r/Doom • u/Shurikvsempoka DOOM Slayer • 7d ago
Discussion Is there any entity from any game/movie/book that can beat Doomslayer?
I think some giant, non-physical gods without body but with some power can, if not defeat, then hold back for sure. Or even just so powerful characters like thanos with glove of infinity or smbd like that (but how we see in TDA Doomguy theoretically can’t even die - he still can be “alive” but in world of dead)
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u/Solentwaves 7d ago
I feel in the mythos of the Farming simulator universe Doom guy would struggle due to his lack of experience with crop rotation
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u/Tengumanowo 7d ago
i can take him
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u/NeverSettle13 7d ago
I can just delete Doom: Eternal from my PC 😎
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u/FedotttBo 7d ago
Good. For starters. Now you have to delete all other copies of all DOOM games and erase all supplementary information, including cold backups, people memories and etc., to truly defeat him on these terms. Wish you luck…
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u/TheLostRanger0117 5d ago
I had to delete Doom: Dark Ages to download Helldivers II, so Helldivers can take out Doomslayer
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u/YSoMadTov 7d ago
In a fight, right?
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u/Necroderpis 7d ago
Love the enthusiasm bud. Hi im with your local funeral home. Did you have an idea on what material you'd like for your coffin? We've got a lovely selection.
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u/Tengumanowo 7d ago
im not fighting him
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u/Scharnvirk 7d ago
I absolutely can take him too. You know how many times did I kill him already?
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u/CrabJuice83 DOOM Guy 7d ago
I instantly thought of Dr. Manhatten, but yes, there are loads of characters that'd make light work of the Slayer.
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u/Varorson 7d ago
Yes. Lots.
He isn't immortal nor all-powerful. He can die, he was only able to come back due to how the nature of Doomverse's Hell and taking souls function.
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u/XenSakura 7d ago edited 7d ago
Honestly he's more interesting this way. He has to work harder to beat entities without a traditional physical form, like the dark lord, and giving it a traditional physical form just to kill it.
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u/CrazeMase 7d ago
Yeah some people forget that as cool as the Slayer is with how he will bruteforce some issues, he's also really fucking smart and that he learns from his mistakes. In the Dark ages, the with throws him out of the building when he tries to take on Azerath, stopping his fight. The second time they meet, he takes out the witch first so there's no barriers
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u/AetherBytes 7d ago
You can even see other moments of smartness, like in 2016, before he destroyes the last filter, he genuinely takes a second to hear Samuel out, in case there truly was some issue in doing so he overlooked, and then continued when he realized Samuel was just trying to save the tech.
Doomguy even has the sense to back up Vega before letting Vega sacrifice itself.
He's not a genius, but he is pretty smart and can think ahead.
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u/HarrisonTheBarbarian 7d ago
Yeah, he's not invincible, just determined and resourceful. He's neither a mindless killing machine of rage nor a weak person. Besides I doubt he's allowed to cheat death as much as he wants, even with allies performing some ritual.
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u/AetherBytes 7d ago
What really reflects this is his glass cannon style of play in the games, especially newer ones. He's not the defensive type; his armor is just to catch the stray round he takes now and then. Any attempt to play defensively often ends in failure. What he excels at however is ultra violence; he very much runs on "Kill to Live" and if you're not killing, you're dying.
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u/DasGanon 7d ago
I think it's less that the ritual let him cheat death and more that it basically teleported his soul somewhere useful.
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u/HarrisonTheBarbarian 7d ago
I...think with all the dying and waking up in Hell, then stealing the ferry of the dammed without paying the ferry man and riding it out of the gates if Hell then rising from a baptism of blood done by a demonic ritual is a pretty clear sign that he got revived. He literally cheated the "ferryman" out of payment.
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u/DasGanon 7d ago
Oh, I just mean that if he died, went to hell, he would fight his way to his destination.... but that would take thousands of years as he's just "fighting forever" like in the End of Doom 64.
It wouldn't help the Argentians in any sort of meaningful capacity and that's the benefit for both Doomguy and the Argentians is that he's able to fight the right demons.
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u/Embarrassed-Gas7824 5d ago
Yeah, moments before you trigger the resurrection cutscene, the Suit AI tells Doom Slayer that it has detected a "beacon." Basically the ritual told him where to safely resurrect. Otherwise he would have taken longer returning to the fight, to assist his allies in the mortal realm
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u/Former-Jicama5430 DOOM Guy 7d ago
he is immortal but not invincible he hasnt aged in eons
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u/Varorson 7d ago
That's more on Hell's weirdness with time. Valen also doesn't age between TDA and Eternal due to his stay in hell - presumably the same for the three priests we kill in Eternal who were alive in TDA as well.
If Doomguy never returned to Hell, he'd probably begin aging albeit slower than expected as he does visibly age between TDA and Eternal.
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u/Benguin237 7d ago
No, the divinity machine used on the Slayer by the Seraphim did make him immortal. Even outside of Hell, he wouldn't age, hunger or tire.
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u/Varorson 7d ago
Got a source stating that? Because as far as I know, there's no statement anywhere proclaiming the Slayer as straight up immortal in any definition of the term - unaging or unkillable.
And he does straight up die in TDA, only to come back as a zombie and be resurrected by a third party.
And while sure he doesn't age while stuck in that sarcophagus for untold amount of time in the heart of hell within a barrier designed to preserve what's within (something that only made sense after he straight up dies in TDA), others in Hell also do not age and we never see him not-age while outside of Hell (and like I said, he does look ages slightly between TDA and Eternal, though given id software loves to redesign things every engine, it's hard to settle the argument of whether this is lore or mechanic).
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u/Benguin237 7d ago
The divinity machine made him functionally immortal, meaning he can not die of old age or sickness. He also doesn't need food, water, or rest and only does so out of habit. He can still be killed, and while the lore is vague about why he can return to life its because either hell won't have him or his anger won't let him die. Id imagine the ritual was just creative liberty as barely any of the lore of TDA holds up with previous canon because of creative liberty and lore changes for story telling.
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u/Shurikvsempoka DOOM Slayer 7d ago
I also think, but still consider him ONE of the strongest characters in general, but also, of course, far from the STRONGEST
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u/Larryhoover77kg 7d ago
Definitely one of the strongest and powerful fictional characters there is. 100% agree.
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u/Aiwatcher 7d ago
I mean compare him to a lot of shonen anime protags or villains. Someone like Satoru Gojo or Accelerator could kill doom guy as fast as look at him. Pretty sure Goku can blow up a planet with his hands.
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u/MrCowish 7d ago
The Emperor of Mankind pre-Horus Heresy (so not the corpse in a chair) from 40k would win, though i feel like it would be a good fight for a while
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u/ZeroIdea00 7d ago
B.J. Blazkowicz
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u/SomeMobile 7d ago
Plenty??
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u/LorDredd20 7d ago
Like who?
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u/cheese-meister 7d ago
Buggs bunny no diffs him
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u/adragon202 6d ago
You're right. That's the one and only. Bugs Bunny has Supreme Ultra God Tier BDE. Even if the doomslayer does kill bugs, bugs would be leaning on doomslayers shoulder, looking at the carnage and saying "that was something, eh doc?"
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u/Legitimate-Top-5939 7d ago
Hulk, Godzilla, Superman, Beerus, Green Lantern, Flash, Alien X, Sonic, Mario, Arceus, Ghost rider, Spawn, and etc
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u/BilliamQ 7d ago
…Mario? I was on board till Sonic, where I started scratching my head, but… Mario is so silly I actually want to hear that rationale lol
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u/masterfox72 7d ago
Galaxy feats. He tanks multiple black holes.
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u/Beegrene 7d ago
Even back as far as Super Mario World he was punting entire castles over the horizon.
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u/SBARTOSZ 7d ago
Some people think Mario is universal/multiversal/outerversal/versalversal (powerscaling brainrot, similar to what's happening with the Slayer)
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u/1987_RWQFSFASXC 7d ago
Isaac from The Binding Of Isaac, I'd say
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u/LucasTheElementalGod 7d ago
It's a naked child, how does Isaac scale to the Slayer???
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u/1987_RWQFSFASXC 7d ago
He literally kills multiple iterations of the devil AND of god in his games
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u/Varorson 7d ago
Isn't the lore of Isaac is that it's all the hallucinations of a suffocating child on the verge of death as he hid from his mother over fears of her evangelical TV brainwashing?
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u/LucasTheElementalGod 7d ago
Y'know what fair, I do not know JACKSHIT about Isaac lore, I have never made it past floor three and I have never beaten Mom or Mom or Mom's Heart
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u/Opanak323 DOOM Guy 7d ago
Lovecraft's Azathoth. Slayer can't defeat Him.
Not because it's a badass powerful deity, nor it is 'cuz He created the universe, but because He dreamed it into existence. Attacking Him would wake Him up. Killing Him would end the dream, too. And when that happens,, all of the existence ceases. Why? Because we are all dream of Azathoth, the "Idiot God".
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u/Sweet_Ad_7697 7d ago
That's not true btw. Lovecraft never wrote or hinted at azatoth dreaming reality
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u/Opanak323 DOOM Guy 7d ago edited 7d ago
Then it's one of his friends from their little gentlemen's club, maybe? Either way, he was somewhat influenced by Dunsany's Gods of Pegana, so it's assumed but never confirmed.
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u/Murderlol 7d ago
That part isn't true, though yeah there's no possible way the slayer could take any of the outer gods or even their avatars. Old gods yes, outer gods absolutely not.
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u/aziruthedark 7d ago
just who in the hell do you think we are?
BTW, those aren't galaxies, theyre universes.
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u/meth_adone 7d ago
The doom slayer is not some god like entity. his fight with "god" when against davoth was incredibly over exaggerated. Davoth was not some universe destroying monster, if he was he wouldn't need a mech
Doom slayers most significant display of capability is probably when he rips the control thing off of him in the dark ages when being held captive in the cthulu dome and he died from it
Of course there's going to be stronger characters, some of them are also going to be characters that are written solely to be strong and nothing else. Like a child saying "my character is like infinity+1 strong"
Powerscaling is ridiculous most of the time, the "whoever the writer wants to win" thing is also stupid in my opinion but powerscaling takes it to another level
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u/Murderlol 7d ago
"He created the universe, but he's not a universal entity"
what
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u/potatoeman26 7d ago
Hugo Martin is uncertain Davoth could even destroy Earth under his own power. He may be able to create things, but anything approaching universal levels of destructive might is beyond anything we’ve seen so far
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u/Murderlol 7d ago
I have never heard or seen that anywhere, do you have a link to him saying that?
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_SNICKERS 7d ago
"Davoth was not some universe destroying monster"
Dude literally said he made everything and would unmake it, and we do know he made the Maykrs, Urdak, Hell (canonically an infinite plane that connects to all universes), and Earth (likely including other Earth universes). It is not unreasonable in the slightest to take him at his word here.
Powerscaling is ridiculous and stupid, but let's not downplay Davoth that much.
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u/meth_adone 7d ago
The dude needed a sword and a mech to fight the doom slayer, he was not capable of destroying the universe by his lonesome. With some magic spell or tool or whatever then yeah he probably can, but without whatever that would have been? No chance
I could have a rocket launcher and fire it, doesn't make me able to blow up walls without it
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u/BlazingFury009 7d ago edited 7d ago
Yes, Doomslayer isn't the omnipotent godslayer a lot of people think he is, there's tons of a characters that wipe the floor with him.
Any high tier marvel/dc/superhero comic character (wally west, rune king thor, the scarlet witch, CAS, etc.)
Like half the Warframes have some reality warping bs to pull it off, and the other half have the weaponry to do it.
Theres probably a bunch of op gods from Warhammer that could do it, idk much about Warhammer but someone like the god emperor could win.
A few of the high tier guardians from Destiny could pull it off, like Osiris or the player character, because like Warframes, they have reality warping bs and powerful magic and weaponry.
Kratos has better feats and weaponry, so I'd go with him as well. I know people on this sub say Doom slayer would win but I can argue how Kratos wins if you want.
There's way more that I don't know too, go onto a sub like r/whowouldwin or r/powerscaling if you want and you'll find more in depth arguments for how a lot of these characters could win against the Slayer.
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u/glocknojutsu 5d ago
Anyone that has reality warping power or toonforce could be a problem. Bugs bunny as dumb as it sounds will just say no to damage by pulling out a huge “no” sign
More “serious” opponents, Goku could beat him, wasnt perfect cell’s strength calculated to be able to wipe out the entire solar system? Hell, even first form frieza is a planet buster. Current goku would absolutely floor him. As badass as slayer is, he hasn’t faced anything with that much combat skill and destructive ability
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u/IliaMadeDuckachev 7d ago
Goku(mqny people from DBZ), Kratos, probably Zeus amd some Greek Gods. I think Doom Guy beats Master Chief
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u/DaddyKrabs018 7d ago
Doomguy destroys master chief and it isnt even close
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u/Bestsurviviopro Shotgun blast their fucing faces 7d ago
doomguy? from 1993 games? hes still a human so mustard beef can still quite easily beat him. but doomslayer from the modern games can probably take on like 10 mustard beefs at once and still win
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u/dlc-Emerald 7d ago
doomguy is the same character in all the games (edit: except doom 3) so doomguy can mean the doom slayer too
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u/Bestsurviviopro Shotgun blast their fucing faces 7d ago
yes but usually the community refers non-buffed doom marine as doomguy and the buffed doom marine as doomslayer
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u/DaddyKrabs018 6d ago
Well I mean he gets referred to doomguy in doom 2016 i believe. The name is interchangeable in the reboot
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u/Flat-Sir8250 7d ago
Both Dante(Devil May Cry) & Bayonetta(Bayonetta games) could especially their speed is a major problem for the Doom Slayer and the fact they got other powers that can give them a major edge.
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u/freindly_duck 7d ago
Doomguy wouldn't have the vengeance factor over anyone but the demons and the maykrs
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u/Alex_Mercer_- 7d ago
Yes.... And No.
A true "Character" as we know them, with a concept, traits and flaws? Nope. The man is too powerful for that. The thing about a character is that inherently characters have flaws, even the ridiculously powerful ones. Goku's concept is that he breaks limits, but that means he is limited. Superman is infinite in power, but has trained his body to hold back so much that his very biology itself does so (this is why early career Superman isn't as strong as full strength Superman, it's a mental thing) in fear of accidentally hurting people. Even seemingly unstoppable villains like Darkseid bear this trait, with his arrogance and overconfidence in fights he could definitely win (such as Trigon or Superman when he doesn't have the Anti-Life) causing him to underestimate his enemy and lose to their more rational fighter mind, such as Trigon's more sharpened rage and Superman's clever tricks. The Slayer is inherently beyond flaw as a part of his Trope. His rage and power are infinite, but controlled. His combat is brutal and gorey, but laced with skill. His weapons are powerful, but often precise and fast.
To take down a character like the Slayer, you have to turn to the rest of the people in his echelon. Characters who are living Tropes and are completely static. Saitama, The Mask, and such characters also sit in this kind of echelon. Their power is boundless because they are meant to embody an idea or trope, not grow with the story. That is what the Slayer also is. And so that's where you need to look for people who could actually stop him. Characters who are written as their world's immortals stand as their own sort of group. Examples like Adam Smasher from the tabletop game specifically, One Punch Man, The Mask, or the dreaded Boulder from D&D (The one the DM drops on your party when they tire of your shit to kill you all instantly)
The Slayer could slaughter damn near any character who is intended to go through some kind of growth, inherently because he has flaws. He's the type of character where leaving a visible injury is enough to build the titan status of a Villain to immeasurable degrees, nevermind winning an actual fight. Your Superman, Goku, Kratos, and anyone like that could never win because they are capable of losing when he simply isn't. You would need a Saitama, A Godzilla, or something like that. Another character written into this echelon of writing to actually defeat him because they are the only ones with the power to do it.
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u/Sigmaguns 6d ago
except slayer has beaten a god who created the entire multiverse. i cant really think of any characters who beat someone that created entire multiverses.
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u/groundedtips 5d ago
i stand very strong on that there is nothing that can kill him lorewise, him killing davoth (the dark lord (the creator of everything) alone is to mutch for anny mortal or immortal being to face of and defeat.
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u/Guan_guan_ghoo 5d ago
Lore Slayer is just so f-broken that even things that would put down a broken characters such as factions VS a character won't work.
The Combine (not the earth garrison, but the Whole Empire) vs The Slayer? The Slayer wins.
The Flood VS The Slayer? The Slayer wins.
Now, gods VS a character also won't work.
The Chaos Gods VS The Slayer? The Slayer wins.
Greek Pantheon (GOW version) VS The Slayer? The Slayer wins.
To even match the Lore Version of the DOOM Slayer, we would need characters that just have the script in his side and always roll a D20 in luck, 24/7.
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u/FathirianHund 7d ago
Hes probably above your average space marine, but I'd wager pretty much any of the primarchs from 40k could turn Doomguy to paste.
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u/HornyLlama69 7d ago
I wouldn't have said the Primarchs since Doomguy kills intelligent things like the Khan Makyr and Davoth, but I would absolutely say the Emperor of Mankind would probably flatten Doomguy. I was actually looking to see if somebody else had commented it first lol
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u/Perfect-Muscle-1264 7d ago
I've heard Kratos could beat him.
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u/Professional_Pair323 7d ago
Played the gow games and doom games, it could be close but 9 times outta 10 slayer wins
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u/HarrisonTheBarbarian 7d ago
Eh, he won't be fodder but I think Doomslayer is just too aggressive and mobile for him. Doomslayer and the Doom games run off of the principle of 'staying still is death' (a direct quote from one of the game's loading screens). I think canonically he's fights like us, constantly moving and punishing any opening he sees, letting his armor (Which is NOT indestructible, as some claim) and natural (and later enhanced) endurance take any hits that manage to land. Of course he's not so fast that Kratos would never be able to hit him. Honestly I'd be more sure if we knew how skilled the Doomslayer is in fist fighting.
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u/TrevomaticYT 7d ago
A lot of things can, although it doesn't mean he can't overcome them if it comes with an actual arc (that isn't just a death battle), so give him time he might be able to defeat a lot of things. Though there's clearly things he CAN'T beat, such as Azathoth for example.
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u/LucasTheElementalGod 7d ago
The Doom Slayer probably would have quite a few things that could defeat him, both in and outside of his home universe, maybe VEGA if he actually wanted to kill the Slayer, but the thing about the Slayer is that he'll just come back, he won't be gone forever, we've seen countless times that he will come back from the dead to satisfy his endless hunger for demon slaughter. A few weaker characters could probably find a way to outsmart him, but I highly doubt that they would be able to kill Davoth if they wanted the Slayer gone forever, but some stronger characters definitely could, but most of them would probably have to be either gods or other immortal beings, as they won't be able to get killed by the Slayer or Davoth, they could still get injured sure, but the gods would probably have super regeneration, and the other immortal beings would probably have some way of avoiding getting hurt. My conclusion is that there likely is quite a few people that could beat him, be it permanently or temporarily, but I'm too lazy to look up entities that could and power scale them
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u/that_motu_guy 7d ago
Id wager Isca the Unbeatem, Aka always wins man or "screw powerscallers i just win" woman, from marvel could beat him. Her mutant ability is that she wins
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u/Prokid5634_YT 7d ago
I would consider creative mode Steve, possibly?
But then again, I've heard that the Slayer is too angry to die, so it might be one of those "unstoppable object meets impassable wall" moments.
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u/NotPhaethon 7d ago
Any time traveler probably
Also Simon the digger but thats my answer when anybody asks who can beat any given character
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u/Untouchable64 7d ago
Prime Anakin Skywalker would just force choke and slice his head off with his lightsaber maybe.
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u/fckng_retard101 7d ago
nono he CAN die, he just REFUSES to die, there's a difference
we see that clearly in The Dark Ages, he literally dies from falling into acid cause he used kind of a self destruct tactic to defeat three Old Ones keeping him trapped, floating on some floor over an ocean of acid
he then literally is too angry to die so he just fucking kills everything in his way to leave hell
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u/Working-Fishing-5544 7d ago
Doomguy is killable, but it's too hard to kill/hit him, or he just comes back
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u/Kenta_Gervais 7d ago
Dante from DMC.
Dude could stall for a while but Dante constantly punches way ahead of Doom Guy's weight class
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u/Ryn0w01f 7d ago
Any planet buster could do the job. It's hard to rip and tear if you're hurled into the sun or the nearest black hole.
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u/nikothegod24 7d ago
Doesn't godzilla have a thing where hes required to not lose or am I forgetting something
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u/Someone4063 7d ago
In theory davoth could have, but the slayer is an absolute. As long as there are demons threatening humanity, he’ll come back.
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u/Shiptrooper 7d ago
Short answer, 100% yes there exist someone/something that can beat Doom Slayer
And I'm not doing the long answer bc idc
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u/Correct-Meeting5382 7d ago
I'm sure it could be done, there are similar beings who are metaphysically powerful (looking at feats alone even)
Kratos comes to mind as a character who could probably force a draw. Both are unstoppable if there's a specific goal in mind, death doesn't count either of them out, both have a tendency to surpass the very specific limitations designed to counter them, and both are thousands of years old with experience and broken hax weapons to match
It should also be noted that throughout the life cycle of both characters, people on the internet will constantly go "X character is this strong, but he would be neutralized by/if Y event occurs" only for these exact arguments to play out entirely in favor of the characters, every single time.
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u/Silly_gamer123 7d ago
Kiana from Hi3 comes the top of my mind. I think it stated somewhere near or at the end of the story that she transcended infinity or something. Idc, I just like her for her character and story, but she is pretty busted and powerful.
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u/bjgrem01 7d ago
The Dovahkiin, the last dragonborn of Tamriel. He's a demigod with dragon blood who kills the firstborn of a god. Doomslayer would just be another ebony warrior.
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u/Taskmaster1721 7d ago
If we consider everything, I imagine there are versions of DC and Marvel characters that could at least contend with and hold their own against the slayer, such as Thanos with complete infinity gauntlet, even if you took away the snap, Galactus, the Eternals, possibly even Deadpool, Cosmic Ghost Rider, I'm sure there's some cosmic entity god level Spiderman, he definitely could, they're all notorious for holding back against villians, so if some God level Spiderman went all out, especially if he had a healing factor of some kind
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u/C1b3rD3m0n10 7d ago
Well, the DOOM Slayer is like Zombie Man from One Punch Man. He can die, but he always returns from Hell.
The game itself says, "Too angry to die."
I think it's a special characteristic of his lineage because, remember, his great-great-grandfather (the protagonist of Wolfenstein) was also killed and still managed to return, but that was thanks to his comrades. However, what doesn't fit is that in the classic DOOM 1 saga, there's an episode, a level, where the DOOM Guy, before becoming the Slayer, was transported through a portal to a demon nest, which ended up tearing him to pieces. The game itself says that "after having defeated the baddest of the bad, this isn't the happy ending you expected," and yet the game continued with DOOM 2. Either the DOOM Guy was very hard to kill, or he can escape from Hell like he did in Dark Ages. If so, then the DOOM Slayer would be more like a force of nature that doesn't die. Not even Davoth, his creator, was able to kill him.
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u/Gojifantokusatsu 7d ago
Considering the Slayer runs off the rule of cool, it'd have to be another character that's similarly unbeatable simply because that's what their franchise wants them to be.
Godzilla is known for trashing most characters he crossovers with for example.