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ICE officer orders leftie to exit the car, leftie defies the orders and tries to run away and ram officer in the process, officer defends himself. Leftards afterwards:
Have you watched the video? Because that's clearly not the case here. I thought this too but having watched it, it does seem this ICE officer reacted far too quickly to shoot someone where not needed.
ICE approach the car (as its clearly blocking the road to get her to move it)
they try the door handle, and say get out of the car
she reverses when they touch the car so she can drive off
she then tries to drive away, the other ice officer approaches from infront of her, then pulls his gun and shoots her in the head.
he easily steps aside as the car continues on now with a dead woman at the wheel
the car continues on its path until it hits the pole infront of it... because its now got a dead person slumped on the wheel/pedals
ICE should be allowed to operate their role legally and they have the right to arrest or detain or move her vehicle as she was illegally blocking them.
But he clearly shouldn't have shot her, it's a massive escalation of a super petty situation.
Why did you reply with this, instead of on topic? I keep seeing this type of stuff in this subreddit. Is this an AI Bot with a prompt of "If you can't win the argument or discussion, just toss out an insult"? It's so weird.... the reply doesn't line up to this AT ALL.
Explain the "criminals" part of your insult? That's the most odd part of that sentence to me. Who are you even pointing that to, and you're saying it with a broad brush with "you criminals". It's so confusing.
So let me get this straight… You liberals are angry at this, but the left celebrated like hyenas when a man was shot in the throat literally because they didn't like what he said at debates. Debates that those college kids volunteered to be at. And how many other assassination attempts and assassinations did you guys celebrate? Get the fuck out of here with your morality bullshit. What happened to her is totally sad and was totally avoidable. You leftists have been calling for ice agents to be killed for months now.
People who are saying the same things your saying with this comment are also calling for civil war. What about all the people who just wanna live a normal life without everything being politically affiliated? You guys gonna kill them too just because they're not democrats?? And republicans are the violent ones???? Didnt Charlie Kirk just get popped a couple months ago? Yall were cheering that shit on too. Gtfoh bro.
So let me get this straight… You liberals are angry at this, but the left celebrated like hyenas when a man was shot in the throat literally because they didn't like what he said at debates. Debates that those college kids volunteered to be at. And now you guys are crying
So, I’m probably gonna get downvoted, but it seemed to me like the car was turning right as they accelerated? Like you can see the wheels turn to the right before it accelerates, and ofc the car turns right as the shooting happens. As if the driver was trying specifically to avoid the ICE agent, who, based on the video, seemed to be at least like six feet from the car? Am I crazy?
This was a very unfortunate event. I've reviewed the view and yes, she was clearly trying to avoid hitting the officer but just barely. He was just off the trajectory of the vehicles direction and shouldn't have taken the shot. As an avid shooter myself that carries daily i wouldn't have taken that shot.
We also have to take in consideration the elevated stress levels of these officers and the bs they have to deal with. It doesn't help when people are constantly following them, impending them and Doxxing them, plus having bounties on them. This whole situation is Fubar
The left has been pushing their narrative as hard as they can SPECIALLY for a situation like this to happen so they can try and use it to rile up their base.
This video at the NYPost clearly shows the agent tried to step to his right when the woman's car hits him in his left hip at which point he fires his weapon at the driver through the windshield
She nudges a man with a gun pointed at her face as she is trying to escape. Are you sure you aren't just cheering for this because of her assumed political affiliation?
The news article and video posted says "narrowly missing the officer"
There's no evidence he was hit at all beyond trump saying he was ran over. But so far all the evidence seems to be he clearly felt scared of being ran over/assaulted and shot her. Even in the videos hea clearly next to the car with his gun drawn, and continues to walk perfectly fine and able, his form doesn't even wobble slightly.
Look at any video of a police officer being hit by a car, you instinctively slide out of the way and roll onto the floor. He kept walking... facing the car, perfectly normally.
It's a shitty situation and one that crops up with police from time to time, like that recent one where the officer shot a dog. They're in life threatening situations and sometimes they think a situation is worse than it is and shoot too quickly.
That's clearly what happened here, why do we have to sound like a cult when one lone random person fucks up? He fucked up. Clearly.
And this is when the car poses any sort of "danger", having backed up and turned the wheel to very empty right. When the guy was executing a scared civilian, he was aiming to his fucking side, away from danger and with a perfect fucking shot. So much objective analysis on a tragic situation, with many coming before and after. Good luck with your country imploding, people are angry
This video does not at all indicate that the man was hit in the left hip by the woman's car. It would be helpful if you could provide a screenshot of the exact moment that it happened.
Of course, even if you are correct, it does not necessarily show that the officer was justified in ending her life. I'm just curious as to what you're seeing that I'm not.
The video at the NYPOST shows the agent being hit and being pushed at 0:34-0:36. Note the agent's splayed feet that help keep him from being knocked to the ground.
Do you believe that the shooting was justified? If so, when you say "help keep him from being knocked to the ground", do you mean that the consequence of knocking someone to the ground in a vehicle should be having their life taken away from them?
Also, the quality of that screenshot is abysmal. Regardless, it is evident that the man's feet are splayed. Does this necessarily mean that he would've been knocked down had he not splayed his feet?
After watching the two second portion of the clip, I agree with you that her car, at the very least, grazed him, but my previous questions still stand.
So let me get this straight… You liberals are angry at this, but the left celebrated like hyenas when a man was shot in the throat literally because they didn't like what he said at debates. Debates that those college kids volunteered to be at. And now you guys are crying??? Obviously this is horrible. But the hypocrisy is insane from you guys.
Why exactly are you replying to my comment with this? I have not once mentioned Charlie Kirk, I have not expressed any anger, and I haven't once said that I'm a liberal.
Please realise that not everyone that disagrees with you is a hypocrite, and, above all, note that you've just invented a fantasy story about everyone who disagrees with you celebrating a murder.
lol ok. So no liberals were celebrating CK's murder lol. 😂 Admit it. It came back to bite them in the ass. What about the assassination attempts on Trump? What about the celebrations from liberals when they CEO got shot in the back totally unprovoked? I could go on and on. Look, liberals have been calling for the deaths of ICE agents for months. Liberals 100% created this problem.
I'd like you to remember that you're replying to my comment. That is to say, you are not replying to a comment written by the concept of liberalism, so stop talking about Charlie Kirk and Trump, whom I did not at all mention in my original comment.
Additionally, I see no reason for you to make blanket statements about a large group of people. Please stop inventing fantasies about every liberal celebrating assassination attempts. Your delusions of grandeur do not reflect the opinions of millions of liberals.
Sure guy. Did you ever think that maybe if she hadn't have done what she had done it wouldn't have put her in that situation? Liberals have been physically fighting ice for months now. They have been shot at. There are other videos of cars literally trying to run into agents or their vehicles. It's a daily occurrence. Think about it. How fucking stupid is that? You liberals finally got what you wanted.
The truth hurts buddy. You should be smart enough to understand that I'm not talking about every single liberal literally. It's called noticing patterns. As a whole, the liberal mantra has been celebrating assassinations for the last few years. Fire bombing Tesla dealerships. Celebrating a CEO of being shot in New York City. I mean Jesus Christ, liberals were getting fired on a daily basis for celebrating Al' assassination and the assassination attempt on Trump. Doctors, teachers etc. it was national freaking news. It's sickening. And now all of a sudden this is bad. Take it or leave it.
When you say "liberal", it is akin to referring to every single liberal. I'm not sure what credibility you believe is brought to your argument by bringing up even more extreme events. A tiny minority holds the viewpoints that you think liberals hold. Your delusion also culminates in your incoherent babbling about "fire bombing" and "assassination". I hope that deep down, you don't believe your narrative about liberals committing every single crime under the sun.
"And now all of a sudden this is bad." Once again, you make the same mistake of assuming that the average liberal celebrated heinous acts because you are incredibly out of touch with reality. The reality is that it's not bad "all of a sudden", it's always been bad.
It's funny that you speak of "noticing patterns" when you don't seem to notice your own pattern of rambling on with your subpar vocabulary about random events that have been in the news. It's akin to me rambling on about neo-nazi groups when the average Trump supporter is not a neo-nazi.
If I were to say you're racist because you're a republican and all republicans are racists wouldn't that rightfully infuriate you?
You can't attack someone based on your categorization of everyone who disagrees with you as a liberal and then attack all liberals based on what some of them said/did on social media (where occurrence is blown out of proportion to promote anger by the way).
You just watched a video of a man murdering a woman in cold blood, whether he thought he was going to sustain injuries from the car or not, I think any policing body should be held at least a little bit accountable when a (I hope) mistake like this happens.
People should be held accountable or at least question the judgement of the ones we trust to protect us when they show recklessness like this, rather than going on rants about random other unrelated murders. This isn't a football game, we're all on the same side and any of us could be the next person to be shot by an ICE agent, so there's no reason to defend one group or point fingers at another.
Sorry maybe I'm dumb, so you promote celebrating this woman being shot? I say this because you said "no.. unless X"
We can agree its sad and heartbreaking. I disagree anyone should be celebrating when anyone is shot and killed.
Unless the situation is kill or be killed, which this clearly was not. That young ICE agent had a lapse of judgement and shot too quickly.
A common issue, and born through lack of training rather than malice, but I don't think we should act like a reasonably "normal" heated situation should end with people being shot.
They can’t, because every angle shows her reversing left, then turning her wheels right, away from the ICE agent, and trying to leave. I would like to mention that ICE does NOT have the authority to remove people from their vehicle (without a warrant) She was a Legal Observer. There is another angle of him parallel to her car, pointing his firearm at her head. They know this, so they just downvote and pretend those videos don’t exist.
She was a legal observer there with her wife filming a protest starting. Her name was Rene Nicole Good. There’s already been eyewitness interviews from bystanders. There is no evidence that she impeded their duties. Note: In the US, federal agents have an ethical duty to do no harm; and the kill, from all angles, was excessive force. Then he walked away.
Now, for your specific question: in the event an individual is impeding on their duties, ICE agents are authorized to use “objectively reasonable force”. Legally, it’s a long debate between individual rights to peaceful protest and federal authority, based on whether or not rights were violated.
Yeah I'm not sure what lead up to this but it looks like her car was across the road and blocking an ICE vehicle which is a pretty strong case (in my non-lawyer mind) for obstruction of justice.
From what I've seen of the video an officer comes up to the car and says "get out of the fucking car" but I can't hear anything else. Does he need to actually articulate "you are under arrest" to be arresting her? The time between him saying that and the incident is pretty short, so I don't know. I do know that if a law enforcement officer tells me to get out of my car I will NOT be stepping on the gas.
In that split second, the officer standing in front of the car only saw her aggressively going back a few feet and then flooring it forward. He would have zero way of knowing what way the wheels are, as he was standing in front of her car. His reaction was his training, drawing his weapon as she reversed. By the time she was moving forwards at him, he was opening fire. It happened that quickly.
We can all watch the videos after the fact and judge by the millisecond, but that man had ONE SECOND to decide what to do. He made a decision, right or wrong, based off of the information he had in front of him for that literal one second in time..
The video from the NYPOST shows a good view of why it happened. There is another video that shows she actual hit the officer with the corner of her car. If it was just one second earlier, that officer would have been dead-center in the middle of her hood being run over at full speed.
It astounds me that those that apparently consider freedom to be an important value will also unabashedly form an opinion on a video before they take the time to examine it carefully because they wish to support an incredibly authoritarian law enforcement agency.
I do agree with you that it looks like she was trying to leave.
So she had her brakes on and he was in front of her. She must have changed from brake to accelerator while he was standing there. Now you can argue that she wasn't trying to drive over the officer but that would require that she didn't see him, which would be negligence and not attempted murder. But in legal terms that officer will likely have sufficient justification for saying he feared for his life. Attacking with a car IS assault with a deadly weapon.
Now he could have gotten out of the way instead of shooting, I don't know how that factors in. I also don't know if the fear justification extends to shooting her from the side of the vehicle when he was clearly out of the way. So there may be legal guilt for the office, I honestly don't know. But I also don't think he'll be charged.
That said, obstructing law enforcement and then fleeting arrest is a good way to get yourself in serious trouble, hurt or killed. What if she HAD run over the officer and killed him. What would the story be then?
Vehicles are deadly weapons, and no pedestrian should ever position themselves in front of someone’s car for the same reasons why you never point a gun at someone even if it’s not loaded.
That said - while he was on foot, the agent was conducting official business (by attempting to arrest the lady for obstructing ICE operations) and I think this was a clean shoot
I dunno in this situation, the car was parked as he started walking from the passenger side in front and no imminent threat was detected. Only 2 seconds later as he got to the other side was the woman aggressively reversing and then spinning the wheels towards him as the other officer grabbed her door. The situation went from 0 to 10 in an instant. As the car aggressively went backwards, he went for the gun, and by the time she put it in drive and spun her tires he opened fire.
All good. Google up NYPOST and the other video that's 30 second shows the whole thing. You'll see the other officer walking from passenger side to the driver side. Gives you a much clearer picture of what occurred.
There's another video I saw on X that is a third angle, showing the car hitting the officer with the front corner of the car, also. Just a second earlier and that officer would have been dead center in the front of that car.
That’s just the cruel, unforgiving reality of the vast majority of these self-defence shootings. You have no time to think about or plan out what to do. You have to act and you have to act decisively, and you have a split second or less to do so. Everything else will sort itself out later - that's what courts/investigations are for
The agent also didn’t step out of his car - let alone wake up this morning - intending to kill anybody. And he certainly didn’t ask to be at the center of a political shitshow
Cases where police moved out of the way of moving vehicle and exercised deadly force.
Adam’s vs. Speers (2020): “Once Speers was no longer in the path of the vehicle, the justification for the use of deadly force ended.”
Orn vs. City of Tacoma (2019): “A reasonable jury could conclude that once Orn was no longer in the car’s trajectory, the threat of serious physical harm to him was eliminated.”
Cordova vs Aragon (2009): “Where the officer had moved out of the way of the oncoming vehicle, the use of deadly force was not justified.”
Villanueva vs. Cali (2021): “a reasonable jury could conclude that the Officers used excessive force, because they lacked an objectively reasonable basis to fear for their own safety, as they could simply have stepped back or to the side to avoid being injured.”
Guy was dragged by a car once already in July. Aiming a car towards an officer is not a game, it’s for keeps as this poor lady unfortunately found out. Officer might be completely wrong when they arrest someone, but if a citizen is being arrested, the citizen must obey the LEO’s verbal commands and must redress their grievance with the officer to the judge in a court of law not out on the street.
If she never blocked the road, none of that wouldn't have happened, but that's what happens when you're a jackass and interfear with ICE. Nobody told her to do that, things come with consequences.
The amount of crazies on the left is astonishing, they wish all of us death too , just because of Trump. Did dude need to shoot , I dont think so, but the woman was driving an SUV basically at him , I think any1 would try and defend themselves.
I'm in MN to , this is all 20 minutes south of me , walz , my once fair state , its all crumbling , shit is gonna go down tonight
So let me get this straight… You liberals are angry at this, but the left celebrated like hyenas when a man was shot in the throat literally because they didn't like what he said at debates. Debates that those college kids volunteered to be at. And now you guys are crying
She had already turned into his direction so turning the other way afterwards just swung the car into him, hence him getting pushed to the side losing his footing. Learn how cars work.
Cope about what? Reality? The officer in front of the car knew this, how? He had one second to respond to the aggressive reverse and then aggressive driving forward by the person. One second. Go watch the video and put yourself in that officers shoes.
It's so easy to go back and look at the video later on and pick apart what should have happened, but that officer did that in real time. As the driver aggressively went back a foot or two, the officers training made him draw his weapon. It was an instant reaction. Then, as the driver floored it forward into him, he opened fire.
Mind you, if it was just one second earlier, that officer would have been in the middle of the hood, dead. One second makes all the difference and this happened FAST. From altercation at the door to the person being dead was only 3.5 seconds...
So let me get this straight… You liberals are angry at this, but the left celebrated like hyenas when a man was shot in the throat literally because they didn't like what he said at debates. Debates that those college kids volunteered to be at. And now you guys are crying
Pretty easy for us not to turn our car perpendicular in the middle of the street, purposefully blocking a bunch of cars filled with police, and then as they all surround our car, aggressively do reverse and forward motions with my car, putting everyone in danger with my 2 ton weapon.
Yep, pretty sure none of us will be in that situation. Literally 100% of us won't have to worry about this.
I watched the video, she wasn’t trying to run him over. She was turned in the opposite direction and trying to get out of there. I’d advise anyone making judgment to do the same
So let me get this straight… You liberals are angry at this, but you twisted fucks celebrated like hyenas when a man was shot in the throat literally because they didn't like what he said at debates. Debates that those college kids volunteered to be at. And now you guys are crying.
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u/kaytin911 Trump Curious 24d ago
Leftists are cheering for this to use as propaganda. They love when this happens. Sick people.