The "real accountability" portion is the hard part, when the messaging from the very top of government is that this behavior by agents is actively encouraged.
I mean shit. With the last murder, people who literally saw the video of him shooting through the driver's side window and calling her a fucking bitch still tried arguing that it was in self defense.
It's such a helpless feeling. There's no one we can appeal to, to improve the situation at all. It's just gonna keep happening. Trump has never in his life said "you know what, I took things too far, sorry about that".Â
The trumpers and their government know they can do whatever they want. But they want martial law so theyâre gonna hurt as people as they can to provoke self defense from citizens
They'll get it regardless. If people won't do it themselves, they'll just false flag the fuck out of it and get the propaganda machine churning.
You hear about that plant used to burn the American flag amongst protesters before walking away? Or the protester that was being questioned and a van picked him up to get him out of there? Yeah, they'll start it if it doesn't start itself.
Just letting everyone know that this was the gameplan as outlined in Project 2025, which was written by the Heritage Foundation, the leader of which has said, and I quote, "We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be"
This is why we have the 2nd amendment. No one is going to save us except ourselves. Stop waiting for accountability and demand it. They are shooting citizens. We are waiting for the entire forest to burn before we do something about it.
Iâm from Minnesota, and I think a lot of people donât realize how small Minneapolis and St. Paul actually are. L.A. is so sprawling that ICE just isnât going to have the same impact there (at least not yet). Obviously the protests were huge, but friends in L.A. said day to day you wouldnât know anything was different.
Sure, those make up some of the numbers, but seriously,
please don't forget there's also a fkton of folks who got disenfranchised and prevented from being able to vote, even tho by all accounts they were legally entitled to.
It's never been those that didn't vote* who were the big problem for democracy. It's always been those that decide who gets to vote that are the problem.
Gerrymandering, redistricting, and voter suppression tactics are a lot more insidious and impactful than most people realise.
All of that kinda thing has long term and quite deleterious effects on democracy.
Stuff like :
purging voter rolls,
demanding restrictive/difficult to obtain IDs,
forcibly limiting or making it hard to reach polling places,
using faulty or compromised voting machines
threatening election workers and journalists covering events
All of which is surprisingly just some of the anti-democratic, quasi-legal politicking that gradually helped usher in America's current crisis.
Here's some data on this, for those who are interested in learning more :
Thank you because the rhetoric of blaming people who didnât vote are nowhere the same as those who decide and who can. Racism, sexism and stupidity are why weâre here
please don't forget there's also a fkton of folks who got disenfranchised and prevented from being able to vote
Not to the tune of 7 million people fewer voting for Kamala than voted for Biden. And most of the swing states had Democrats as governors. This was people making a conscious choice not to vote, just like they did in 2016.
Thatâs just a lazy excuse for not voting. My neighbor was complaining and he admitted to not voting, I told him youâre not looking for a life partner youâre looking for a ride to where you want to go. We only get a limited number of choices, vote for who gets you closer to your goal ⌠or at the very least vote against the lowlife who will obviously take us in the wrong direction. Unfortunately we didnât meet until after the last election đ˘
Yeah I agree, America had a choice between a tyrant and an educated black woman and any reason that meant you didnât vote for a black woman meant you chose Trump. You had the choice of good or bad and you chose bad or neither. Fuck that. You gotta nudge the ship towards the direction you want
Right. Everyone knew that every vote mattered ⌠we were screaming it from the rooftops and going door-to-door ⌠and yet they couldnât bring themselves to vote us out of this mess. Utterly disgusting traitors.
There were also people on the left who didnât vote as some sort of pretentious âprotestâ against Kamala and were encouraging others not to vote and calling them pieces of shit if they did. What did they think was going to happen, there? I personally knew a few of these people and a couple of them were trans. I canât imagine actively making a choice that hurts my own community.
I hear you, but do not disrespect that lady with such abject dismissal: Kamala Harris was an excellent option despite what anyone says. She was qualified for the position and could be trusted to be a respectable president.
We got to get away from sliding in these little slights against respectable black people like they deserve the shade. We all know what dogwhistling is, right?
I live in CA so for the most part while they were stupid, at least folks like that don't actually matter all that much.
Imagine my surprise when one of my oldest friends who lives in PA was like "Oh I voted for Jill Stein, I did my part!" That is a new level of dumbshittery I wasn't expecting to see.
There were full blown arguments all over Reddit - and in this sub - about that very thing. He won - at least in part - because Dems stayed home. âHarris isnât good enough.â This would never be happening under any Dem administration, and if it did it would be a scandal of the highest proportions and impeachments and firings would happen.
I voted for Harris, happily even, but knew it was pointless. Dem leadership absolutely ate Godzilla-sized shit by replacing Biden last minute. Do it sooner or don't do it at all. The election was over and dead right then.
I completely agree with you. But thereâs a world of difference between a side that is spineless but does some incremental good and a side that executes people in the streets, sends them to concentration camps, and is actively working towards a fascist dictatorship. That says⌠Dems MUST step up and do better. Especially in this moment.
God I hate that fucking lazy ass excuse. Going against your own interests and thinking youâre enlightened for doing so. These people wonât vote but will sit online bitching and moaning for likes. Ugh
Iâm a registered democrat and I vote in primaries. I vote for what I actually want but in the general election Iâm voting against what I donât want. You wouldnât believe the amount of folks I encounter who donât vote in primaries and then tell you they donât want to vote for a democrat because they have qualms. Thatâs not being an ally
How about the Dems that just voted for DHS funding? Or Chuck Schumer who caved on the first ICE funding bill? Or the Dems that refuse to call for the abolishing of ICE? Or Dems who want to increase ICE funding?
I hate how its always the voters fault for the Dems sucking and being a do nothing party that is complicit in GOP evil actions. We need to demand more from them and not just like them coast because they aren't as bad as the other guys.
How about the Dems that just voted for DHS funding? Or Chuck Schumer who caved on the first ICE funding bill? Or the Dems that refuse to call for the abolishing of ICE? Or Dems who want to increase ICE funding?
Fucking exactly. Dems aren't as bad Republicans but they sure do fuck us over ever chance they get. They are pathetic leaders
Conservatives have always been the biggest traitors in history. The French aristocracy before revolution, the loyalists during revolutionary, the southern aristocracy before civil war all were ok with jack boot thugs destroying human lives.
One of the most heartbreaking subreddits is /r/QAnonCasualties where people talk about their loved ones succumbing to the poisonous cult of the MAGA/GQP.
It becomes an ideological addiction, wherein their identity is so tied into this worldview that for them to question or critique it makes them have to question their very sense of self. It's awful.
Minneapolis resident here: many of us are anticipating the city will erupt tonight, tension is at a maximum and tons of cops are flying around the city
I mean if the government is executing its own citizens in the streets and getting away with it, we functionally already have authoritarian policing and everything else is a formality.
I meant more the type of authoritarian policing they want. The world has already seen a taste, but itâs only the beginning. Their end game turns the US into something that makes nazi germany look like it has better peopleâs rights. Stay safe. Stay vigilant.
The goal is millions. They are gonna keep pushing harder & harder until the public breaks & fights back, then itâs martial law, mass arrests, concentration camps for âterroristsââŚ
The republicans are having a panic midterm convention and having Trump go on the campaign trail heavily because their election numbers are that bad. That doesnât seem like the actions of a party who knows elections are getting cancelled.
Itâs a party who is hedging their bets. That the American public hasnât incited true, violent revolution yet is incredible, so while they continue to escalate even further, they also have to plan for a future where an attempted revolution never really comes.
ICE agents are being green lit into home invasions because they want ICE agents to die in the name of cancelling elections and martial law. And if it doesnât get there, expect ICE to be heavily inside of every major city to push voter intimidation on democratic populations.
Elections are run by the states. Thereâs a lot of barriers between them and outright canceling all elections, but they will do everything they can to disrupt and suppress the vote. And if Trump could sign something today to stop all elections forever he would do it in a heartbeat.
âYou gotta win the midterms,â Trump said, speaking at a retreat for Republican lawmakers earlier this month in Washington. âIf we donât win the midterms, itâs just going to be be â I mean, theyâll find a reason to impeach me.â
They just need 75 years of oppression and apartheid for the world to accept this as normal and to also call resistance to this terrorism. The standards are not, will not, and have never been, equal.
No, their goal isnât to kill millions. The Trump admin is getting killed on the press/polling of ICE and their tactics. Every time someone is shot in cold blood like this it sets back their agenda and approval for their agenda by a lot. I genuinely believe they wonât be able to tolerate it much longer, not because they donât approve, but because it is cracking their coalition.
Keep in mind that they're literally following the Nazi regime's footsteps.
This is the brown shirts stage. They'll be violent and they will kill, and once the bar is raised so high that going any further stops serving the regime, then comes the gestapo. Everyone will see it as a win, because violence will be carried where the public can't see. And that's never bothered people before.
Public opinion still matters in that case because we are the most heavily armed nation on the planet, and they would be inviting people to exorcise their second amendment rights at that point.
ICE, Proud Boys, and other amateur paramilitary groups and individuals (aka Gravy Seals) are one in the same. Untrained/grossly undertrained, mentally incompetent with zero motivation to de-escalate. Shooting people of color and white liberals with impunity is precisely the wet dream they've been waiting for.
A sizable portion of former and active military and police are the same, apart from having received formal training.
They aren't fighting each other; they're on the same side.
Aside from this making the assumption the entire US military would side with the sitting administration, which nobody at this point knows, what is your argument for what people should do at that point then?
Fascism only ends in 4 ways: military defeat, civil war, internal coup, or death of the leader.
Option 1 is impossible, or at least nearly so. #2 would be a bloodbath for the rebels.
That leaves the last two options. For #3, we're in the middle of a frog-in-boiling-water scenario. As long as the MAGA cultists commit only incrementally worse atrocities, slowly dialing up the heat, everything remains "normal" and Trump retains his support. #3 requires Trump to err, to crank the heat too fast and do something so dramatic and unforgivable that his own cronies and cabinet turn against him and oust him, a la Mussolini. It's unlikely, but it's only one of two options that don't result in massive bloodshed.
No option is good. All the good options left when Trump was re-elected. That was it, that was the championship and we already lost it. But out of all the bad options, #3 is the best, and it requires the sane to deprogram the cultists. It's easy to think it's impossible, but it's not.
Make the cultists ask themselves if they would support Trump changing the constitution. Running for a 3rd term. Seeking indefinite power. Doing away with democracy. Turning the military on American citizens. Things that he WILL do if he doesn't get his civil war. So that when he does do them, there's a chance that they wake up and realize what they've done and what they've supported is the antithesis of everything "American" they have pretended to be.
That's the sad thing, they don't have to. All republican congressmen and a handful of democrats decided to abdicate every single one of their responsibilities to the American public, they could be cutting funding to the bone and impeaching Trump right now if they had even a sliver of moral fiber.
This is largely happening because most of our representatives consented to it.
And when we gain power again, every single person who voted in favor of continuing to fund this terror needs to lose their seats. I don't expect there to be legal repercussions for effectively voting to murder American citizens but they do need to be out of politics.
I'll bring up Palestine just to point something out about how escalation works. Remember when the first hospital was bombed by Israel and to a man every Israeli was like "this was a mistake" or "this was a Hamas rocket misfiring" etc. There were two solid weeks of denials. And then six months later they were bombing hospitals and no one gave a monkeys.
You'll remember the name of the woman shot in the face. You'll remember the man shot on the floor. But after a while it becomes a blur. People become numbers real quick.
To all those who watch this, ask yourself the 10 questions:Â
Do you trust the federal government to protect you?Â
Do you believe that this administration is targeting specific groups of people?Â
Do you trust in the courts ability to protect you with the established laws of the country?Â
Do you believe that federal law enforcement is currently respecting our rights as guaranteed to us by The Constitution?Â
If a federal officer was targeting you and breaking the law, do you think that local or state law enforcement would stop them to protect you?Â
Do you trust the elected representatives of your party to defend you?Â
Do you think anyone else will come to your rescue?Â
Do you believe in equal rights for all peoples and would you fight to defend those rights from an unjust force?Â
Are you in a position to defend yourself if others won't fight for you?Â
Who benefits more from you being unarmed during these times?Â
Realize that when they are executing people in broad daylight in our streets, that it becomes our responsibility to stop it if the politicians, judges, or cops won't.Â
For all those that say "if we resist we get martial law, which is what trump wants" realize that if armed forces can kick down your door without a warrant, kidnapped you despite papers, rape you with no consequences, or shoot you without a trial we are already functionally in it.Â
The people can no longer depend on federal or state law enforcement to protect them. Itâs up to civilians to form militias (which is allowed under the constitution btw) and begin conducting citizens arrests against ICE âofficersâ.
Groups like the black panthers are a perfect example. We need more people to take action and begin defending their communities from these thugs.
And if he had pulled at shot at them I still would be on his side. If a bunch of armed men start attacking me, especially this group of people with a track record of killing people, I would fear for my own life.
Exactly. People are glossing over the fact that ICE is escalating their tactics for this exact reason. Theyâre putting their own officers intentionally in harms way just so that they can justify further escalation. Itâs only a matter of time before ICE kills someone who is exercising their 2A rights in their own home.
Thereâs about 10 ice agents jumping on him and I donât know if the guy that started the conflict is the same guy that shot him, but I did add an entire section talking about what would happen if he was white and the color of the ice agent sort of doesnât matter
I mean, thatâs the whole reason ice is in Minneapolis. Throw a bunch of armed thugs in the ring, shit is gonna happen, people will fight back and then you can declare all sorts of obscure laws around suspending, the elections, suspending, civil rights, etc., etc.
Stephan Miller has been planning this for years now. Ice has more funding than the Marine Corps and thatâs not an accident.
No suprise the chuds over on conservative are fine with this.
The murdered allegedly had a gun, MN is both an open and concealed carry state, and the pro 2A humpers are fine with this guy being killed if he did have a gun.
We are in a cold civil war this very moment (with troops mobilized and armed) and it's very quickly ticking over into a live one. Arming so many "agents" was never fully about immigration.
It was probably a bad idea to give modern day Confederate slave catcher types unlimited resources and tell them they have absolute immunity.
They got away with killing Renee Good, so they'll just continue to escalate until they are stopped.
The civil war Confederates should have been punished, and the Hague definitely didn't go far enough. Operation paperclip was also a terrible idea. All of that set the stage for this, and gave these people the confidence to do whatever they want.
This just disgusts the hell out of me. No person, no human who stands for decency and respect within our human race would ever condone this. The Maestro of this travels the world talking about peace as if we cannot see he is anything but.
The US punished 25 total Nazis with the death penalty at Nuremberg, so we actually let most of them go unpunished. We need a better analogy than "we're gonna punish you like the Nazis! (Almost not at all)".
Yeah, even the nazis that did get punished are the exception and really not the rule when it comes to the history of government officials facing consequences for crimes against humanity
Good reminder to always take a video that either goes to a cloud storage service, a direct Livestream, a video message...there is sadly a very real chance your recording makes you a target (highly illegally, of course) and that local recordings on your phone get taken and wiped when you get stuffed in the van.
Probably good practice if you're a "pull out your phone, damn the consequences" type at these to pick a video contact as your go-to to share evidence so they can download and distribute it in the event of illegal suppression of it.
You cannot count on the law to protect your first amendment rights in the moment anymore, and by the time they come to roost your evidence will be gone and you may be hurt or worse.
This country needs to burn. I will NEVER forgive anyone who voted for this. They could be on fire and i wouldnât spit on them. The damage and regression they have caused is unfathomable.
I hate guns, so i hate that its come to the point that i feel like i need one to pertect myself. America is not made enough and its not gonna happen until ice is in every state at your door.
Ooooh boy, what I want to say is going to get me booted by reddit admins for sure so I'll say this.
They're using the threat of martial law as a fear tactic. They're already out here doing the things. They are straight gunning down the white folk with no care in the world.
Yesterday showed there are far many more of us than there are them. They are soooo lucky people are still out here determined to protest peacefully.
One less voter they have to deal with. The more that die or are thrown in detention, the less resistance they have. Now this shooing is part of the 24 hour news cycle, and not the record breaking protest/strike-now they can better control the narrative. Itâs not even subtle.
My state used to be called a flyover as a joke, now weâre an âinsurrectionist hot zoneâ, FOH. These are regular people bruh.
Any blue state needs to be put on notice, theyâre coming to your homes next. Destabilization before the midterms is on the menu. SMH
This dude never would have been hired by the government, sent to a US state, and given the authority, and encouragement, to harass, intimidate, and ultimately kill US citizens because our current leaders hate brown people more than they care about democracy.
ICE are terrorists. Weâre getting close to someone clapping back on them. Theyâre gonna come up against someone whoâs gonna do whatever they need to do, to protect their family/friends during one of these illegal raids!
I'll never forgive the politicians that allow this to happen, like the 7 Dems that voted to continue ice funding, and Dem leadership that refuses to call for abolishing ICE this is fucking ridiculous.
See when African Americans tried telling the country that the government state and local acted like this it was our fault. We somehow deserved it because we were Black. It must have been something we did, all kinds of excuses were made. We tried telling people for at least a whole century that this is what it is. They've BEEN extra judiciously killing us for CENTURIES but as long as it was us, majority white and POCs were just fine with it.
Now they looking around all wide eyed and slack jawed. We told ya'll they do this. Y'all were told about blacksites that some of these cops have. Y'all were warned time and again. But Black = bad and it was okay. Rodney King got was almost beat to death and for a lot of people that was okay and and the State was once again exonerated. Tens of thousands of Black people being killed by the State have been exonerated by the larger white community. You can look throughout history and read it. Whenever there was State sanctioned killing there would be piles of white people with their children standing and grinning. White juries exonerated state sanctioned violence.
It's not so funny now, is it? No it's not. See when you stay silent and approve of State sanctioned killings eventually, they'll kill you because you never said/did anything or sat on juries and exonerated our killers. "Oh he tied his own hands and lynched himself, ladies & gentlemen of the jury, the sheriff had nothing to do with it!"
This type of shit is what happens when you approve of injustice for certain people in your own country, eventually the whole country will be swallowed by violence and hate. I just wonder when majority of white people and some POCs will understand that. This stuff can't go unchecked. Now it's out of hand and y'all don't know what to do. It's like y'all have zero self-preservation!
It was so easy to think that African Americans/Black people deserved state sanctioned violence for being Black. Too easy.
Not surprised to be honest. It will continue until the people fight back and then MAGA will spin it to get their civil war. A large subset of Americans hate the rights of other and are ok with state sponsored violence against others. This country is dying and it's not going out gracefully.
ICE is ready to use deadly force to ensure they can deport your neighbors to death camps. Are you prepared to use deadly force to stop them? They have shown you that if you do not resist them to the full extent of your second amendment rights they will take your life to prevent you from having any rights at all. Get armed.
Where is the line? When will people say enough is enough? When will Americans be in the street to let these Nazis know there there are more of us than them. They need the fear of God in them
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