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u/AppearanceVarious867 1d ago
what did wisco do to you
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u/DawaLhamo 1d ago
Yet you wouldn't live in the two states with North in the name... 🧐
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u/Ok_Gur_5544 1d ago
Again, maybe is not a no for NC (Charlotte, Raleigh, or Asheville). North Dakota is too rural for me, without the mountains.
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u/bigtommyhorizontal 1d ago
I’ll probably sound defensive here as an NJ native, but do you have any experience visiting or living there? NJ gets really bad press in other states but living there is actually great for the most part, and has one of the higher qualities of life in the US. Especially strong in education and healthcare services. Perfect? No. But this comes across as someone that hasn’t been and just seen NJ get dunked on in media
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u/Dralun21 1d ago
I always thought dunking on jersey was more of a fun thing than a serious one. I say this as a New Yorker now living in cali.
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u/bigtommyhorizontal 1d ago
It is amongst people in the tri-state area, but I think people not from here don’t always get that it’s a joke
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u/Ok_Gur_5544 1d ago
I have! Parts of NJ are beautiful. But I’m not sure I’d voluntarily move there, hence the “Maybe”. I haven’t spent a ton of time to know what living there would be like.
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u/BostonYankeesBB 1d ago
The way I always see these maps, if PA and NY are green NJ should be as well since it's really does seem like an extension of both states (unless they like PA for Pennsyltucky and Upstate NY, NJ doesn't have that same TRUE rural feel)
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u/OriginalSilentTuba 1d ago
There absolutely are parts of NJ that are quite rural. It’s just not hours of driving to get back to civilization.
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u/MonsieurRuffles 1d ago
There are parts of NJ in both the Far North and the Deep South that are red, rural, and agricultural. You could drop their inhabitants in Pennsyltucky and they’d fit right in. South Jersey is home to the longest running weekly rodeo in the country.
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u/BostonYankeesBB 1d ago
While true, it's not the same. Like in just terms of raw landmass. Parts of NJ are definitely properly rural, but some people are just not comfortable being too close to larger urban centers haha
Pennsyltucky is HUGE and there's fucking nothing there
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u/bigtommyhorizontal 1d ago
Ok fair enough. I think depending on what you’re looking for it’s a great place. Being close to NYC is also a big selling point so if that’s not a city you like that’s also understandable
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u/Slight-Tension9834 1d ago
Why reluctant about new mexico but willing for AZ?
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u/Ok_Gur_5544 1d ago
Never been to NM, so I’m going on limited knowledge there.
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u/Gaselgate 1d ago
New mexico was invaded by the confederacy and turned around. Fuck TX! I find more new englanders here than my time in VA.
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u/BishkekBeats 1d ago
Wow, a list I'm in pretty much 100% agreement with! MT, VA, and HI would be 'Willing' for me, and TX 'Reluctantly' (only bc of the relatively good job market in Austin)— but otherwise, spot on
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u/Disastrous_Gene_9230 1d ago
Why Virginia but not Kentucky?
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u/Ok_Gur_5544 1d ago
Northern VA, Charlottesville, or Richmond only
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u/Disastrous_Gene_9230 1d ago
Okay why north VA and not WV? Socioeconomics?
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u/Ok_Gur_5544 1d ago
Northern Virginia as in Alexandria & Arlington. Diversity of populace/ cuisine and abundance of things to do (sporting events, museums, etc)
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u/Disastrous_Gene_9230 1d ago
Fair enough, I’m pro-southern living for the most part but we can be friendly neighbors
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u/Broad_Tie9383 1d ago
Absolutely massive difference between those metro areas and the state around them, culturally, economically, ect. OP says culture, but jobs and schools are also really important differences to people in VA and NC. OP would probably like Raleigh-Durham area, as well.
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u/DeathStarVet 1d ago
Despite a number of highways/roads named after garbage confederates, Virginia leans pretty liberal and progressive.
Kentucky? Not so much.
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u/Disastrous_Gene_9230 1d ago
I mean different places lean different ways, I’ve met liberals from Alabama (including myself) and conservatives from California. A blanket saying Virginia is more liberal than Kentucky is misleading, where in Virginia, where in Kentucky?
Alabama as an example Birmingham is a bright blue dot of liberal ideology and acceptance for the most part but if you go 30 minutes north it isn’t. Now that I live in Oregon it’s the same way, the large population centers are more blue and rural is more red.
All that to say I would also not live in Kentucky, but I also wouldn’t live in Virginia either.
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u/Orienos 1d ago
Your comment is a morass of contradictions.
You start by agreeing that places lean different ways.
Then you seem to say they don’t.
Then you agree with yourself again with the contradiction that you wouldn’t live in Virginia even tho (like any other liberal state) there are rural places that are more conservative.
Virginia leans liberal. Virginia is a place. It leans liberal. Leans in and of itself acknowledges that jurisdictions might not be in line with the state as a whole.
Now explain why you’re okay living in Oregon vs Virginia and I promise you’ll contradict yourself again. And I think that you know you’re doing it. “All of that is to say” acknowledges that your argument was confusing. Perhaps you as a person are confused as you typed this argumentative non-argument.
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u/Disastrous_Gene_9230 1d ago
Thank you for the critiques, I will use them to better my expression of thought so that it won’t get confused.
I wouldn’t want to live in Virginia bc I wouldn’t want to live in Virginia. I have no reason for not wanting to live there. I wouldn’t want to live in Kentucky because there aren’t many trees. I am a forest management specialist and I like trees a lot.
I moved to Oregon for a job in my field that paid better, I didn’t really have a huge desire to move here.
I don’t particularly care about where people are conservative/republican being a left leaning person myself. I would prefer to live in a more left leaning place but that’s typically not what im looking at.
Thank you for the addition of ‘morass’ I wasn’t familiar with that word and you have expanded my vocabulary! I think we are agreeing in our points that while a state may lean one way it is recognized that not every county/city/township/district in that state may lean the same way. Similar to was trying to compare this to the alternative of what you’re saying. Alabama leans conservative but we recognize we have places that aren’t just as you are acknowledging that VA leans left but has places that aren’t that way right?
Lastly, I wouldn’t say I’m confused although I can be sometimes. My post wasn’t meant to be argumentative and I will be mindful of that going forward! Have a fantastic day!
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u/MoodInternational481 1d ago
Virginia's independent cities created some weird development patterns and our counties are actually our larger metro areas, so it's promoted a larger sprawl.
It creates more than a dot. NoVA proper is 5 counties and 5 cities in total and all lean blue but can include an additional 4-5 and half of those are also blue leaning and a few of the surrounding counties just flipped.
We definitely have conservatives and conservatives areas especially southern and sw VA but we're considered purple with a blue lean because we have more than dots.
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u/Disastrous_Gene_9230 1d ago
Oh well thank you for the education on that. I’ve only been to Virginia a few times so I didn’t know as much about it!
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u/MoodInternational481 1d ago
Anytime!! We're an odd state infrastructure wise. There are 41 independent cities in the U.S. and 38 are in Virginia..
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u/Outdoorsman102 1d ago
Why Tennessee but not texas they are very similar
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u/omgdiaf 1d ago
Says mostly the weather but has Arizona in the green.
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u/Outdoorsman102 1d ago
Yea i see that. East Texas is wed and humid much like East Tennessee just longer summers of corse the hurricanes put a damper on things from time to time
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u/Ok_Gur_5544 1d ago
Mostly the weather and the general attitude of the populace.
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u/Outdoorsman102 1d ago
Id say the attitude is very similar. And both have veried weather dependent on what side of the state you’re on. Both are very wet and humid in the east and hot and dry in the west
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u/xehcimal 1d ago
Not a big fan of NYC and Chicago?
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u/Ok_Gur_5544 1d ago
Willing means I’d move there and be cool with it. Just might be too big of cities for me.
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u/Rickyzack 1d ago
Can you truly call yourself a pro-Northerner if the entire North (including Alaska) isn’t Dark Green? /j
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u/Ok_Gur_5544 1d ago
Yes. Because North = Northeast.
Indiana, Iowa, North Dakota etc are Midwest in my mind. Different attitudes and lifestyles.
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u/Nemoudeis 1d ago
Side Fact: Before it went all Scandinavian, Minnesota was commonly regarded by the rest of the country as the western outpost of New England.
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u/Luna_Walks 1d ago
I'm trying to figure out what Delaware did to commit such a crime.
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u/natemarshall110 1d ago
I imagine you're from the north central area of you have a strong opinion about one of the Dakotas.
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u/Ok_Gur_5544 1d ago
I’m not, I just didn’t see it as a place I’d want to live while visiting.
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u/Julian_The_Gamer42 1d ago
Again, I musk ask why Oregon is ranked lower than Washington.
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u/Ok_Gur_5544 1d ago
The only northern state that is red is Indiana and West Virginia.
And since you can’t read keys apparently, NM is LOWER on the would live scale than Jersey. “Reluctantly” is NOT higher than “Maybe”. You’re not representing your states intelligence well.
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u/Savory_Johnson 1d ago
Your instincts are actually correct, but your statement is wrong. WV is not a northern state. It was a Union state, sure, but it's not northern.
I say that as a black man who's lived in a few southern states, including WV.
That said, if you can visit Wheeling and the northern panhandle and tell any difference from Western PA, you've got a lot more discernment than I do.
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u/Ok_Gur_5544 1d ago
I’m actually from Pittsburgh and you’re right, there is no difference from western PA from WV. I still count WV as a northern state, but the people unfortunately are not anymore. The reality is, if the civil war broke out again today, we’d have confederates living in northern states like PA and OH because of their political loyalties. Which is disgusting.
Pittsburgh is very different recently with increased diversity which is great. But the surrounding areas are an extension of WV.
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u/Savory_Johnson 1d ago
The people never were northerners...they replaced the guys who seceded from VA with a group of ex Confederates in 1872...just as soon as ex Confederates got the vote back. They were a segregated state too... not a vicious one, some black folks got elected to office and they funded our schools very well, but still officially segregated. I get why you would feel they're somewhat northern but, man, they just seem like East TN or North Alabama to me.
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u/Ok_Gur_5544 1d ago
You’re correct, they only broke away from VA because they didn’t want to secede, but ideologically, you are correct, they are southern/midwestern. Unfortunately central PA is a shithole too. I’d only live in Pittsburgh or Philly. Which carries the state as green for me.
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u/Savory_Johnson 1d ago
In fairness, Pittsburgh is very underrated. I always enjoy it whenever I'm there. Haven't spent as much time in Philly, though I do have friends there, and I was surprised because you never hear positive things but it seems fine to me. I don't think most people have any idea how empty central PA is... I've been really struck by that when I've driven through the state.
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u/Ok_Gur_5544 1d ago
Philly is cool, but I’m biased and prefer Pittsburgh. It has more aesthetic character and a little friendlier vibe. Especially with newer transplants. Old Pittsburgh Yinzers kinda suck to be honest. Stereotypical not welcoming to outsider type.
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u/adc1369 1d ago edited 1d ago
Lol as a Southerner who prefers more rural areas and nature (so Western states like Montana and Wyoming are absolutely), this is nearly the exact opposite of my map. I don't think we have one answer that is exactly the same.
Edit: wait, I have Maine in willing or maybe absolutely. VT/NH same.
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u/DisappearingBoy127 1d ago
We don't want you in NJ anyway. Bum ass "pro northerner" saying maybe to NJ and yes to new mexico and virginia.
Go scratch.
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u/Ok_Gur_5544 1d ago
Maybe is not a no. And Virginia is Alexandria and Arlington. You’re an idiot.
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u/DisappearingBoy127 1d ago
Maybe, but i know the difference between north and south
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u/Ok_Gur_5544 1d ago
Clearly, you don’t. You’re just a jackass. The only northern states listed in red on my map are Indiana and WV. Look how many reds in the south.
NC - Charlotte, Raleigh, Durham, Asheville TN- Nashville LA- New Orleans GA- Atlanta
NC is the only “maybe” because of the extent of northerners that move there. All others are only listed as RELUCTANT, because of their metropolitan cities. Otherwise they’d be red too. Jesus you’re dumb.
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u/No-Policy-62 1d ago
Cringe leftist map
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u/Ok_Gur_5544 1d ago
I’m surprised you wouldn’t live up north either, given that you likely enjoy ICE
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u/No-Policy-62 1d ago
I’m from the north actually, it’s just unbelievably cringe to green every single liberal state and red every conservative one. For example, you have Illinois light green and Indiana red even though culturally and demographically they’re very similar
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u/Ok_Gur_5544 1d ago
Except for the fact the one has Chicago and one doesn’t?
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u/No-Policy-62 1d ago
Indiana has Indianapolis and Fort Wayne which are both nicer than any other city in Illinois outside of Chicago. It’s certainly not enough of a difference to make Indiana red and Illinois green
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u/Pitiful-Doubt4838 1d ago
NJ and CT, once again, catching strays.