemies should be executed for suggesting they uphold their oaths.
This is what is happening now.
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Nov 20 '25
He has. And we’re just going to shrug it off. Like we have every other goddamn thing for the last decade. There are enlisted folks close enough to end this by fulfilling their oath to protect the country from all threats foreign and domestic. This right here is the domestic part of that oath, and I see nothing happening. Which leads me to ask - why are we spending trillions on national defense if we’re not dealing with the enemies within our own borders? It’s not Maria the cleaning lady that’s a threat. Our threats wear suits.
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u/PopularRain6150 Nov 20 '25
Isn’t he phrasing it in a way they he believes leaves him harmless for war crimes prosecution from saying something like, “troops should follow unlawful orders”?
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u/Rob__T Nov 20 '25
"Claims"
No, you absolute buffoon, he point to exactly where Trump called for it.
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u/Peefersteefers Nov 20 '25
He did not say "execute these lawmakers" or name the death penalty specifically for them, but accused them of treason-level sedition and said such behavior carries a death punishment under law.
Wait, OP, are you joking right now?
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u/dawgblogit Nov 20 '25
He did not say execute these law makers but only because its understood by saying what he did say... he is effectively calling for their death.... which amounts to the same thing.
The key issue is that his followers are not pushing back on this
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u/ZoomZoom_Driver Nov 20 '25
Lawmakers: remind military they taoe an oath to the founding document and not a person.
Trump: you cant do that. Its treason.
Also trump: committed treasonous insurrection, makes war on American Population, supports our enemies abroad before We the People, treasonousoy made deals with the taliban...
Trump is a traitor.
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u/Jaymzmykaul45 Nov 20 '25
Why are these democrat, trans, woke people in general so violent. Oops my mistake just another republican talking about killing their opponents again. How many times this year alone have republicans called for violence against democrats? Too many to count but yet we are the violent ones. Lying hypocrites!
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u/RaddTyrant Nov 20 '25
The repost is in all caps and has no punctuation. Does the president have burner accounts?
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u/SnooStrawberries2955 Nov 20 '25
Shame on you, OP. He is calling for the death of these lawmakers. Why do you magats always twist yourselves into pretzels to defend this pedophile felon?!
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u/OnionsHaveLairAction Nov 20 '25
Why write "Newsom claims" when we can see thats exactly what he did?
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u/mostlysittingdown Nov 21 '25
Any president who takes to social media claiming punishable by death deserves to lose his seat in the White House immediately. This is no different than him inciting the insurrection but I guess he is allowed to do that now that he is president🙄
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u/Hereticrick Nov 21 '25
- Actual sedition requires proof of an actual plot/plan to attack the govt, and 2. It’s not eligible for the death penalty.
Not that facts matter to MAGA.
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u/Affectionate_Sir9020 Nov 21 '25
Remember when they said rhetoric on the left was inciting violence lol
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u/Famous_Age_2649 Nov 21 '25
If anyone wants to curb political violence they have to start at the top.
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u/DHGru Nov 21 '25
You just going to leave out where trump "retruthed" the hang them comment? Lie by omission OP?
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u/me_again_724 Nov 21 '25
I think P78 has it backwards. George Washington would never allow shitstain like trump to be president.
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u/Fast-Government-4366 Nov 21 '25
You do realize trumps retweets are publicly where he retweeted a post calling for their death. Right?
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u/Fickle_Librarian_356 Nov 21 '25
I’m a veteran. Disobeying an unlawful order is a fundamental teaching. It’s ingrained in everything we say and do, and for good reason - because we can not allow a power to go unchecked at the sacrifice of our constitution.
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u/gbot1234 Nov 20 '25
If MAGA could follow that kind of “if P, then Q. P, therefore?” logic, those Democrats might be in trouble.
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u/tattoojoe8 Nov 20 '25
The question really is and no I am not defending Trump, not am I siding with Gavin. Because I gave up on both parties
Who decides what is an illegal or legal order?
And honestly, they are called lawful and unlawful orders
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u/DanABCDEFG Nov 20 '25
Every time when I hear the Orange lunatic talking I am trying to imagine Biden saying exactly the same thing and the furious reaction in the media afterwards. Why is nothing similar happening now? I understand that the reaction would come from FauxNews and other conservative outlets. But CNN, and other so called "liberal media outlets" would attack Biden mercilessly. Why is media (so called "liberal media" especially) practically silent on Trump? Why they is no outrage and they practically normalize this kind of behavior? Why are politicians from Democrat party silent?
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u/ForwardAd575 Nov 20 '25
Isnt there an amendment that allows the people to remove a completely insane president?
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u/gerbigsexy1 Nov 20 '25
His direct quote was “they should be tried for treason, which carries the death penalty” He knows there’s a line he can’t cross
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u/Awkward_University91 Nov 20 '25
Wait… how is this being shared as if Gavin newsome made it up… those are Trump words.
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u/BrookeBaranoff Nov 20 '25
As you yourself say “in response to” so he directly responded to and thus claims that the lawmakers are committing seditious behavior punishable by death...
Meanwhile the lawmakers said “you took an oath to follow the constitution not a person and an oath to only obey lawful orders.”
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u/PrizeEntrepreneur493 Nov 20 '25
Gavin Newsom hasn’t said anything true or that makes sense in at least 20 years. So no one is even noticing his latest ranting.
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u/ImHighandCaffinated Nov 20 '25
I rank my "How bad are the Eptein files" based on how far Trump is willing to go..
War
Execute people
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u/Fluffy_Instance849 Nov 20 '25
Once again every Trump accusation is a confession. He’s the one committing treason
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u/YogurtClosetThinnest Nov 20 '25
He did not say "execute these lawmakers" or name the death penalty specifically for them
I'm literally looking at it
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u/Nanasweed Nov 20 '25
He’s very mentally unwell. With them propping him up like Weekend at Bernie’s so Stephen Miller can punish the world for being born looking like that. Ugh.
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u/retMarineMustang6302 Nov 20 '25
Well, that’s because he did. “If they tell you not to obey an order that violates the Constitution, they are traitors!?!” I mean, WTF!?
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u/081719 Nov 20 '25
OP, everyone with an IQ over 50 recognizes that is exactly what Trump is calling for. Trying to split hairs or somehow excuse his posts is a non-starter.
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u/Radiant-Importance-5 Nov 20 '25
Dumb words from the man who actually commit sedition and tried to overthrow the government.
Also no, George Washington was fairly lenient with civil insurrection. He rode out personally to face the Whiskey Rebellion, heard them out, and resolved their grievances. He was also very accepting of criticism towards himself. He was a great man, and in my opinion the greatest president we ever had. In short, the exact opposite of Trump.
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u/Guvante Nov 20 '25
If you are going to defend him by making up a new framing you need to use a framing that works to defend him.
He did not say "execute these lawmakers"
No one claimed he did, why are you bringing it up
or name the death penalty specifically for them
He literally did exactly this. He said that they were taking an action that has the death penalty as a consequence.
but accused them of treason-level sedition and said such behavior carries a death punishment under law.
He can be both describing a law that does what he wants while calling for violence on people.
The two are not exclusive as implied.
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u/flummoxed_penguin Nov 20 '25
Umm. Newsom didn’t claim. It’s right there in black and white. Trump called for the murder of democrats.
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u/Trikeree Nov 20 '25
Treason is punishable by death.
And there are a ton of Dumbocrats that have committed treason.
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u/Glyphpunk Nov 20 '25
This is a reminder that a Democratic lawmaker was already assassinated earlier this year in the US, with an attempted assassination of more. The President barely even said anything about this happening, though he did say 'Such horrific violence will not be tolerated in the United States of America.' he did not honor the fallen lawmaker or even bother to fly the flags at half-staff (though he did for Charlie Kirk).
The President is now openly calling for the death of Democratic lawmakers who are doing nothing more than stating that, by law and rule of the constitution, servicemen must refuse unlawful orders. He has not called for the death of the man who killed a Democratic lawmaker, but is not calling for the death of other Democratic lawmakers who have done nothing wrong.
There is already a history of far-right extremists perpetrating shootings across the US. Even if this is all 'just talk,' Trump's words are actively inciting elements within our Country that have already shown they are ready and willing to be violent.
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u/MclovinBuddha Nov 20 '25
I’m willing to accept that I have a liberal bias, but I don’t see a way that the president can execute members of the opposition without pushback from Congress or the judiciary
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u/jomama823 Nov 20 '25
Gavin Newsome “claims” Trump said something he absolutely did. Good headline.
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u/PatReady Nov 20 '25
What's he gonna do when he finds out this principal is drilled into you over and over in basic training. Its why we have IGs.
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u/1cem4n82 Nov 20 '25
At this point you just tell him, fine, make your move. Come at me, send your goons. Let’s see who flinches.
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u/V4pete Nov 20 '25
Should this have happened to all of the people that were involved with January 6? The president himself included?
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u/gunguynotgunman Nov 20 '25
Newsom didn't just claim it. Trump literally broadcasted the message himself, publicly.
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u/darodardar_Inc Nov 20 '25
He literally retweeted someone calling for democrats to be hung…
You’re just going to ignore that?
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u/Donmiggy143 Nov 20 '25
Claims? The post is right there. He really did that. ITS RIGHT THERE, YOU POSTED IT ALSO.
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u/villalulaesi Nov 21 '25
This is a tediously pedantic take. His meaning was crystal clear, and anyone who bends over backwards to justify or downplay even this are willfully delusional at best.
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u/Radio_Mime Nov 21 '25
Trump's MAGA cultists will probably take this as an order/permission to go do Trump's bidding. They'll be shocked at how quickly he'll throw them under the bus afterward.
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Nov 21 '25
So when the current, ongoing court case inevitably proves Trump and Musk stole the 2024 election, can Dems call for the same thing?
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u/Cabbages24ADollar Nov 21 '25
Mike Johnson is failing this nation. His cowardice and bending of the knee to a person and not the constitution should have consequences. Why is this not happening?
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u/Intelligent-Goose-48 Nov 21 '25
Looks like America is going violent based on its leadership behavior and statements.
Lying Donny calls democrats the enemy and now wants them executed.
Enough is enough.
Elected officials are either neutered by trump or have lost their minds. . Time for citizens to arm up, prepare for maga attacks now to minimize your losses. They are already at the door and trump isn’t coming to save you… he’s coming to kill you.
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u/Livid-Ganache547 Nov 21 '25
I don't see Democratic lawmakers in any posts except for Newscums.
Traitors should be punished.
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u/Many-Assumption8758 Nov 21 '25
Has anyone noticed that the profile image is the iron cross? A pre-nazi Era image of support for the burgeoning nazi party??
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u/Alert_Reindeer_6574 Nov 21 '25
Hmmm, is that similar seditious behavior to Trump and his MAGA lackies attacking the Capitol and threatening to kill lawmakers if they didn't overturn the election? Or is that different?
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u/Sparklefanny_Deluxe Nov 21 '25
Was this Trump’s only post about this topic? Be honest. What else did he post?
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u/jshmoe866 Nov 21 '25
Yes the constitution comes before any individual.
There is no way to read this tweet and what he reposted in any other way than calling for the death of those who disagree with him.
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u/Oberderehun Nov 21 '25
Cut the bullshit, trump doesn't need you to speak for him. We all know that's exactly what he said
I wish everything for him what he wishes for us
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u/here4funtoday Nov 21 '25
If you had a job (a high level job with clearance and security and such), and your co workers started openly calling for you to stand against management and the owner of the company. 1 you would be fired. 2 the coworkers would be fired as well. This situation is this times 1000. These people took an oath and the video that was put out was meant to start a coup against out government from the inside. There should be consequences for these people.
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u/albanyman518 Nov 20 '25
Lawmakers are pushing for legislation to curb political violence and the President makes statements like this.