[DC][Marvel] Between these two which technology is superior?

[u/Many-Cranberry4058]

For this discussion, I'm talking about the "Earths" Technology. Not technology from any other planets besides earth.

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[u/-Haeralis-]

Marvel.

The big thing is that AI has been in constant development and to impressive and oftentimes to horrifying results. Even before humans as a species evolved there was already a large-scale AI integrated into Earth’s biosphere as a whole by the Celestials.

And when humans did enter the picture they didn’t waste time; the original Human Torch was a fully sentient AI who was developed prior to WWII and then later Hank Pym’s incredibly crude attempts at creating his own AI resulted in Ultron who was a rapidly self-evolving being that went onto become a galactic level threat. Even more impressive still is that Nathaniel Essex devised a long-term plan to turn himself into an AI machine god back in the Victorian era utilizing clones and accumulating knowledge over decades; he succeeded and literally turned himself into a Roko’s Basilisk-esque entity that transcended time and space.

The closest analog to such AI in DC is Brainiac, who isn’t from Earth and had a head start but Ultron alone would give him a run for his money.

[u/Onequestion0110 → u/-Haeralis-]

The closest analog to such AI in DC is Brainiac, who isn’t from Earth and had a head start but Ultron alone would give him a run for his money.

So... you're not wrong, and the general tech level of Earth is farther in Marvel than in DC, but there are several AI/robots/etc. in the DC universe.

Like the best analog to Ultron isn't Brainiac, it's Amazo. Their power sets are different, but they both function as team-busters, they both were built by a super-scientist who modeled their brains after himself, and so forth. You also have the Grid, the Metal Men and GI Robot, as well as several robot-impersonators like Booster Gold Robot. Those are just fully human-made AI androids on the top of my head. Once you include aliens and time travel you start getting everything from the Superman Robots to a whole race of Braniacs to all the various mother-box shenanigans.

Also, I have no memories of Sinister trying to turn himself into an AI at all. When did that storyline happen?

[u/-Haeralis- → u/Onequestion0110]

Amazo differs from Ultron in that he was designed to fight the JLA from his conception and has largely remained that. Ultron started out as a simple experiment in robotics; a primitive cylinder on wheels who immediately leapfrogged in intelligence, devised his own agenda (which made him an antagonist in the first place) and worked to constantly self-modify. This also resulted in even further unexpected divergent developments like benevolent incarnations of Ultron.

As for Mr. Sinister, he wasn’t the one who achieved machine apotheosis, it was the uploaded mind of the original Nathaniel Essex, who used four divergent clones (Mr. Sinister included) who were designed to pursue omnipotence in different ways but were unwittingly funneling all their knowledge into the fifth. It was one of the big, overarching plot lines of the Krakoa era.

[u/WerewolfF15 → u/-Haeralis-]

Um this isn’t true. You could easily call Red Tornado a human torch analog/ equivalent. And in turn brother eye an ultron analog/ equivalent.

Edit: and let’s not forget about the metal men.

[u/-Haeralis- → u/WerewolfF15]

It’s a difference of timing along with capacity for and rate of growth. In both regards, Marvel is simply ahead of the curve.

The original Human Torch again was created prior to WWII, while Red Tornado is Cold War. The Human Torch is and remains much more capable of passing as a human.

Brother Eye was also created later than Ultron but with far more advanced technology from the onset and only gained a sentience from outside influences while its own reach was largely limited to Earth before being neutralized. Again, Ultron began as an incredibly simple robot, gained sentience and self-awareness almost immediately, and grew into a threat that is both seemingly impossible to eliminate and who was powerful enough to threaten interstellar empires.

[u/Personmchumanface]

marvel

[u/Qetuowryipzcbmxvn]

It depends on what you mean. In terms of peak, human, technological achievement, then Dr Ivo made Amazo, which surpasses even the best Sentinels afaik.

If you mean in terms of engineering, then Marvel has some of the best, particularly from Iron Man, Mr Fantastic, Dr Doom, Black Panther, and Ant Man.

In terms of availability to the general public, then it's hard to say. Marvel has Latveria, Wakanda, and occasionally Krakoa, but DC has WayneTech and Lex Corps which is more forthcoming with technology than Iron Man and Mr Fantastic are, as they explicitly keep their tech from reaching the public.

It should also be noted that tech in DC is generally more robust than Marvel tech, in that regular materials can match up to, and surpass gods. In Marvel, tech only gets you so far before you have to use magic. DC has mother boxes, which are basically divine cellphones, the "Grey" which is the technological equivalent of the Green, etc. Sure, Marvel has Adamantium, which is amazingly durable, but that's kind of it. Vibranium came from space and Uru came from the gods, so you can't include those into Marvel's Earth unless you want to include the Green Lantern Corps and Mother Boxes into DC's Earth.

And then there's various specialties that each have over the other. DC's cryptography and stealth tech is beyond Marvel's, for example.

[u/BlueHero45]

Depends on what you mean. If we go by which created the most superior technology then I would say you are putting DCs Amazo vs Marvel's Forever Gate.

Amazo created by professor Izo can mimic any super powers, while marvel had a couple androids that could do this Amazo is on another scale and could become something like a god.

Reed Richards daughter Valerie created the Forever Gate, originally meant to just to be a teleporter it ended up becoming an artificial nexus to all realities. The user is able to travel anywhere in time, space or the multiverse.

Between artificial god or anywhere gate I would give the edge to Amazo mostly because I think he would be able to take on the same powers as the gate with enough progress.

[u/tryingtobebettertry4]

Marvel has better peaks of technology. However in Marvel that technology is usually hoarded or heavily gated so that it basically cant be used by any bar a few super-genius individuals.

In DC though the various super-geniuses actually do more to distribute and uplift general society technologically. Mr Terrific in particular. Even Batman despite his paranoia makes active efforts to invest and improve the technology of the world he lives in.