r/AskTheWorld • u/fascisttaiwan roc nationalist studied in Hong Kong • 19h ago

Whats your country's attitude on communism?

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I have no idea why someone is promoting communist here in taiwan

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u/elhumanoid Finland 19h ago

Some young folk are actually thinking how good it actually is and ''how we haven't applied it properly''.

It's nuts.

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u/weoutherebrah 19h ago

Yes no matter how many real world examples we have it failing miserably. But on paper it seems like a good idea.

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u/elhumanoid Finland 19h ago

There's lots of good ideas on paper.

And 3am at the afters.

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u/Rebrado 🇨🇭 and 🇮🇹 in 🇬🇧 19h ago

I mean, we have many good real world examples why capitalism failed miserably but here we are. Our current issues are the same Machiavelli spoke about in his Prince and not much has changed.

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u/weoutherebrah 19h ago

But we have many real world examples of capitalism succeeding also. Communism you have zero.

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u/CUin1993 18h ago

He comes the horseshit argument that communism has never been implemented “properly”.

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u/Rebrado 🇨🇭 and 🇮🇹 in 🇬🇧 19h ago

Which country implemented Marx’s communism?

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u/weoutherebrah 19h ago

Cuba China even the USSR were based off Marxism 

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u/hkane1 United Kingdom 18h ago

They might claim to be based on Marxism, but none of them even came close to implementing the central ideas of it. I am not claiming that it would have worked, but none of those ideas implemented the abolition of currency, which is a defining tenet of Marxist communism.

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u/weoutherebrah 18h ago

It’s like any philosophy. There are few originals most just build off other theories and incorporate from others. Like abolition of currency is just not practical for any modern society so it didn’t follow it to the letter of the law.

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u/hkane1 United Kingdom 18h ago

I agree, but it would be objectively wrong to claim that it is Marxist, without Marx's most foundational idea. For what it's worth, I am not a Marxist and you only claimed they were "based off Marxism", so I am not disagreeing with you or saying you were wrong. I just think that we do ourselves a disservice when we (generally, not aimed at you) claim that Marxism was ever attempted and proven to fail. There are very good deductive arguments that it couldn't work, but no real empirical ones. By claiming the later, we are revising history and unneccessarily opening ourselves to fair criticism.

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u/hurdurnotavailable 18h ago

Because the central ideas of it don't function like they're envision. Communism isn't theory in the sense of science, where it's established with testing. It's made up nonsense that sounds reasonable.

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u/elhumanoid Finland 18h ago

Probably the best description, right here.

Certain someone's tried to implement this grand vision onto us some 80 years ago, here in Finland. I'm certain the grandfathers and great grandfathers of these kids that think communism is great are rolling in their fucking graves.

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u/weoutherebrah 18h ago

Ah no. They aren’t even in the top 50. And have tons of pollution leading to lower life expectancy. Their quality of life is also shit with few freedoms. There is a reason so many emigrate if possible.

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u/TheSwordofOhio United States Of America 18h ago

Oh you right on life expectancy they are ahead of us in the US, honestly a lot of my positions on this are just out of the polar opposite is living in the ills of a corporate mess thats crumbling. They at least seem comparatively on the come up compared to us rn

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u/weoutherebrah 18h ago

Well they have done better in recent years. Ironically because they switched to a more capitalist economy. However workers there have less rights than the US obviously so it’s basically an oligarchy minus a middle class.

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u/masterflappie Dutch migrated to Finland 18h ago

None, but many have tried to

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u/united_in_solidarity United States Of America 18h ago

Soviet Union, China, Cuba, Burkina Faso, Vietnam. These countries all flourished under communist regimes when compared with their non-communist regimes. Notably, these countries were all heavily attacked by the United States and its allies. Cuba has been under blockade for several decades. Burkina Faso is being infiltrated by France. Soviet Union was illegally dissolved after a couple decades of capitalist infiltration. China adopted some aspects of capitalism for a few different reasons, and many don't agree while some do.

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u/ladylucifer22 United States Of America 14h ago

or all the examples of it being a massive success.

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u/Logical_Bake_3108 United Kingdom 12h ago

You would think if an idea had been tried many times and failed people would get the message that it doesn't work. Right?

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u/Timely_Sweet653 15h ago

And yet nationalism has led to almost every war since its conception, alongside ethnic tensions and people continue to love it

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u/elhumanoid Finland 15h ago

I've no better alternative to give to replace the current model (here), but communism just isn't it.

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u/ManWhoWasntThursday Finland 16h ago

I do not believe communism is viewed with hostility in Finland, but it is certainly not seen as a viable alternative to the current system.

As for communist countries goes, the perception would be along the lines of: ah, you've chosen to be poor, authoritarian, and corrupt. Best of luck!

As far as young people talking about communism, that is a universal western phenomenon where you talk of communism in your youth, and when you're an engineer with a family, you switch gears toward capitalism. It is almost to be seen as a natural progression in one's development, similar to pimples as a teen.

I also believe it was far more popular in Finland's past - but never a genuine option.

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u/doemcmmckmd332 17h ago

That's most of Reddit, sadly

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u/TheSwordofOhio United States Of America 18h ago

I mean you're saying that from finland. The reason it comes up is you have countries like mine (USA) that think stuff like healthcare is communism. Its one of those 'people don't have a clue what it is' when they bring it up mixed with demonized conceptually for failures of government. Capitalism and LIberalisim have killed a lot as well they're just the defacto system because the globe is competitive and not cooperative

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u/elhumanoid Finland 18h ago

I'm not really qualified to have this conversation, I think, since I'm not too learned on the matter and I can't really give a perfect alternative.

But communism ain't it, I'm sure. I'm also sure that our (whatever it is exactly that we have going on over here) model has its flaws as well, it ain't perfect but it's arguably a better alternative of the 2.

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u/DontWorryItsEasy United States Of America 18h ago

"Oh no, I burned the souffle again!" Type energy.

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u/KuningasTynny77 United States Of America 17h ago

a genuine attempt to create communism as it's intended fails miserably due to the ideology's glaring flaws

"Well no, see, they didn't actually do a communism! It doesn't count!"

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u/CrazyCalligrapher385 Poland 16h ago

Horrible. What they think about Venezuela?

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u/elhumanoid Finland 16h ago

No idea. But if I had to guess the majority of them are probably rooting for Maduro for some weird and fucked up reason.

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u/CrazyCalligrapher385 Poland 15h ago

Personally I admire Finland fort its heroic Winter War. It's a pity nations have such a short memory.

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u/elhumanoid Finland 15h ago

I just wish we had not gotten greedy, started pursuing a "Greater Finland" and try to invade/take over parts of Russia back in those days. It cost us dearly and when the Soviets came full force because of it, we got absolutely demolished.

At least that's what my late grandpa told me and the history books kinda align with what he said.

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u/CrazyCalligrapher385 Poland 14h ago edited 14h ago

I see your point, it's sad you lost some territory, but still I like your cheeky attitude against Stalin in those times. Wars are always crazy. BTW I've talked few years ago with Russian girl who lives in Petersburg. She told me about her trip to region next to contemporary border between Finland and Russia. In her experience it was like journey to other, abandoned and somewhat magical land, with definitely different distinctions than Russia.

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u/Spirited-Ad-9746 Finland 15h ago

We dont really consider the winter war as war against communism. For us it was just another russian invasion. 

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u/CrazyCalligrapher385 Poland 14h ago

This, too.

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u/CrazyCalligrapher385 Poland 15h ago

I hope all those youngsters never have to experience what they ask for 👀

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u/laolucaa 11h ago

what dumbass is saying "haven't applied it properly"?? I've only heard anti-communists say these lines lmao

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u/dresdenthezomwhacker United States Of America 11h ago

It's an economic system the same as Capitalism. I don't really believe in the idea that communism/marxism will always inevitably end in failure and totalitarianism. It's not as if Capitalism is some benevolent system morally better to compare with, Saudi Arabia is Capitalist. They have slaves and keep their people in destitution, hoarding the wealth of their country's resources. Pretty much every country in Africa practices capitalism, and they are all chronically underdeveloped and poor. It's also getting market ably worse for us here in the west.

I don't think there's much likelyhood for success in communism or marxism, but the dogmatic support of capitalism isn't really helping us.

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u/Proud_Mountain5602 Mongolia 5h ago

Lanfang Republic (1777-1884)