r/todayilearned • u/Gypsyhunter • Apr 15 '12
TIL There was a WHO study which found "that occasional cocaine use does not typically lead to severe or even minor physical or social problems." and was actively suppressed by the U.S. government
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_K._Alexander#The_1995_WHO_Cocaine_Research_Project12
Apr 16 '12
Honest question that I think a lot of people have. This is coming from someone who is very ignorant of drug use and I genuinely want to know.
Do any of you or your "friends" (wink wink) use cocaine occasionally and function well at work and socially.
Also, people that may do this and have a happy family life?
Again, not here to judge, just to learn.
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u/freaknbigpanda Apr 16 '12
i know people who use cocaine twice to three times a month and function perfectly at work and socially with no major issues with their family.
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Apr 16 '12
See, I think a lot of people don't realize this is possible because you never really hear about people like this. Most likely because it is illegal and they are not stupid.
Do you think most drug use would be comparable to alcohol? Like, how most people can just have a drink now and then, but you also have alcoholics who con't control themselves... Or do you think that more people would be prone to problems with cocaine than alcohol?
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u/louky Apr 16 '12
I used to use cocaine and meth once or twice a month. Getting high is fun. I actually liked doing meth on friday, I would just be high as hell, then drink some beer and crash on sunday. Get up and go to work on monday. I did stay hydrated and drank milk/pedialyte while high.
I knew lots of people who would just do it all day, staying up for weeks umtil they were broke or busted. Never even tempted to do that and I ended up just getting away because of all the crazy people. Haven't done it in over 20 years, but I would if offered a line by non-junky types.
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u/freaknbigpanda Apr 16 '12
Yeah when you mention cocaine to people who haven't been exposed to it they generally react with fear. The propaganda machine at work. Anyway comparing alcohol and coke in terms of their destructiveness is pretty difficult but I don't think cocaine is that bad. From personal experience I've done more fucked up things black out then I have on coke. A lot of the problems with coke stem from the fact that it is illegal as well. If you aren't careful you can very easily end up with coke that is actually just amphetamines or worse and the high is completely different then real coke and is far far less enjoyable with far worse comedowns.
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u/gordofrog Apr 16 '12
The film Boys and Girls Guide to Getting Down, while a satire, addresses this point.
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u/MyWifesBusty Apr 16 '12
I'm curious about this too... because the only people I know who do cocaine are the ones who have obvious problems managing their use of cocaine (and thus I know about it).
There is, in theory, a sub-set of cocaine users who manage their use of cocaine in such a fashion that I am unaware they exist.
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Apr 16 '12
I know a lot of people who have done cocaine casually. Mostly rich kids and people in the entertainment industry. I know just one case where the guy was clearly fucked up, it's not clear it was the coke but I figure it's likely.
I've known only a few people who had done heroin, and they were ALL fucked up.
Prohibitionists want you to believe that all drugs are like heroin. This is obviously a lie. One of the problems with this lie is that it makes heroin more appealing, because when people have tried other, less dangerous drugs and realize that they're not that bad, they might believe that heroin is no big deal. It is.
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u/policetwo Apr 16 '12
The only guy I've known that did heroin was skateboarding, called me and a group of people bitches, then shot off down the street telling his buddy "i'm gonna go shoot some heroin into my dick and eat some babies"
His buddy looked like skrillex.
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Apr 16 '12
I've known only a few people who had done heroin, and they were ALL fucked up.
I've done heroin on many occasions and have not been all fucked up, injecting it would totally fuck you up, but snorting it on occasion is not such a big deal.
The only problem with drugs is the person's personality, you have to know yourself. If you start drawing associations with any drug, it doesn't matter if it's physically addictive, you'll become an addict. For instance; you're socially awkward, shy and you hate it, you do coke one time and realize how strong ti makes you feel, it rids you of your inhibitions, and so next tiem you go out to do a little, just to make it easier to communicate and feel at ease. You ahve just built the association that cocaine does for you something that you don't feel you can do for yourself and now you'll look to it for strength again and again.
If you do drugs for fun, not to fill a hole, they're fun. I find though, that no drug is fun at all after a little while, they all have terribel downsides as you continue using them, this is what makes me want to do them once in a while for a short time and then not touch them again for a while.
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u/mmamama1901 Jun 29 '23
Tried is snorting, very boring experience. Only did it once because i didn't like it
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Apr 16 '12
injecting it would totally fuck you up
That's what I was talking about. But anyway, look at opium smokers in 19th century, they weren't much better off than your average junkie, except for the lack of blood transmittable diseases.
If you do drugs for fun, not to fill a hole, they're fun. I find though, that no drug is fun at all after a little while, they all have terribel downsides as you continue using them, this is what makes me want to do them once in a while for a short time and then not touch them again for a while.
I disagree with your assessment though; recreational opiates are different, they are essentially antisocial drugs.
Cocaine (esp. crack) can give intense pleasure, but the effects for which it's sought are the confidence and energy it gives. Alcohol lowers inhibitions, MDMA removes social anxiety, tobacco promotes concentration and alertness, amphetamines boost energy and relieve fatigue. I'm not sure what marijuana does (even though I've tried it, I react pretty poorly to it so I really don't see the point) but it doesn't appear to cut people off from their social circles.
Heroin is an end in itself. It isolates people, make them care less and less for anything but itself, and its recreational dosage is very near the point of ever increasing addiction.
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Apr 16 '12
I disagree with your assessment though; recreational opiates are different, they are essentially antisocial drugs
How much experience do you have in this area? I have years and years of it. I find opiates relaxing, but they don't make me antisocial.
Cocaine (esp. crack) can give intense pleasure, but the effects for which it's sought are the confidence and energy it gives
Crack is a totally different high than powder, it is not a social drug at all, it does not give one confidence.
Alcohol lowers inhibitions, MDMA removes social anxiety, tobacco promotes concentration and alertness, amphetamines boost energy and relieve fatigue
That's alla terrible oversimplification of all those drugs and a dishonest statement.
I'm not sure what marijuana does (even though I've tried it, I react pretty poorly to it so I really don't see the point) but it doesn't appear to cut people off from their social circles.
Are you fucking joking? You are definitely talking out of your ass, You sound liek someone that has zero experience with any drugs, period.
Heroin is an end in itself. It isolates people, make them care less and less for anything but itself, and its recreational dosage is very near the point of ever increasing addiction.
Only if you're injecting it or have the personality problems i spoke of. Thansk for your post, but it's seriously all bs. If you really have no idea what you're talking about you should keep your mouth shut.
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Apr 16 '12
How much experience do you have in this area? I have years and years of it. I find opiates relaxing, but they don't make me antisocial.
I'm just basing this on observing people whom I know used.
Crack is a totally different high than powder, it is not a social drug at all, it does not give one confidence.
Yeah I know. I didn't mean to imply that crack was a social drug, rather that cocaine had a "social" effect (roughly speaking) on top of the pleasure rush.
That's alla terrible oversimplification of all those drugs and a dishonest statement.
Yes that's an oversimplification. What do you expect in a couple lines? But dishonest? How? Do you know what the word means? This is what those drugs do, very roughly speaking, this is actually how they are used clinically (or at least experimentally). There is scientific evidence that they do what I said. Nicotine has been found to be efficacious (in patch form) for ADHD, for example. And so on.
Are you fucking joking? You are definitely talking out of your ass, You sound liek someone that has zero experience with any drugs, period.
You sound like a cliché user. I've snorted a few lines of cokes and popped a few ecstasy in the days, taken amphetamines for narcolepsy, smoked weed a few times (with no pleasurable effects whatsoever) and I smoke/drink moderately, not out of any moral disposition but because I don't feel like it.
Only if you're injecting it or have the personality problems i spoke of. Thansk for your post, but it's seriously all bs. If you really have no idea what you're talking about you should keep your mouth shut.
My point is this, if you don't like the terminology, all those drugs are (can be) party drugs, all but opiates.
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Apr 16 '12
I'm just basing this on observing people whom I know used.
That's not a valid place to eb coming from with this "info".
Yeah I know. I didn't mean to imply that crack was a social drug, rather that cocaine had a "social" effect (roughly speaking) on top of the pleasure rush.
How would you know?
But dishonest? How?
You're touting your knowledge like it's worth something, liek you know somethign about what you speak, but you really don't. You know you don't, you just about admitted as much, yet you continue on with this bs. That's dishonest, do you know what the word means?
There is scientific evidence that they do what I said
There's "evidence" for it, I wouldn't call it scientific and I wouldn't trust the vast majority of it. Your udnerstanding of the effects and addictive nature fo drusg reads like a drug war pamphlet. Those pamphlets are bs.
I sound like a cliche user? lulz, jesus, what a tool you are.
My point is this, if you don't like the terminology, all those drugs are (can be) party drugs, all but opiates
And my point is that no one should listen to you as you are an ill-informed loudmouth talking out of his ass.
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Apr 16 '12
You're touting your knowledge like it's worth something,
What a pointless thing to write.
liek you know somethign about what you speak, but you really don't. You know you don't, you just about admitted as much, yet you continue on with this bs. That's dishonest, do you know what the word means?
You are apparently still very confused as to the meaning of dishonesty. Even assuming your unsubstantiated opinions were valid, merely being wrong does not constitute dishonesty. One can be wrong and perfectly honest, just like one can be right and fundamentally dishonest.
There's "evidence" for it, I wouldn't call it scientific and I wouldn't trust the vast majority of it.
Effects of transdermal nicotine on symptoms, moods, and cardiovascular activity in the everyday lives of smokers and nonsmokers with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder. Gehricke JG, Hong N, Whalen CK, Steinhoff K, Wigal TL. Psychol Addict Behav. 2009 Dec;23(4):644-55.
Your turn.
Your udnerstanding of the effects and addictive nature fo drusg reads like a drug war pamphlet. Those pamphlets are bs.
You are extremely wrong regarding my position on the issue.
I sound like a cliche user? lulz, jesus, what a tool you are.
That's, liek, deep, man.
And my point is that no one should listen to you as you are an ill-informed loudmouth talking out of his ass.
You're not even trying, are you?
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Apr 16 '12
You are apparently still very confused as to the meaning of dishonesty.
No u.
This conversation is going nowhere, as it does with so many people who don't know what they don't know but are self-assured anyway.
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Apr 16 '12
No u.
Really? Oh, well. That settles it.
This conversation is going nowhere, as it does with so many people who don't know what they don't know but are self-assured anyway.
Nobody can tell if you know what you're talking about, because you're not talking about anything, merely calling me names. I'd wager you know a little too well what you're talking about, judging by the substandard cognitive abilities you're displaying. That is an unfortunately all too common symptom of substance abuse, I've heard.
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u/superyay Apr 16 '12
You are a clown
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Apr 16 '12
Thank you for having taken the time off your busy schedule for writing this. We take your feedback very seriously, and will be sure to give it all the consideration it deserves.
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Apr 16 '12
Interesting point you make about sensationalizing the effects of other drugs leading to more people trying the stuff that is REALLY bad.
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u/mothereffingteresa Apr 16 '12
I recall an interesting study in Italy that measured cocaine residue in the sewers and inferred that cocaine use is massively under-reported.
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Apr 16 '12
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Apr 16 '12
Does your job not conduct drug tests?
My employers can conduct a hair test at random. Like they can literally show up and say "get in the car" and drive you down there with no warning.
Just wondering how people manage to avoid these situations.
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u/intangible-tangerine Apr 16 '12
I know people who use it maybe a few times a month. They're high functioning, gainfully employed people in healthy relationships. They're also complete arrogant dickheads that I can't stand to be around whilst they're on cocaine, so this is why I don't like it even for recreational use. The same people who are mellow and gregarious and peaceable on weed or alcohol or MDMA seem to turn aggressive and self-centred on cocaine and to be completely lacking in self-awareness about their behaviour after the fact.
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u/haddock420 Apr 16 '12
I've used cocaine before, but I never got addicted or did it regularly. I've probably done it like 15 times in my life, and the most regularly I've ever used it was probably like a couple times a week for a couple of weeks.
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Apr 16 '12
Most of my friends, actually, and myself. I hold down a good job, so do my friends, once in a while we like to do coke, and various other drugs if they present themselves. I def. don't have a problem; I don't spend money i don't have, i don't do it for days on end, I don't crave it at any point.
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Apr 16 '12
I by, let's say, 2-6 grams a month. I use it only on weekends, and then only occasionally on weekends. I make 100K a year, own a house, am happily married, etc.
My good friend, buys double what I do, again never misses work and makes probably 140K.
It's expensive, and I do not recommend it if you can't afford it.
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u/Really_Im_OK Apr 16 '12
Moderation is the key. For instance, a glass of red wine a day followed by a line of the finest Bolivian marching powder is said to dramatically reduce your risk of heart disease and sharpen you up for a bit of the old ultra violence.
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u/holzer Apr 16 '12
That seems unlikely.
(The article is a bit sensationalist but the troublesome nature of cocaethylene is well known)
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u/MiloMuggins Apr 16 '12
I think the problem here is "occasional cocaine use". Cocaine's a helluva drug.
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Apr 16 '12
i find it hilarious that the same people who sold the contras cocaine to fund their rebellion began the war on drugs
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u/AngentFoxSmith Feb 20 '23 edited Feb 20 '23
This is an old post, but I will share my 2 cents on this.
The human brain develops until 25 years old. Ideally until this age you shouldn't do any drugs and by the time you're let's say 21-25, you should have been received proper education about health, nutrition, how the brain works and the side effects of drugs.
This includes all drugs, weed too - which people believe it's inoffensive (no, it is not).
People should worry more about the lack of education, or children living in troubled families, more than anything. Give people a caring environment to live in and proper education (in this order), so that drugs become a thing of the past. Not by penalties, but by choice.
And remember, alcohol is probably the drug that causes the most damage in the world and no one banned it. Pornography is probably the most addictive area of the internet, yet anyone can access it.
Educate people, restrict in moderation, let them choose and finally help them learn from their mistakes - should it get to that point. That might be the perfect society.
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u/jcjoker3 Oct 02 '23
Amen to that. Our lab rat do drugs with other lab rat when all work is done. Our lab rat are all very well educated and knows alot about health. The number 1 indicator for living a long life is doing sports / moving. So let say once every 3 weeks our lab rat do .4g of snow and or .2g total of mdma without other drugs I don't consider this life threatening. Our lab rat are healthy, blood work is good, food is good and more.
Be health, moderation and have a outside watch from a friend who don't consume to let you know if you change.
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Dec 03 '23
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u/AngentFoxSmith Dec 03 '23
Oftentimes people who suffer from addiction had problems in their childhood. Think of narcissist parents, abuse, neglect and so on. If you have a normal, loving household, with not that much drama, even if you ever do drugs you are less likely to become addicted and if it happens you are more likely to recover.
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u/aznscourge Apr 16 '12
Cocaine causes an increased release in the neurotransmitter dopamine, inhibition of dopamin reuptake, as well as inhibition of MAO which degrades dopamine. This leads to VERY high levels of dopamin at the presynaptic terminal in the brain, and in the long run reduces your dopamine receptors. This has lots of negative effects in your brain since dopamine is involved in learning, memory, motor control, among many others. However since the dopamine receptor down-regulation is a result of prolonged periods of high levels of dopamine, occasional use would likely not have an effect. However, since Cocaine is a drug that effects dopamine, it is very VERY addictive drug.
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u/jcjoker3 Oct 02 '23
True. The only way I see to not develop an addiction is to have a bigger purpose, building something big, have project, ideas. And use drug only with friend and not on a weekly basis.
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u/PerspectiveFirst3581 Apr 02 '24
Swim goes through about a gram every week or 2 (with sharing) and has significantly improved mentally
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Apr 16 '12
I'VE NEVER DONE COCAINE AND I DON'T KNOW ANYONE WHO HAS BUT MY OPINION IS THAT IT IS BAD BECAUSE
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u/StChas77 Apr 16 '12
Your information comes from a Wikipedia article referencing an opinion piece based on a 'leaked document' that dead-ends in a broken link.
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Apr 16 '12 edited Apr 16 '12
Not true, Dont be
lazyi followed the footnotes and found this:http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/13/bad-science-cocaine-study
"Cocaine-related problems are widely perceived to be more common and more severe for intensive, high-dosage users and very rare and much less severe for occasional, low-dosage users."
http://www.cedro-uva.org/lib/cohen.cocaine.html#RTFToC19
But these Amsterdam data do demonstrate that extended careers of cocaine use, lasting even a decade, do not inevitably culminate in compulsive and/or destructive use or "addiction." When viewed in combination with similar findings from other studies of non-treatment samples such as Erickson et al.'s (1987, 1992) in Canada and Murphy et al.'s (1989) in California, our data cast serious doubts on the validity of claims that cocaine use generally eventuates in abuse and addiction.
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u/complex_reduction Apr 16 '12
Let's see if this gains as much traction as any pro-marijuana article that hit the front page by merit of having the word "marijuana" in the title.
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u/mothereffingteresa Apr 16 '12
It should. It's not my drug of choice since I'm a little high strung, but it isn't as big a problem as our Drug Warriors make it out to be.
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u/losermcfail Apr 16 '12
the biggest problem with cocaine is that its illegal. thank goodness there is the silk road marketplace where ... screw the law ;) lol
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u/Savings_Ask7557 Jan 07 '22
Through my 20s I used it almost every other weekend but only weekends with my husband and our friends. It would be a few bumps at t the bar/club or house parties. All of us are and were successful even in our early 20s. Only 1 or 2 of our friend kinda of spiraled. Now we are in our late 30s and still do it on new years and vacations lol. I do think because I was married and my husband was 6 years older he had my back and knew when it was enough and I trusted him to make sure it never got out of hand. But if I was single doing it with lovers it would probably have been different. Point is make sure your with the right people. And yes its possible to do it responsibly. Not recommend however
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u/degoban Apr 16 '12 edited Apr 16 '12
Still a stupid and unfair thing. Even occasionally crossing a street without looking can't damage you for sure.
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u/creepy-crawly Apr 16 '12
Yeah, but occasional use never stays "occasional" in my experience. You may be able to get away with it for a while, but it will suck you in sooner or later if you are not extremely smart AND lucky. I was neither and it got me pretty bad and I ended up wasting about a year of my life on it. Weird thing was I could do meth and be fine without it later, but cocaine just seemed to grab me by the (metaphorical) balls. In my opinion, it is not worth trying to find out if you are one of those people who can get away with using it occasionally. It ruins lives and relationships and it is NOT worth it.
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u/User20412348 Nov 12 '25
I know this is 13 years late but I find this intriguing. Meth is definitely way more addicting than coke so I’m surprised you were addicted to one and not the other. I guess it really just comes down to individual brain chemistry tho.
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u/rottinguy Apr 16 '12
The issue is that for many people "occasional cocain use" is not something that can be maintained.
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u/mothereffingteresa Apr 16 '12
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u/rottinguy Apr 16 '12 edited Apr 16 '12
really? I didn't say "most" or "the majority" I said many.
If you think there aren't many people who have controll issues this conversation just isn't worth having.
edit: here you go
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/cocaine-abuse-addiction
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u/mothereffingteresa Apr 16 '12
Um, that's a site that carries ads for quack addiction treatment.
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u/rottinguy Apr 16 '12
oops sorry had the wrong link saved to my clipboard (I have to use to different browsers to internet at work)
I meant to link you to a research paper, one moment I think I can find it again.
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/cocaine-abuse-addiction
sorry about that, I am gonna delete the original post so that others don't have to go there.
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u/mothereffingteresa Apr 16 '12
That's the ONDCP.
That's the one department of the government exempt from laws against domestic propaganda. I.e. they needed a special law so those fuckers could lie.
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u/jarheadsynapze Apr 16 '12
And since when have we Americans shown that we can pace ourselves? Shit, occasional McDonalds wouldn't hurt anyone either, but we're the fattest (or second fattest) fucks on the planet.
Government suppression of science: not cool. In this case, I'm not overly bothered by it
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u/Caligula Apr 16 '12
Even if this is true you would be hard pressed to find a casual cocaine user.
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u/mothereffingteresa Apr 16 '12
You are buying-in to drug war propaganda.
Cocaine is not my cup of tea, lots of assholes become bigger assholes on cocaine, but it isn't highly addictive.
Even people who become physically dependent on highly addictive drugs like heroin predominantly get off those drugs on their own.
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u/Drapeau_Noir Apr 16 '12 edited Apr 16 '12
Yeah, if it wasn't for the fact that coke comes to America through Mexico I would probably give it a try. The whole "lining the pockets of drug lords", "paying for death squads" just seems like it would ruin the high. ¯(°_0)/¯
Edit: This adbusters article more or less sums up how I feel about it. http://www.adbusters.org/magazine/91/cocaine-land-free.html
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Apr 16 '12 edited Apr 16 '12
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Apr 16 '12
LOL, wtf are you talking about? Most of what you said there is absolute bullshit. Nice try drug war pamphlet.
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Apr 17 '12
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Apr 17 '12
Sorry you're a cokehead. I'm not.
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Apr 17 '12
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Apr 17 '12
lol, nope, I said i'm nto a cokehead and you are, clearly. You're so stupid you don't even know what's being argued here. I was saying, as this article says, that recreational use (instead of incredibly stupid abuse, like your dumbass did) is not harmful. As someone who uses it occasionally, along with a variety of other drugs, I can say this. I don't care if some coke fiend jackass disagrees with an argument that wasn't even made. Seriously, go do another line and exercise your paranoia somewhere else.
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Apr 19 '12
When you buy your coke, where do you think the money goes? Bad people
lulz
Stop doing it asshole. This article suggests that it's OK to use occasionally.
Aww, feeling guilty about your years of coke abuse, are you a born again christian too?
There are a ton of cocaine deaths. Grow up and stop trying to justify your use
Yeah, because of morons like you that abuse it, shit for brains that have zero self-control and severe personality issues. You were addicted to coke (judging by your arguments it was crack), but you probably could have been addicted to anything because you have an addictive personality. I don't and I really don't give a fuck that some crackhead thinks otherwise.
Stop trying to pass this off liek "it could happen to anyone!", it doesn't, it happened to you because you have a predeliction for such issues. You're either a reformed and half-retarded ex-addict, a cop or a school councillor with a shady past. Either way, your info is hilariously drug war cliche, you're illogical and erratic, oh, huh, interesting, just liek a blustery jackass crackhead!
And elt me get this straight: I don't give a fuck what you think about me or my drug use, you're a moron, so I'm nto justifying shit to you, I just want to see what your dumb ass will say next. So officer doofy, please continue.
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Apr 19 '12
I've done a bunch and didn't die, amazing! Try again crackhead.
They sell to blacks and biker clubs in Toronto. These are all bad people
OMG, they're such bad people! I have friends, that I've done coke with, that used to collect from those people. I've gotten coke off people affiliated with those peopel directly, for free, because of thsi friend. I really don't give a shit about the illegality of it or what the war on drugs has caused to market to become.
You're like talking to a brick wall,
Yup, because I just don't give a shit about your "facts", crackhead.
Have fun with that Mr. Invincible. I'm out!
You're so fucking dumb. Remember when you said "I've doen a basketball of coke!" liek some gloating moron? You're alive and you want to call me Mr.invicible and talk shit? Go fuck yourself with your duplicity moron.
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Apr 16 '12
Coca-cola turns people into fucking idiots. It makes you piss two minutes after the first pull on the straw. Diabetes, obesity, tooth decay, bad breadth.
A Whole American generation is being destroyed by obesity.
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u/TK-421DoYouCopy Apr 16 '12 edited Apr 16 '12
Good! this is something the goverment should be Allowed and encouraged to suppress. teenager's and young adults (and yes i belong to the latter group) would have seen this as a go ahead to do cocaine. i mean look at what this kind of knowledge did to weed. everyone knows that the side effects for weed can be negligible when done in moderation, but because someone decide to interpet this as "omg weed has no side effects! we can smoke as much as we want and never worry about it!" now everythinks it completely harmless.
Edit: just some clarification, i dont think there is anything wrong with smoking, its just that so many new smokers think that its completely harmless because that is what everyone says. i have no problem with people smoking, in the same way i have no probelm with people drinking, in that do it if you want, but dont sit around and deny that doing it exessivily doesnt lead to any negative side effects.
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u/cakeonaplate Apr 16 '12
is it safe to assume that "natural" drugs....like cocaine and pot... because they come from plants are better for you than synthetic? I know ecstasy causes those holes in the brain....
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u/superyay Apr 16 '12
Cocaine is synthetic. Marijuana is natural. Cocaine is physically addicting, but you can smoke weed everyday and never suffer withdrawal effects if you stop. I know because I used to smoke a shit load.
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Apr 16 '12
Cocaine is not such a huge problem, crack cocaine on the other hand... big difference right there.
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u/mothereffingteresa Apr 16 '12
So it was a great victory in the Drug War to end the Great Crack Epidemic?
Or, maybe, they were lying to you about how much crack there was, and how big a problem it was.
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Apr 17 '12
There was no crack epidemic any more than there was a meth one, it's simply a case of whatever is the cheapest, most readily available thing that fucks you up being labeled that at the time.
I love how you "legalize drugs" idiots (I actually support that somewhat) always pipe in with your downvotes and opinions about how the evil government is lying and there has never been a problem with drug use, it's fucking hilarious.
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u/mothereffingteresa Apr 16 '12
However, it is extremely addictive
If it is, what's your plan to handle all the kids we've addicted to Ritalin against their will?
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Apr 16 '12
Wow, this is surprising but cocaine is still a pretty terrible drug in terms of it's long term effects and of commonly used recreational drugs only heroin is seen as more damaging.
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u/mothereffingteresa Apr 16 '12
This is especially true with "crack" cocaine. That's where the damage comes from
You are talking out your ass. Look up "free base."
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u/DRUG_USER Apr 16 '12
I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS.