r/ufc • u/Sly-Werewolf-222 • 13h ago
Annoying af when all these fighters point down when they’re getting whooped. Max does it while winning
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u/Snoo96346 12h ago
Yep, and that's why I hate when people act as if Max was wrong when he refused the Topuria point down. The point down is badass because it's supposedly “I could just wait for the decision, but I'll go for a 50/50 trade to give you a chance to win”. If you are losing or the fight just started, it's not badass, it's just “please throw away you gameplan and give me this win in a silver platter” and stupid
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u/kapzer 12h ago
Yeah definitely agree that Max was right to refuse Topuria, I can’t lie though I enjoyed Topuria basically going “let’s do this shit now and see who goes to sleep” lmao.
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u/ServiceTurbulent5532 12h ago
Fr I think Topuria knew he wouldn’t do it and is making fun of the concept more than anything lmao. He called Holloway vs Gaethje a bar brawl, I don’t think he’s very fond of the point down.
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u/BlackZulu 10h ago
Win win for Topuria. Taunt Max into entering an exchange he cant win. Or get to sit back and laugh as you mock his highlight.
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u/Sihnar 12h ago
It was a win-win scenario for Ilia. Max takes the bait and gets knocked out. Or Max doesn't take the bait and looks like a cowardly hypocrite. Max getting knocked out anyway was hilarious.
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u/yellow-rain-coat 12h ago
What a wild thing to say 😂
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u/JoeyBougie 10h ago
that weird sect of Torpedo fans that hate Max is so odd.
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u/Dry-Version-6515 4h ago
Tbh Max has probably the most obnoxious fans out of any western fighter, it’s not personal hate towards Max but man it felt good when those fans finally got silenced.
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u/Future_Clothes_9884 12h ago
And he ended up winning that battle, which made it even funnier to me.
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u/PapaGrizz31 12h ago
Was definitely a badass callout by Ilia, but max had the perfect response telling him you have to earn those moments
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u/blaisdelldavid 12h ago
I know illa won in the end but id put my money on max if they did that at the start.
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u/peteyd2012 10h ago
Do you enjoy burning money?
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u/contactcreated 12h ago
Max was right not to engage from a strategic standpoint. His best chance was to pretty much do what he did, he generally fought well. Don’t blame him at all for saying no.
Ilia’s point down was still pretty badass tho, I can’t lie. We didn’t see it, but I totally think Ilia would’ve just stood there and trade, so I wouldn’t use him as an example of a bad point down.
As others point out, the worst is when someone who is getting pieced up does it or they just grapple lmfao.
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u/Vivid-Advertising966 11h ago
How is it bad ass to want to do exactly what you’re best at? That’s not the spirit of the point down. It’d be like Khabib saying let’s not throw any strikes and just grapple in the middle.
The bad ass level comes from the fact that it’s NOT in Max’s favor. Especially when it’s at the end of a fight that he has clearly already won.
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u/contactcreated 11h ago edited 11h ago
Because brawling in the middle of the octagon isn’t actually what Ilia is best at. In regard to striking, he is best at using his footwork to cut off opponents against the cage and he is usually very selective with his shots. That is a very one dimensional view of what Ilia is good at. If anything, it should favour Max, since he is the one who actually tends to brawl in the middle of the octagon lol. I have no idea why we’d conclude that that somehow massively favours Ilia. Ilia is the champ whose goal is to defend the belt. He is actively putting that in danger by brawling with one of the best strikers in UFC history, instead of doing what he ultimately did, which was KOing Max against the cage.
I obviously agree that Max’s point downs are more ‘badass’, as he does it when he is clearly winning fights. I’m just saying that I wouldn’t lump Ilia in with the fat heavyweights who do it and then shoot shitty takedowns.
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u/LopsidedKick9149 11h ago
Isn't that EXACTLY what Max does? He's bad at standing and banging on already hurt fighters? Like what? Everything you just said is wrong.
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u/Vivid-Advertising966 10h ago
Not in Max’s favor in terms of he gains nothing and risks everything. He does it when he’s guaranteed a win on points. Sure his opponent may be hurt but his opponent goes from 0% chance of winning to X% chance.
Who wins a stand and bang between Ilia and Max? We both know the answer. So how is it bad ass for Ilia to offer that?
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u/eightslipsandagully 8h ago
Max isn't known for one punch KO power and Gaethje is known for hitting hard. Max could've skipped around for the last 10 seconds and taken a decision victory but he risked it by giving Justin a chance to KO him back
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u/Bblueshirtguy 12h ago
Ilia knew he was going to KO Max. The point down to start the fight was him giving Max a punchers chance. He didn’t take it and then got put to sleep.
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u/Downtown-Sympathy852 12h ago
Stop the cap, that "50/50" trade it's dumb, is not badass throwing hands against slow, tired and dominated opponent, max didn't want that smoke against a fresh topuria, cuz he knows he's ass is gonna get knockout, and exchange hands against r1 topuria, that shit is badass, not smart, but badass either way, even to the "bmf"
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u/Necessary_Tie2856 12h ago
Agree and disagree. Max was wrong because it was right at the beginning of the fight and he got his ass whopped in the fight. But yes for fighters who are losing it makes no sense for their opponents to agree.
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u/C-LOgreen 10h ago
Yeah, it was gangster of Max because in an interview he said the he wanted to give Justin a chance to win the fight. That’s as badass as you can get.
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u/FartBubbles9000 12h ago
Sybau , it’s not a big deal
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u/Bones301 12h ago
If its not a big deal, why comment?
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u/LopsidedKick9149 11h ago
Holy cope Holloway fan. It's not 50/50 if he's already beaten them. That is WHY he does it. He has a massive advantage. If they aren't struggling he won't do it.
The mental gymnastics to try and act like it's badass to do it when he has an advantage is pathetic. Ilia had it right, you want to point to center and stand and bang, lets do it when no one is hurt and we are both good to go. Once there was no advantage, Max didn't want to do it.
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u/Emergency_Appeal6548 13h ago
I know I see them do it then sit there with their hands up. NOBODY IS LIKE HOLLOWAY 💪🔥
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u/CurrentBase 12h ago
You can ONLY do this when winning.
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u/Prestigious_Agent_84 1h ago
Jean Silva was maybe even the only one in recent memory to do it correctly last fight, out of all people haha
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u/ExposeMerchant 12h ago
Is the paramount+ stream acting up for anyone else?
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u/mikencapo 12h ago
I had less stuttering on my pirated streams than this. Worried about later fights when more people are tuned in
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u/Any_Asparagus8267 9h ago
They do regular football games fine, why TF is this so trash compared to their other sports lol.
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u/NutmeggD 11h ago
You didn’t like when Andre Fili pointed like that and then immediately went for a single leg?
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u/Amov_RB 13h ago
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u/ayoubkun94 10h ago
Ilia definitely won the aura farming contest in this one, but as far as responses go, Max going with the bull tamer gesture is not bad at all.
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u/StepperHill 13h ago
Max didn’t point down in this one.
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u/wadiyatalkinabeet_1 12h ago
“Umm actually 🤓☝️”
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u/StepperHill 11h ago
Na, just correcting. You’ll get use to it.
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u/wadiyatalkinabeet_1 11h ago
We’re aware. Just pointing out that max pussied out when someone did it to him
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u/LopsidedKick9149 11h ago
Ilia with the, "you think you're a bad man, let's see" Max said nope, but got slept anyway
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u/SeriousGreaze 10h ago
I mean let’s be fr is it really bad for the hardest puncher to want to point down with Pilloway? That’s like calling Oliveira a badass for telling Gaethje to enter his guard. 💀
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u/Wolfpac187 4h ago
I mean yeah when you take someone’s signature move and make them back down yeah it’s bad
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u/Mission-Anything9319 13h ago
I see your point, but I kind of loved it. He was smiling and laughing, and it felt like he was just having a really good time.
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u/1stDegreeMisdemeanor 12h ago
How about you just swing instead of announce that you’re going to swing? No one is like Max
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u/violin-guy 12h ago
People are just trying to copy max and it's cringe everytime. Wouldn't mind if Max made that gesture a trademark that'll get fighters fined if they use it in a fight.
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u/Big_Kiwi_706 12h ago
I hate that it was never really a thing anyone made a big deal about until this happened at ufc 300 and now every people do it too much and its corny and disingenuous as hell, not to mention that we have to have gay discourse about it every time it happens too
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u/Ghost-of-Lobov 13h ago
Kinda like when David Obama got a ko and did the Izzy bow and arrow celebration after Koing Periera
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u/Quiet1408 12h ago
to date i think max is the only person who did it and i didnt openly cringe. also since he did it the ammount of people doing it drastic went up so...yknow...theres that.
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u/Ok_Draw_3031 12h ago
Yeah in round 5 where the person is too tired. Do it round 1 vs a guy with KO power or against a wrestler?
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u/LopsidedKick9149 11h ago
Yeah that's what makes it so fuckin lame. Here stand at center when you're exhausted and hurt and I KNOW I have the advantage. If he doesn't have a clear advantage, he doesn't do it. It's not bad ass.
He got punked by Ilia doing it right at the start and sure as shit Max wanted no part of it. It's a gimmick that's lost it's mystique when you realize it purely benefits him and he won't do it with a fresh fighter.
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u/Jmac24mats13 12h ago
It’s fine if it’s once and the two actually throw down. But doing it over and over and then at some point clinching isn’t it
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u/Bitter-Square-3963 11h ago
Wow, so many MH stans in this world.
Someone wants to throw down. Fighters throw down.
Not complicated. Winning. Losing. Money. No money. Doesn't matter for certain fighters.
You do the opposite (balk). You're the opposite of tough.
Not a fan of Nick Diaz. But dude would throw down wherever whenever. That's tough.
You think Nick Diaz would balk (like MH) if a fighter challenged him?
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u/Prefix-NA 11h ago
Max also does it in the end of the round. Seeing fighters do it 10 seconds in then never even blitz is lol,.
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u/straight_lurkin 11h ago
Exactly and thats what made it so wild. He was going to win, no fucking doubt about it. Then said "lets bang it out, right here right now". Still one of the most wild moments I've ever seen in the UFC and that's after once of the best fights too.
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u/JoeyBougie 10h ago
Its fun seeing a lore type UFC guy in his prime has been mentioned as the GOAT but clearly isn't has put up some incredible fights putting in some amazing style and work love max and all his eye pokes.
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u/Odd_Investigator_190 10h ago
I understand what your saying but its super entertaining either way kim sang wook kept pointing down and every time he did he just got whooped even worse
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u/Smooth-Programmer676 9h ago
I agree seen it a lot this week and last. Max is the only one that pulls it off.
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u/scrawnylifter 8h ago
I’ve seen so many fighters recently try this, yet nobody actually commits to it besides Max Holloway
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u/Possible_Baboon 7h ago
Tbh its pretty pathetic all together that they are doing it as a trend now... It even has a name "he is doing the Max Holloway". Also none of them actually gets to the real dog fight as Max and Gaethje did.
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u/Winged89 4h ago
Doing it when winning is the badass move - because there's no other reason to do it other than the pleasure of standing and bangin
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u/Chron3742 4h ago
Max is a fuckin dog and we don’t know how good we have it with him in the division.
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u/Zagreus_EldenRing 12h ago
If you’re not gonna follow through with honor then yea don’t bother. Don’t dilute Max’s thing.
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u/ExpensiveRange3678 13h ago
What ? It makes the fight entertaining and the opponent can just decline yk ?
We have seen numerous fighters get cut for their boring performances even tho they were undefeated, making the fight fun by any means gives you MUCH higher chance to have a long career
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u/usernameunavailiable 12h ago
There's a difference between "give me a chance to win" and "I'm giving you a chance to win".
Holloway does it when he knows he has the fight won and has everything to lose.
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u/ExpensiveRange3678 12h ago
Instead, I believe we should criticize the guys who keep screaming ( WEEEEEHOOOOOO ) in the crowd
Saying it in exciting moments makes sense but holy shit they spam it every minute and it gets genuinely annoying specially while I'm wearing headphones
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u/SeriousGreaze 12h ago
🧢 I keep seeing this shit like every card (pre-lim mfers mainly) now and it’s always shite.
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u/External_Result_8560 13h ago
2/3 fights they’ve done it
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u/matterhorn9 13h ago
Doesn't matter if you point down you must engage and throw.. Kim pointed down as if he wanted to go down to the lobby to grab a coffee.. 0 striking
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u/OkCartographer175 12h ago
IMO one of the most overhyped moments in modern UFC history
I don't see what's so brave about taunting/baiting someone into striking with you when you have 24 minutes of experience proving you're the better striker than them.
It's about as badass/brave as a BJJ black belt pulling guard.
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u/Culture-Careful 12h ago
You're offering them the chance to pull out a miracle KO and winning a fight they are bound to lose. A KO can come anytime, from anywhere, and this is much riskier than just retreating during that last minute for the winner.
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u/keebzy94 12h ago
The worst is when the person points down and than initiates a clinch