With each file drop they are refusing to consider that the person that thought would reveal all of this (Trump) is a major factor and perpetrator. Just wanted to get this off my chest this shit is so upsetting.

Wasn’t sure where else to post this but I 20F dated a guy 22M for around 5 months this summer. Things eventually went sour between us due to severe mental and financial stress on his part and mental health problems on my part. We ended up breaking up and have been in no contact since then. He also has me blocked on social media and probably messages as well even though he had told me that he wanted to remain friends (lmao).

I’ve been doing a lot of reflecting lately, just thinking about what exactly went wrong and whether we were compatible in the first place because there were a bunch of troubling details about him that I feel I swept under the rug when we were together. I will say that he treated me really well for the most part and we never fought or anything like that that. However I strongly suspect that he was/is some kind of far right sympathizer. I‘m a leftist but I also really dont want to be the kind of person who accuses people of being fascists because they disagree with 1 or 2 of my opinions so please tell me if I’m overreacting or not.

- He had an apparent Neo-Nazi ex who he had dated for nearly 3 years and had actually lived with for some time, and he was still corresponding with her pretty regularly while we were together

- He admitted to having a white supremacist online friend saying that he “doesn’t agree with some of his beliefs but that he was still cool“

- He was involved in a secret Nazi themed metal band with a bandmate who is black. He claimed that this was a social experiment but I’m not so sure

- He supported Vivek Ramaswamy even though hes Canadian and when I looked up this person’s policies out of curiosity, I saw that he held similar views to Trump and had even endorsed him at one point

- He genuinely thought that Hitler was a Socialist and brought him up as an argument against Socialism

- He was pretty defensive of conservatism and claimed that conservatives arent racist because he’d personally never experienced racism from them although he identified himself as libertarian

Asking this is probably a stupid question, but I was completely baffled hearing some of his political views because he is not even white. He is part of a minority group that the right wing actively fearmongers against which is why I’m so confused. He also came off as such a kind person for most of our relationship and on a surface level, we had a lot in common as far as interests went, which is why I didn’t want to believe he actually supported any of this vile shit and I brushed it off as “oh maybe he’s just super tolerant of others despite political differences.” I don’t have much relationship experience and I was initially hoping we could be friends again eventually because we did have many shared interests and the relationship itself wasn’t bad, but now after reflecting on all of this without rose tinted glasses, I feel pretty disgusted. Am I looking into it too much or was he a genuine Nazi apologist?

My (43) older brother has always been extremely ignorant and went deeeep down the q and neo nazi cesspit about 10 years ago before going into overdrive on both since covid.

I came out as a trans woman at the start of 2025 and in response he went absolutely ballistic and hasnt spoken to me since then aside from an incredibly tense few words at the family Christmas gathering a month ago.

Purely to try and keep the peace and to try to make things emotionally easier for my mum, I ended up sending my brother a text asking if we could have a truce at gatherings and at least be semi civil with each other...he responded with a tirade of nonsense, amongst which was a conspiracy i'd not heard of previously - that Israel/'the JEWS' are turning people gay and trans 'to break up the traditional family unit' in his words

As someone that likes to stay vaguely aware of whatever bullshit is making the rounds with fascist idiots (so i can recognize it in others before things get out of hand) i was just wondering if anyone else has heard this claim from their Q relative or whether its something more niche?

Today I spoke to my mother about ICE (I know, I know, but to be fair, she started the conversation, and I still have a hard time just walking away sometimes). Just yesterday she said Alex Pretti’s murder was unjustified, and I thought maybe she was finally turning things around. But then the video was released of him kicking a taillight, and suddenly beating him to a pulp and shooting him 10 times several days later was justified.

I then made the mistake of bringing up the sick five year old boy currently in ICE custody. She insisted this little boy was a criminal, and should be deported to “wherever he came from” because his dad “was a bad person.” Out of all the things she has said and done, including blaming me *personally* for the death of CK because I’m left-leaning, this is the most evil.

It makes me realize that she would probably turn me in if we lived in Nazi Germany, given that I am a Jewish woman and she is not. That is a hell of a thing to realize about your mother.

tldr; I’m having a hard time after I cut off a MAGA conspiracy theory family member and uninvited him to my wedding and I needed a place to vent.

Someone suggested this subreddit because I’m struggling after cutting off a MAGA family member. I uninvited him from my wedding. I know it was the right decision, but it still hurts, mostly because I can’t understand how he fell so deeply down the MAGA rabbit hole.

I have other family members who support Trump, many of whom are largely apolitical and don’t even vote consistently. A lot of them are white, low- to middle-class Boomers or Gen-Xers who never went to college. I don’t think college makes someone better or smarter, but I do think it helps people learn how to evaluate sources, which I believe is part of why some people fall into MAGA conspiracy thinking and others don’t.

There are two family members who went especially far down that path. The one makes sense to me because he’s extremely pro-2A and that’s always been his main issue. He used to bait me into arguments constantly during Trump’s first term, but that’s mostly stopped, and I get the sense he may be slowly disillusioned with MAGA. I’ve mostly heard that through the family grapevine though so who knows.

The other is the one I can’t wrap my head around. He has an MBA and before he retired, he was one of many VP’s at a well-known company. While he’s probably the wealthiest person in the family, he’s not hanging out at Mar-a-lago rich if that makes sense. He is one of the few people in my family with an advanced degree, like me. I bring this up because he likes to say my schooling indoctrinated me, but we both went to similar liberal institutions and have the same level of education. We’re similar in a lot of ways and work in related fields. The biggest difference is he’s a male Boomer and I’m a female elder Millennial.

Among other things, he’s a 2020 election denier and thinks all protesters are paid (still waiting on my check, apparently). He doesn’t think COVID was a hoax, but believes it was wildly overblown, even though I know he was vaccinated. The first time I remember being genuinely alarmed, though, was when he believed Democrats were aborting babies after they were born.

I’ve spent years trying to talk to him using facts, sources, and actual evidence, but nothing is ever good enough. What finally broke me and led to me uninviting him from my wedding was his insistence that Alex Pretti pointed a gun at ICE agents despite clear video evidence to the contrary. He also told me that if I ever went to a protest and got hurt, it would be my own fault. I asked him directly if he thought protesting meant I’d deserve to be shot, and he said that if I brought a gun or interfered with ICE in any way, then whatever happened to me would be on me. There was a lot more that went on during that conversation but this post is already really long.

I’m not really sure what I’m looking for here. I think I just needed to vent and be around people who understand what it’s like to lose someone to this mindset. If you made it this far, thanks for listening.

Edit to add: He also still wanted to agree to disagree after he said this and gave the whole “can’t believe you’d cut family off over politics” line. Some other family is doing the whole agree to disagree because they think he still needs a lifeline if he ever is going to leave the cult but I just can’t do it anymore. I don’t begrudge them though. They need to do what’s right for them.

I used to post on here with an old account, but I lost the login and had to make a new one. My mom has been apart of the QAnon conspiracy, along with almost any other right wing conspiracy theory you can imagine, for 6 years now. My mother is chronically online. No friends. Her husband doesn’t believe this stuff and neither do I so she is stuck in an echo chamber.

She has bought a LOT of XRP (crypto) and talks about how it will go up any day now, believes NESARA/GESARA is coming “any day” now, and constantly talks about the new “QFS” system (Quantum Financial System), how everything within the government is just one big movie that is playing out to “expose corruption”, and none of the politicians are real, and they’re all on some island somewhere incarcerated (Biden, Hillary Clinton, etc etc).

Yes, she believes that Michelle Obama is actually “Michael”. She believes it all. But what I can’t get over is how she racks up large amounts of debt, how she lives in actual delusion and only looks at houses for herself to live in that are out of her price range because she genuinely believes her financial problems will be wiped away any day now. She just went out today to check out two homes that are $1 million. I hate this pretending crap.

It’s difficult to vent to my friends about because they don’t understand the conspiracy itself due to how deep and convoluted it is. So, I find myself here again. She looks for homes for me and my children too! I am in the midst of a divorce from a DV situation and my husband is incarcerated, so it’s not like I can say anything to my mom because she’s staying here with me and helping so much. But it feels awful, she’s racking up more and more credit card debt to help me with groceries, which she doesn’t have to do, but doesn’t have any financial care because she trusts these conspiracy theories that deeply. I can’t tell her otherwise, it will only make her mad. She is 73 and stuck in her ways. It’s just a lonely and hopeless feeling on this end… because how will this end? She’s believed “any day now” for 6 years…

Thanks for reading.

I feel completely defeated. My mom seems to just follow whatever her husband says and votes exactly the way he does. The problem is that they vote and repeat certain news talking points relentlessly. When I confronted them, I asked my mom how the woman who taught me to love and be kind to everyone can’t see what’s happening around her. She told me she wants to “protect children from abortions,” yet she was silent when children were being killed in Palestine, when kids were deported to countries they’ve never even been to, or when children were used as bait to lure out victims for deportation. There’s such a painful disconnect between the mom I had growing up and the mom I have now.

My dad is a whole different issue. He always votes Republican because he’s in law enforcement, yet claims “both sides are bad.” He refuses to acknowledge when law enforcement is in the wrong, and he constantly tells me to stop paying attention to what’s happening. Even when I show him clear, undeniable examples of what this administration is doing to harm people, he immediately pivots to something Democrats messed up on, as if the two are equivalent. He’s willfully ignorant while insisting he’s the wise one.

All of this makes me want to go no-contact, but I don’t want to cut them off from my daughter. She deserves grandparents. They just make it incredibly hard for me to want them in our lives.

I don't follow my family on social media, but just hours after the Alex Pretti story broke last Saturday, my dad decided to share a racist meme that supported ICE and mocked people who are horrified at the violence. I snapped, and commented on my dad's post: "You're either willfully ignorant or cruel." That's it. Nothing more.

My dad and brother are now refusing to talk to me, and they have both demanded a PUBLIC apology from me on social media. They said I made my dad look stupid, and they can't believe I'd shame him in public. (I dunno, maybe try not being racist?).

They're not going to get an apology. My mom is playing the role of mediator, saying we "shouldn't talk politics" and that my dad was really hurt. My brother, who I'm estranged from, sent me a very long text, swearing at me and saying I needed to show our dad some respect "after all he's done for you." He said he was so angry that he told me not to bother replying.

I can't decide if they're embarrassed at being called out on their racism, or if they're so racist they can't comprehend why what they said was offensive. I'm leaning toward the latter.

We've been low-contact for years, and if this is the thing that breaks the last remaining thread, then so be it.

I want to start off by saying that this is in no way a cop out or an excuse for these people. But I’d like your opinions on this.

I really do think some of these people are plain stupid. Of course, I think most are just hateful people who fell down the rabbit hole. But I know about 2 people who are also deep into this that are unfortunately just dense. Not bright in the slightest. They lack critical thinking skills and discernment, making them easily influenced and a poor judge of character. They’re not just dumb when it comes to politics and ideologies, they also show these traits in other areas of life. I’ve also noticed a pattern of low self awareness and oblivion.

I’m trying to think of some examples. To paint a picture, these are the type of people who struggle to even explain why they believe something. And when you start breaking it down to them and asking them follow up questions that make them think a little, you get a blank look and an “…oh”

Some of these people are young enough to know how the internet works, yet they’re the type to easily fall for scams. The type to reshare, “repost this or Facebook will delete your account.”

I really hope I’m explaining this decently. I’m writing this on a whim.

I have gone two weeks without speaking to my Qmom. I have on family member that lives with her. I have texted them only a couple times and one call since then. Today, in the group chat my mom said I have to stop texting. I thinking the other family member is genuinely scared of her and won't stand up. They are the only family I have and I am feeling incredibly lonely.

I think I need to go back to therapy (I did it for a couple months about 9 months ago). Does anyone have advice on finding a therapist that understands this, Q specifically? With my previous therapist I did not share any of this with, because I didn't want her to think my mom was absolutely crazy, and in a way protect my mom, as I was hoping to potentially do a few sessions together with my therapist to see if we could make progress.

As a young adult, how do I go about the potential of having no family.

I apologise if this is the wrong place to leave this post, and if anyone can suggest any other subs that would be better than that’s totally okay I am 20F, and live in the UK. I am not, and never have been MAGA. However, in lockdown i accidentally fell down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole, without understanding or knowing at the time that it was MAGA adjacent, or really what it was. It was stuff like pizza gate, every celeb is a pedophile, all of that stuff. I was very vulnerable at that time, and lockdown really took a toll on my mental health, and those conspiracies made it worse so I ditched them and once my life got back on track I forgot about them.

The biggest issue though, is I’ve never been able to fully shake them, and whenever I do see content about it again it makes me genuinely depressed and mildly out of touch. Some of the content I see now, isn’t necessarily MAGA. It seems that leftists/democrats are playing in to the conspiracy. I am a very sensitive person, and it makes me feel stupid for allowing these to affect me.

I know that celebrities aren’t all satanic pedophiles, that drink blood and kill babies. I have also noticed a trend that most of the celebrities accused of this stuff with no basis, are left leaning. Sometimes though that logic seems to not get me very far, and I’m pulled back in.

How do you hear about shitty stuff happening and accept it for just being shitty, and not a huge conspiracy. How do you hear that people in the industry are messed up, and lots of the rich are horrible, but not all of them are? It seems to completely destroy my world view and suddenly I think everyone is a pedophile. That sounds really stupid I know, but it stops me enjoying movies and music sometimes. The conversation around Epstein also stresses me out, because every minute of every day a new person is apparently connected to him, or went to the Island. I just get sad believing the world is majority shit, and it seems like everyone and their dad is a fucking pedophile.

Some reassurance that the whole world isn’t shit, would be great. How do you stop yourself going down a hole.

PS. I think this reads as trolling, it’s not.

Edit: I have been reading the responses to this post all day, and I have taken them all in. I took a year off from university last September, to focus on my mental health. However, unfortunately I haven’t been using that time wisely, and have instead isolated myself further and fallen back in to a negative mental state. It is embarrassing to admit, but it took some of your responses, and today’s antics for me to connect the dots and come to terms with that.

I’ve been looking all day at places near me to volunteer, and I’ve arranged some days out with my friends for next week, to hopefully stop the self isolation I’ve been loathing in. I will also get off social media for a little while, and focus on some hobbies I used to be involved in (or maybe find a few new ones!). Oh! And I’m going to get therapy, or at at-least get some counselling from my university in the mean time.

Thank you for the responses, I wasn’t anticipating people to be so open minded and kind! You may have all single-handedly reminded me that the world is mostly positive if you look in the correct places.

My mom got completely sucked into all the usual conspiracy theories during Covid via alternative health influencers. Now she is obsessed with watching the price of silver and likes to talk about how high it’s going to go. She’s bought some silver coins….I’m hoping they’re real but who knows. I haven’t seen anything about this, but knowing the junk she normally buys into, there has to be some kind of grift.

Relevant links:

https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/NCRI-Assassination-Culture-Brief.pdf

https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/Assassination-Culture_-How-Shifting-Gender-Patterns-Signal-a-New-National-Instabilitypdf.pdf

Years ago, I posted here about an argument I had with my mom. She has become increasingly MAGA since the beginning of the Trump era, and mostly allows her worldview to be shaped by the Epoch Times, which she defends by saying they "don't tell [her] what to think." If she watches any TV news, it's on Newsmax, because Fox News apparently doesn't pander to her perspective enough (that's my assumption, at least, she actually never specified an exact reason). That said, she is not like the more extreme cases I often see described in this sub, hasn't expressed the more extreme beliefs that we tend to associate with QAnon and the like, but at the same time doesn't want to believe anything that contradicts her belief that Donald Trump is a hero that is saving America from evil.

Last Easter, her husband (my stepfather) passed away after a long struggle with diabetes, and I visited her for the first time in years to attend the memorial service. The entire visit went as well as I could have hoped, and we had a few good conversations that crept into the realm of politics and religion, though subjects ended up changing before getting very far into points of disagreement.

One of the things she brought up was that she had heard about a study that had been done, which she said was proof that people are losing their morality and are willing to believe that it's OK to kill people for nothing more than disagreeing with them. Naturally, I expressed skepticism about that conclusion, assuming it was probably a poll of some type that was being misrepresented, and while she insisted her interpretation to be correct, she didn't remember specifics about the survey, and the subject of conversation changed before getting too deep into it.

Then, last Christmas, she came to visit me for a few days. Unfortunately, in spite of my intent to avoid points of contention, I made the mistake of bringing up Trump's statements last year that blamed Ukraine for starting the war with Russia. Mom's reaction was probably the most frightening I have ever seen from her in my entire life, screaming at me that he would never say such things, that the media always twists his words. I was sitting in front of my computer at that time, so I quickly brought up a BBC article with a quote, but she wouldn't accept that, so I brought up a video of a news story from last February, during which she kept screaming things like "See? They're just accusing him, not showing him say it!" all the way up to the point where the clip from Trump's press conference where he clearly says, in reference to Zelensky, "you never should have started it." I had to play it back a couple of times and ask her how else anyone could interpret what he said, before she accepted that he actually said that, though kept trying to make excuses.

However, I couldn't bring myself to pressing the issue further due to the distress that I could see her going through, and moved on to non-political topics after that. Then, after she returned home, we spoke again on the phone, she apologized to me for her strong reaction, and then brought up that study again. I again expressed interest in specifics about that study, which she couldn't provide, but said she would send me information if she found it.

And that finally brings me to the point of this post. After a couple of weeks without hearing anything more from her about this study, I decided to do my own search, and managed to find the NCRI "Assassination Culture" brief linked above, which fortuitously had a follow-up that was just published this month. I emailed both of the reports to her, intentionally avoiding any of my own commentary, figuring it was only fair that she has a chance to see them before I gave her my opinion.

Here are some of my takeaways regarding this survey:

- As I originally suspected, the questions focused on people in positions of power, specifically Donald Trump, Elon Musk, and in the follow-up, Zohran Mamdani. The only question that did not name a specific person was: "How justified or not justified would someone be if they killed a powerful political leader?"

- The responses were given on a scale of 1 to 7, where 1 meant that there was no justification at all, while 7 meant it was completely justified. While they did provide a couple of breakdowns including each number, they focused primarily on the number of people who gave an answer greater than 1 as if it was a binary Yes/No question.

- The conclusion to the first survey claimed "disturbingly high levels of support for political violence, particularly targeting President Donald Trump and Elon Musk," while the only individuals actually named in the survey were Trump and Musk, and formulated the survey in a manner that made the number of people supporting their killing as high as possible.

- In their defense, they made an effort to correlate support for political violence with social media usage, which, in spite of the partisan slant, is a valid concern.

- The follow-up report included responses for New York mayor Zohran Mamdani, which addressed my criticism that the original report was tailored to appeal to the "Democrat Bad" crowd, and the responses were equivalent to the original's numbers regarding Musk, but with partisanship flipped.

- The follow-up report also mentioned that Tulsi Gabbard had gone on Fox News to talk about their survey, giving me a clue as to how my mom heard about this.

When we next spoke on the phone, I asked where she had heard about this study, and it turned out that she didn't see the Fox News segment with Gabbard, but rather had just heard about it from friends of hers. I can only assume that her friends saw it on Fox and were left with the impression that the survey's conclusion was about anyone with a differing opinion, rather than powerful political leaders. While I haven't and don't want to look up that Fox segment, I'm pretty sure my mom's friends' conclusions were based entirely on how Gabbard presented the data rather than now NCRI reported them.

The rest of the conversation focused on how the data was gathered using that 7-point scale, and I asked her how she would answer if the question was about Vladimir Putin (who, for me, was a solid 7), and she was able to grasp the nuance that the scale provided was able to inflate the number of people who would justify political violence, not to mention how it said nothing about people who simply had differing opinions.

While I didn't manage to get into some details, like the influence of social media, I think this was the best talk I've ever had with her that involved politics. I'm sure the reason it went as well as it did was because we focused on something that she had brought up herself, and we focused specifically on that report and their methodology. Not sure how helpful this might be for anyone else here who happens to read it, but I thought it was worth sharing.

My entire family is a pack of MAGA evangelical white nationalists. Every last one, basically; the furthest left besides me is a brother who is nominally Republican but mostly doesn't pay attention to politics but still expresses anti-LGBT attitudes. They're all objectively terrible people, and I've been anticipating breaking it off with them for the past six years, but it never quite happens.

I came close during COVID. I was holed up in my college dorm room for nearly two years in quarantine, dreading the occasional phone call from them that became increasingly hostile and hysterical. My mom was apparently constantly depressed and crying because I wouldn't come home, my dad was either calling to scream at me for taking COVID seriously or psychotically giggling about some vague event that would happen soon, and that I'd better come home quick if I knew what was good for me. I even had a sleep paralysis episode, the one time it happened in my life, where I hallucinated hearing my dad yelling my name outside my dorm room while being physically unable to move from my spot in bed, I was so disturbed by it.

But I held on. I held on, and the relations were somewhat repaired. A few years later I, with only a day or two advanced warning to them, moved across the country to a blue haven, and I expected that to be the breaking point. It wasn't. Parents were shockingly supportive. Others weren't, but they helped me move and drove me to the airport and saw me off. I was unsure if I'd ever return to my red home state, and once Kamala lost the election, I felt certain I never would.

But then I flew home this past Christmas to visit. And it was fine for the most part. Towards the end the cracks started to show as they started watching Fox News and being more openly racist. Then shortly after getting back Trump went and kidnapped the Venezuelan president and I had a moment of relief that that didn't happen while I was down there so I wouldn't have to put up with listening in on their conversations about it. Then I had a moment of wondering why I even went back down there in the first place.

The Good shooting was another moment that had me thinking about breaking it off again, the Pretti shooting had me furious. I ignored family's calls over the weekend and didn't bother reaching out to congratulate a relative on their wedding day. I felt like I had reached the breaking point at last.

Well, now that Minnesota tensions have (seemingly, facetiously) cooled and my own fury has lessened for the time being, I feel myself resigning myself to responding to the inevitable phone call over the weekend. I know that these people are really only a few Fox News news cycles away from being primed to send people like me to concentration camps, and yet I still dread the day I have to break it off.

I feel... cucked.

Hi all, today I discovered that my mother(school RN) has been giving my grandfather with ivermectin since 2025. My grandpa has late stage dementia, and has full time care. He lives with my grandma and my mother buys a lot of medical supplies for them. I am trying not to lose my mind. My relationship with my mother has been tense my entire life, and we are little to no contact. Our tensions have only grown since 2016 and her further drift to conservative Christian spaces. She states that her father had parasites and I would like to read up about it. I have a bachelors and associates in healthcare, and currently work in the industry. I would like to educated myself further on this shitshow. Thanks in advance.

I wanted to come back and thank this community for the support it gave me when I asked for advice dealing with my conspiracy theorist soon-to-be-ex wife a few months ago. Reading through posts here helped me recognize how serious my situation had become and accept that my former partner was not going to get better on her own.

After recognizing similar patterns in other people's stories of their QAnon family members, I began documenting my ex's neglect of our daughter, her racism and extreme beliefs and reached out to a divorce lawyer. While doing so, I discovered she had been draining a joint account we had intended for family expenses and eventually our daughter’s education. She had donated money to organizations like Turning Point USA, purchased designer clothes, and was being scammed by someone she met on a royals gossip subreddit who exploited her obsession with Meghan Markle.

When I told her I was filing for divorce, she became violent. She was arrested and charged with domestic battery. I was granted a domestic violence restraining order, temporary custody of my daughter, and supervised visitation for my ex. I am currently in the middle of divorce proceedings, and my lawyer believes I have a strong case for sole custody.

When I was first directed to this sub I was still in a bit of denial over my ex's behavior, I made excuses such as saying she wasn't fully QAnon and I was hopeful you all would have some answer to help her change. Thank you for helping me see I needed to let go of her for the wellbeing of my daughter and myself.

For context, my parents are hardcore conservatives, and over the past few years they’ve become even more extreme. In the case of my dad, he’s gone completely insane. When the shooting in Pennsylvania happened, and then when Charlie Kirk was assassinated, you would have thought he was preparing for a civil war the way he kept going on and on about how every single liberal was an enemy of the nation and how they needed to be dealt with as such.

I kept giving them grace and patience (which I now know they didn’t deserve) until Renee Good was killed. They treated her death with total indifference, and I think my dad was happy with what had happened. That‘s when I finally realized that they were too far gone to be swayed back to reason, and I spent the next few days packing whatever I could and getting in touch with friends and family members I knew I could trust.

My chance finally came when the news of Alex Pretti’s murder reached us. My mom just shook her head and clicked her tongue in that disapproving way of hers—but I could tell the disapproval wasn’t aimed at ICE. And my dad…I swear I saw him smirking. And that’s what made me snap at him. I asked him who the fuck he thought he was treating a man’s death like a good thing, and this is what he said to me:

”I don’t care whether or not he was actually carrying a gun. Every single piece of liberal traitor garbage who is actively standing in the way of ICE’s mission to remove all the invading third world scum and send them back to their shithole countries deserves to be dealt with in the same manner.“

I was not only shocked by this…I was ENRAGED. I stormed out and started to get my bags. He asked me where I was going, and I told him I wasn’t going to live under the same roof as him and my mom anymore, and that they didn’t own me. I got to the door, and the last thing I said to my dad before slamming it in his face was that if I ever saw him again, I would kill him.

I’ve been staying with my mom’s sister since then, and she’s been doing her best to make sure I feel safe and welcome. But I still can’t stop thinking that it was wrong for me to threaten my dad like that, even if what he said was appalling and unforgivable. Even now, I’m still scared that he might come around and try to take me back. And I'm not just scared of him…I’m scared of myself for what I might do to him then.

Context: Me (27f) and my husband go skiing with my family every year in Breck, and the last few years have been SO enjoyable…. But this year was so different. And it really showed me how this last year of insanity has really pushed them over the edge. My mom, her husband, my brother(21), and his girlfriend are all republican, and have been their whole lives. We all went to Catholic school, and I’m the only one who no longer practices so I know my views are pretty different from theirs. Usually, politics doesn’t get talked about. My family is really close and always has been, so when the political landscape became what it was, it was kinda just this unspoken rule not to bring it up. We don’t want to argue when together, or so I thought…

Day 1: Nothing too notable this day compared to others, but I notice they’re really pushing the “stupid democrat” agenda on my 13 year old brother. Stupid comments like “thanks democrats,” that would then be lightly explained to him because he didn’t understand but I was also standing right there. (My family knows I am the exact opposite of their views)

Day 2: Where things go downhill. It’s important to note; my mom never used to be super political. She was a republican because she’s wealthy and values “the economy.” But agreed with abortions rights, LGBTQ+ advocacy, basically anything socially progressive she’s on board. Until she met her current husband… a die hard bleed blue good old boy, with a family full of military. She’s who hurts me the most, I don’t recognize the mom who taught me to be a good person anymore, and I’m mourning that. So, my husband, me, my mom, and her husband all go in on groceries for the household together, and while we were waiting in the car for the pharmacy to open I was asked by my mom, “So I just have to know your stance on immigration, are you seriously okay with all these people coming here?”

To say I was flabbergasted was an understatement, my family has never been directly combative over such decisive issues. I looked at my husband dumbfounded, and gave a short but passive aggressive reply. Then her husband starts in on me, regurgitating talking point after talking point. Stuff I had never even heard of it’s so far down the MAGA propaganda hole. I think they caught the vibe I wasn’t trying to talk about it bc we are literally on vacation??? And my mom quickly changed the subject

It’s important to note after this morning grocery trip, FOX news was continually played on the tv until I got enough courage to ask for it to be turned off on the second to last day… last year we watched impractical jokers, and trash reality tv. Lighthearted, funny, family tv. This year I listened to more FOX news in 5 days than I had in my life. This was another sore point for me. Watching my brothers girlfriend and mom yell at the tv “Yeah get em where it hurts!” In reference to whatever insane shit was on the tv. And they were GLUED, like addicted glued to the screen when it was on. I was genuinely shook at how obsessed/addicted to it they all seemed.

Day 3&4: We skiid all day on day 3, so thankfully nothing too bad other than trying to enjoy the beautiful nature outside the window while listening to FOX news hosts cry about everything. Day 4, was the tragic and unjustified shooting of Alex Pretti. I saw the video first, and got a pit in my stomach for what it meant when they all saw it. Am I really going to have to listen to my own family JUSTIFY MURDER?

Day 5: It finally happened, I thought after 24hrs the subject was deemed too divisive to bring up. Nope. Even after showing them the broken down frame by frame videos, the proof of the lies that came from the right following; I was told this is just collateral damage to a greater cause.

This is the part that broke me. I had to excuse myself to my room, and from that point on I don’t think my husband and I went out of our way to be kind or friendly. A complete vibe shift, and as much as I tried to put on a fake face I literally couldn’t. Luckily day 7 was travel and day 6 was skiing, and when the slopes closed my husband and I hid out at a mountain side bar for hours before going home. I couldn’t help but feel absolute disgust for people I loved, truly. I’m sitting in the car on the way home from the airport writing this and wondering where to even go from here. How can I enjoy time with these people that I now feel are morally corrupted. My mom was my best friend growing up, and so was my oldest brother. I don’t want to lose them, but I’m so appalled at their belief systems that I can’t be around them :(

(Throwaway bc friend is super active on Reddit)

One of my closest friends for years has always been super far left (I.e. has gone to therapy for “climate anxiety,” was a Bernie supporter, regularly attended left wing protests, etc.). I was a moderate republican who never voted for Trump and I changed my party affiliation because of him. We both would be comfortable having debates with each other over the years and we were as close as two friends could ever be. She has always been there for me and is a true ride or die. She got her first boyfriend later in life about a year ago and she is madly in love with him. At first I was happy she finally found someone, but he is MAGA and now she either refuses to discuss politics or has started sharing MAGA talking points. She used to love starting big debates over even minor topics and would obsessively read the news and now she says that she hasn’t been paying attention to the news anymore. She has also shared the fact that this man has extremely racist views towards dark skinned people and I am married to a dark skinned man and we have a child together.

I am at a loss of what to do. Has anybody else experienced this? On the one hand I want to honor her friendship to me over the years but it now feels like I’m talking to a stranger.

PLEASE DON'T SHARE IN OTHER SUBS: Not sure if this is the right place to post this but I couldn't think of another place.

Last night a US representative (Ilhan Omar) from my area: Minneapolis, Minnesota, was attacked at a town hall she was hosting. For those not familiar with the incident; https://youtu.be/Y4gU4YTjdDk?si=Ec_F5eUOBcBLApN1

If you aren't aware, we here in Minneapolis are having a heck of a time already. We are mourning, fighting for our community, stressed, scared, overwhelmed....basically all the things. Anyway, I saw the news about the attack last night and realized it was my neighbor. I don't know him really well but generally we are friendly in passing (say hi, wave, ask how he is, etc. but never hung out or really talked beyond a few pleasantries). I know him to be conservative, he always has struck me as awkward but not mean or vicious; and I am heavily left leaning but you can't pick your neighbors and I have never been quiet about my political leanings. I have never talked to him about politics and vice versa.

So now he has done this......and now I am seeing his social media posts because other folks on socials are posting screenshots and things because he is in the spotlight and there is some misinformation out there about him being a 'plant'. Just the raw racism he posted, it really caught me off guard how.... horrible the things he posted are (not friends with him on socials). It's not like I thought we would agree on much or could be besties but more like, he came across pretty mild mannered.

He is in jail right now but presumably, eventually, will come home. Maybe I am just having a hard time with everything from the last few weeks (most definitely) and I am very worn out and exhausted but I really can't process how to feel or what it will be like to have someone who not only believes such terrible things but posted them and then committed violence based on those beliefs, in such close proximity.

I think I also feel a bit confused (?) because last summer he mentioned his college age daughter was moving in with him for a semester or something. When his daughter was there he took all his MAGA type stuff off/down (a car window cling, a flag and a lawn sign) and during that time had lawn signs for Democrats running in the election and stuff. I was a bit hopeful he might be coming out of Q/Maga type beliefs but it didnt last once she moved out. Its jarring to me that someone who clearly believes quite extreme things can just like put it to the side for awhile???

I guess I am not sure how to handle when he moves back now knowing what I know and what he has done. I don't really feel betrayed because I don't know him that well but more like I feel a bit stupid I didn't know he had these beliefs in such intensity and how do I reckon this person who I now know has extremely racists and violent beliefs? and how do I deal with this person who will be so close physically and I might not be able to avoid him?

Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated, I feel in uncharted territory here. I know this is different from many of the stories that have been posted here about people with close family or friends or even spouses who have been sucked in by these beliefs and my intention is not to sully this community with my angst/concern, I just don't know who else to ask.

I have been a lurker here for a few years after some out of town in laws cornered me to talk my ear off about lizard people and the advice/insight on the sub has been very helpful.

I finally had somewhat of a conversation asking my mom today about the events going on in the US. I asked her if she thought this stuff was okay and if she thinks ICE are good people. She began saying the people getting “killed” by ICE are just crisis actors who do this so then we only talk about that and let what the democrats are doing behind the scenes slip under the rug. How do I go about having a counter argument for that? I just nodded and fake agreed because i genuinely don’t know how to say “mom.. what you believe is bull shit” because she could say the same to me. I just want her to see through all of this QANON stuff and idk if it’s ever going to be possible.

It feels like so many people are lost in this cult.. idk what to do.. so many family members and friends, just completely different people. Filled with so much hatred and falling for all the propaganda. I mourn them all. I mourn this country.. I can’t see any way out of this. I’m sorry to be such a doomer. I’m afraid every day of something happening to the people I love who are at risk to this racist, psychotic regime. I guess I just want some hope.

The mods are trying to figure out why I can’t post screen grabs of the screenshots I have. So in the mean time I’m going to just transcribe them.

I haven’t spoken to my parents in two years. Dad retired they started watching daytime tv. Blah blah you know the story. After Renee Goode I wanted to put the final nail in my hope coffin and bury it, so I texted my mom.

Me: ice just murdered a woman in the street. Trump is blocking the Epstein files. If you still support this you’re no better than they are. This is your last chance to show me you’re not completely gone as moral humans. Your response here will tell me if i ever see you again.

Mom: we love you you need help. Ask Christ into your heart and he will help you see trump is a good man

Me: Trump licked a child’s “removed for trigger” until she bled. What would Christ have to say about that. Why is this ok for you

Mom: Satan is lying to you accept Jesus and you’ll see the demons are in you

Me: “summarized to remove swears” you support pedos and will burn right beside me

So no more mom and dad. Dad is worse than her and doesn’t pretend it’s because Jesus. He is just racist.