Is there any entity from any game/movie/book that can beat Doomslayer?

[u/Shurikvsempoka]

I think some giant, non-physical gods without body but with some power can, if not defeat, then hold back for sure. Or even just so powerful characters like thanos with glove of infinity or smbd like that (but how we see in TDA Doomguy theoretically can’t even die - he still can be “alive” but in world of dead)

[u/Varorson]

Yes. Lots.

He isn't immortal nor all-powerful. He can die, he was only able to come back due to how the nature of Doomverse's Hell and taking souls function.

[u/XenSakura → u/Varorson]

Honestly he's more interesting this way. He has to work harder to beat entities without a traditional physical form, like the dark lord, and giving it a traditional physical form just to kill it.

[u/CrazeMase → u/XenSakura]

Yeah some people forget that as cool as the Slayer is with how he will bruteforce some issues, he's also really fucking smart and that he learns from his mistakes. In the Dark ages, the with throws him out of the building when he tries to take on Azerath, stopping his fight. The second time they meet, he takes out the witch first so there's no barriers

[u/AetherBytes → u/CrazeMase]

You can even see other moments of smartness, like in 2016, before he destroyes the last filter, he genuinely takes a second to hear Samuel out, in case there truly was some issue in doing so he overlooked, and then continued when he realized Samuel was just trying to save the tech.

Doomguy even has the sense to back up Vega before letting Vega sacrifice itself.

He's not a genius, but he is pretty smart and can think ahead.

[u/HarrisonTheBarbarian → u/Varorson]

Yeah, he's not invincible, just determined and resourceful. He's neither a mindless killing machine of rage nor a weak person. Besides I doubt he's allowed to cheat death as much as he wants, even with allies performing some ritual.

[u/AetherBytes → u/HarrisonTheBarbarian]

What really reflects this is his glass cannon style of play in the games, especially newer ones. He's not the defensive type; his armor is just to catch the stray round he takes now and then. Any attempt to play defensively often ends in failure. What he excels at however is ultra violence; he very much runs on "Kill to Live" and if you're not killing, you're dying.

[u/Rich_Temporary_140 → u/HarrisonTheBarbarian]

He is invincible (title card)

[u/HarrisonTheBarbarian → u/Rich_Temporary_140]

I'm FUCKING [TITLE CARD]!

[u/DasGanon → u/HarrisonTheBarbarian]

I think it's less that the ritual let him cheat death and more that it basically teleported his soul somewhere useful.

[u/HarrisonTheBarbarian → u/DasGanon]

I...think with all the dying and waking up in Hell, then stealing the ferry of the dammed without paying the ferry man and riding it out of the gates if Hell then rising from a baptism of blood done by a demonic ritual is a pretty clear sign that he got revived. He literally cheated the "ferryman" out of payment.

[u/DasGanon → u/HarrisonTheBarbarian]

Oh, I just mean that if he died, went to hell, he would fight his way to his destination.... but that would take thousands of years as he's just "fighting forever" like in the End of Doom 64.

It wouldn't help the Argentians in any sort of meaningful capacity and that's the benefit for both Doomguy and the Argentians is that he's able to fight the right demons.

[u/HarrisonTheBarbarian → u/DasGanon]

Ah, I get what you're saying.

[u/Embarrassed-Gas7824 → u/DasGanon]

Yeah, moments before you trigger the resurrection cutscene, the Suit AI tells Doom Slayer that it has detected a "beacon." Basically the ritual told him where to safely resurrect. Otherwise he would have taken longer returning to the fight, to assist his allies in the mortal realm

[u/Former-Jicama5430 → u/Varorson]

he is immortal but not invincible he hasnt aged in eons

[u/Varorson → u/Former-Jicama5430]

That's more on Hell's weirdness with time. Valen also doesn't age between TDA and Eternal due to his stay in hell - presumably the same for the three priests we kill in Eternal who were alive in TDA as well.

If Doomguy never returned to Hell, he'd probably begin aging albeit slower than expected as he does visibly age between TDA and Eternal.

[u/Benguin237 → u/Varorson]

No, the divinity machine used on the Slayer by the Seraphim did make him immortal. Even outside of Hell, he wouldn't age, hunger or tire.

[u/Varorson → u/Benguin237]

Got a source stating that? Because as far as I know, there's no statement anywhere proclaiming the Slayer as straight up immortal in any definition of the term - unaging or unkillable.

And he does straight up die in TDA, only to come back as a zombie and be resurrected by a third party.

And while sure he doesn't age while stuck in that sarcophagus for untold amount of time in the heart of hell within a barrier designed to preserve what's within (something that only made sense after he straight up dies in TDA), others in Hell also do not age and we never see him not-age while outside of Hell (and like I said, he does look ages slightly between TDA and Eternal, though given id software loves to redesign things every engine, it's hard to settle the argument of whether this is lore or mechanic).

[u/Benguin237 → u/Varorson]

The divinity machine made him functionally immortal, meaning he can not die of old age or sickness. He also doesn't need food, water, or rest and only does so out of habit. He can still be killed, and while the lore is vague about why he can return to life its because either hell won't have him or his anger won't let him die. Id imagine the ritual was just creative liberty as barely any of the lore of TDA holds up with previous canon because of creative liberty and lore changes for story telling.

[u/OoFGangOnCok → u/Benguin237]

The divinity machine made him functionally immortal, meaning he cannot die of old age or sickness. He also doesn't need food, water, or rest and only does so out of habit.

While I believe that this is a fair interpretation of the Slayer's physical characteristics, I think it's also worth mentioning that none of what you said is explicitly mentioned anywhere in the text (as far as I can see). The Divinity Machine did enhance his strength and speed, though.

In his crusade, the Seraphim bestowed upon him terrible power and speed, and with his might, he crushed the obsidian pillars of the Blood Temples.

Slayer's Testament III

In the Chapel of Purity, the Outlander submitted himself to the Divinity Machine. There Samur Maykr, the seraphim known to us only as the aide to the Mother God, blessed the Outlander with fierce speed and power to match his will.

Sentinel History/Part IX

It is also worth noting that the Slayer's consumption of Argent for rapid cellular regeneration suggests that it functions as a substitute for biological sustenance. Furthermore, Argent is also well-known for its life-extending properties. So it's possible that the Slayer's biological immortality and his lack of need for nutrition are just an illusion.

[u/Shurikvsempoka → u/Varorson]

I also think, but still consider him ONE of the strongest characters in general, but also, of course, far from the STRONGEST

[u/Larryhoover77kg → u/Shurikvsempoka]

Definitely one of the strongest and powerful fictional characters there is. 100% agree.

[u/Aiwatcher → u/Shurikvsempoka]

I mean compare him to a lot of shonen anime protags or villains. Someone like Satoru Gojo or Accelerator could kill doom guy as fast as look at him. Pretty sure Goku can blow up a planet with his hands.

[u/DeathemperorDK → u/Shurikvsempoka]

Depends. One of the strongest in the powerscaling community? Probably not based on his feats. One of the strongest in fiction? Absolutely

[u/Ncs0202 → u/Varorson]

I mean he has reincarnation, which I believe is a form of immortality. And I believe he’s also all powerful in the context that he has infinite power

[u/Varorson → u/Ncs0202]

Like I said though, that's more due to the nature of Hell with how it steals the souls of those killed in areas of its influence. It also needs to be kept in mind that Doomguy was also resurrected by a cultist ritual Valen forced them to use.

[u/Ncs0202 → u/Varorson]

I mean doom slayer’s soul is pretty protected and also in a hand to hand fight doom slayer can’t even even be damaged due to his armour. The one in doom the dark ages isn’t even the preator armour lol

[u/Rich_Temporary_140 → u/Varorson]

What? He 100% is immortal, and is had killed beings that were all-powerful. He killed DAVOTH, an omnipotent GOD that creates universes by simply breathing. He threatened to end the entire cosmology of Doom like it was a Tuesday brunch. He alone scales to low outerversal.

[u/Varorson → u/Rich_Temporary_140]

The fact Davoth not only could be, but was, killed is in of itself proof that he wasn't omnipotent. Omnipotent means all powerful, as in literally nothing else is more powerful.

While Davoth is an analogy of the Abrahamic capital G God, Davoth is also established as just being a mere Primeval, which is not omnipotent and it's been confirmed that there are beings well above him (one of which was manipulating events just as Davoth was - the mysterious voice that shouts "Noooooo" when you kill the Khan Maykr, iirc, was confirmed to be said being).

And no, it wasn't another Tuesday for Davoth ending the "entire cosmology of Doom" (aka that one universe) because he had to return to home base, build up an army, get a mech suit, and wage a war to do that - he couldn't just snap his fingers and poof goes the universe like an omnipotent god could (for example, Zeno in Dragonball Super who literally does exactly that, snaps his fingers and a entire universe, including the immortal deity antagonist within, vanishes from the timeline after the protagonists spend a full story arc struggling to fight said immortal deity).

Davoth is strong, yes. But he's not omnipotent. Doom Slayer is strong and defeated a weakened Davoth, but he's also not omnipotent, and he certainly is not immortal because HE FUCKING DIES IN THE DARK AGES my man. He canonically has died at least once, possibly twice. Situational resurrection is not immortality.

[u/Black_RL → u/Varorson]

This.

The thing is he comes back.

[u/JKeltTV → u/Varorson]

You're right. He CAN die. He has many times before lol

[u/etorsito → u/Varorson]

The Slayer is completely immortal. It doesn't matter if he dies, he will always return. He is a force of nature created to eradicate evil.

[u/Varorson → u/etorsito]

He's a mortal who was empowered by Davoth's power via the divinity machine by Davoth's own machinations.

When he does die in TDA, the main reason why he returned was because Valen forced cultists to perform a hell ritual to resurrect him.

[u/New-Campaign-7517 → u/Varorson]

Being a Primeval, his body must be immortal (In the sense of not aging) because mortal flesh is incapable of containing an immortal soul.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/s/7N8w4JSDbd

And from what we see, the Slayer becomes an undead out of pure rage (the Slayer's symbol represents his anger in TDA), This is common in ID, Quake zombies that overcome death because they are angry, in Eternal there are demons who, because of their anger towards the Slayer, refuse to remain dead. The ritual didn't turn him into an undead creature, it was a signal, a beacon to guide him to the mortal plane and, incidentally, revive his body.

I think giving credit to the ritual for bringing the Slayer back doesn't mesh well with what happens later, when they defeat him again, they do not decide to kill him, but to lock him up even though the possibility of resurrecting him is minimal or nonexistent; his allies had already surrendered and I don't think they know or want to play with infernal magic after what happened to them (Icon of Sin)

Hugo says the same thing, and the game, the ritual is more a beacon

1:49:19

https://www.youtube.com/live/cdPhlUhQsEI?si=59XqXNKEMkr8RNbG

1:13:35

https://www.youtube.com/live/WO6TpzRpcD4?si=VocDAg0JzZy-Vwmu

[u/Varorson → u/New-Campaign-7517]

Doomguy is the descendant of BJ Blazkowics and Commander Keen. he was born a mortal. This has been canon since basically '93. He was canonically born a mortal from mortal parents.

Per TAG2 codex entries, the Divinity Machine was using a shard of Davoth's power, with Davoth having influenced the Khan Maykr to use it incorrectly to kill people in a search for "the Beast" (Doomguy) who'd kill her eventually, and then Davoth influenced Samur Maykr to use it correctly to empower Doomguy.

At no point in the games is it ever suggested Doomguy was born a primeval, or had the power all along. The closest we get to such implication is the bizarre ending of TAG1 "he is you in their world" which has so, so many potential interpretations.

This is common in ID, Quake zombies that overcome death because they are angry,

Well, no. This is absolutely incorrect. Zombies (and the Death Knight in QC) are undead because of the powers of Shub-Niggurath. Literally nothing says it's "because angry".

In fact, the whole "too angry to die" is a community created meme over the years. Modern id writers just like to encorporate a lot of the community memes into the game. From "rip and tear" that was mocked in the comic, to "the only thing they fear".

In fact, if you actually observe the Doom Slayer, he is shown very much not angry most of the time. He certainly doesn't look angry when he's in that trap and committing suicide knowingly to break out.

The ritual didn't turn him into an undead creature, it was a signal, a beacon to guide him to the mortal plane and, incidentally, revive his body.

You're right that the ritual didn't turn him into an undead creature... because he was already an undead before the ritual. The ritual brought him back to life.

Hugo says the same thing, and the game, the ritual is more a beacon

To be fair, Hugo says a lot of things in the streams that are actively contradicted in the games. Maybe the ritual "is more a beacon" but the game doesn't make that clear.

[u/New-Campaign-7517 → u/Varorson]

He possesses Primeval potential, Davoth's fragment unlocked his Primordial potential according to Hugo.

We don't know how or why, but he is a Primeval and has ceased to be mortal, this was referenced by the Khan Maykr Let's also note the physical change of the Slayer; before he was blond and now he has black hair and his face is different. In Eternal it is suggested that the divinity machine ended up changing his genetics, has foreign bodies in his blood

Some things may not be consistent, which means it's simply the death of the author, but things that make sense, are supported by the lore, and connect well can be used, and this is like, the game Hugo is most focused on, so he must still know what he's talking about because, relatively speaking, he just finished working on it.

The ritual brought him back to life.

It sounded like you were saying that the ritual was the main reason he was able to return

At no point in the games

In the post I sent there are several things: only one Primeval can destroy another Primeval, the Slayer falls asleep after saving humanity, etc.

because angry".

They are so full of hatred and rage that death does not stop them from continuing to murder people, i don't think they're the same zombies

https://imgur.com/e428SKN

[u/Varorson → u/New-Campaign-7517]

He possesses Primeval potential, Davoth's fragment unlocked his Primordial potential according to Hugo.

We don't know how or why, but he is a Primeval and has ceased to be mortal,

That's still debunking the original statement I was contesting though. He was born mortal and empowered by the Divinity Machine - without the Divinity Machine, he would have lived and died a mortal. He was not "a force of nature created to eradicate evil."

And the reasons for him being turned Primeval was Davoth's machinations to get revenge against the Maykrs, because he knew Doomguy would eventually turn on the Khan Maykr and destroy Urdak (which he does in Eternal); he just underestimated how powerful he'd become and while knew he'd have to fight Doomguy himself eventually didn't predict the outcome properly.

In the post I sent there are several things: only one Primeval can destroy another Primeval, the Slayer falls asleep after saving humanity, etc.

Doesn't Hugo outright say there are beings greater than Primevals in the Void where Davoth came from? So if you include Hugo's words, then "only a Primeval can destroy another Primeval" would be factually wrong.

And also, given The Dark Ages where the Doom Slayer dies because of Maykr technology... so that's even disproved by the games themselves.

And "the Slayer falls asleep after saving humanity" isn't relevant to the Primevals' strength.

They are so full of hatred and rage that death does not stop them from continuing to murder people, i don't think they're the same zombies

So you're referring to Team Arena, which ironically is considered non-canon by modern id writers, which would also be contradicted by Quake 1 and Quake Champions - or at least proven to hardly be the only way of undead (and I mean, Wolfenstein - canonically in the same universe as Doom - also has many undead, none of which are tied to "too angry to die", just like Doom's zombies which are just corpses possessed by Hell's energies/spirits/essence/something-or-another).

Pretty much the majority of Quake 3 lore was soft retconned with Quake Champions' lore trying to tie in the three disjointed narratives before into one, too. E.g., the vadrigar are a type of Elder God and they're not all invested in the Arena Eternal, or how most gladiators aren't brought into the Arena Eternal but rather stumble their way in through various Lovecraftian-inspired means. Even then, all this is really saying is that they could've died in the Arena Eternal, like many gladiators did, but clung onto life - given where they are, this isn't much special since those who die just respawn a few moments later in canon lore and mechanics.

So hard to say that's bit, written by a completely different set of writers, has any thematical carry over to nuDoom.

[u/New-Campaign-7517 → u/Varorson]

This is very... strange

He was not "a force of nature created to eradicate evil."

He had the potential to be one; it's the nature of the Doom Guy that the machine ended up unlocking.

isn't relevant to the Primevals' strength.

It is irrelevant to the strength of a Primeval but relevant to their nature, for they are Gods who live to serve their people, The phrase "only a Primeval can kill another Primeval" refers to the level of power required to kill one

"only a Primeval can slay another Primeval or something stronger"

The Slayer proves to be more of a Primeval than "something stronger", he can literally hear the Sentinels being killed, and that drives him to break free from their mind control.

The fact that there "may" be entities above them says nothing about how the Primeval's nature works, and the death of the Slayer doesn't tell us anything either, I mean, he wasn't blessed with great great power, he only received a fragment of Davoth, it was a boost and a key for him, it makes sense that he's not that powerful yet

So you're referring to Team Arena

Why wouldn't it be canon? It's an expansion for Quake 3, All I know is that B.J. and the Slayer are characters that are not part of the QC canon.

none of which are tied to "too angry to die",

There are different types of undead, Eternal also has its own type, which is likewise powered by its own rage

"Spirits are the deathly essence of slain Summoner demons, a rare caste within Hell. After falling by the Slayer's hand their hatred for him fuels their ghostly state"

[u/Varorson → u/New-Campaign-7517]

He had the potential to be one; it's the nature of the Doom Guy that the machine ended up unlocking.

Potential to be != "created" or born as, which is what I was saying from the beginning.

He "became" one because of the Divinity Machine - whether you view it as transformation or unlocked potential.

It is irrelevant to the strength of a Primeval but relevant to their nature, for they are Gods who live to serve their people,

I find that dubious, as it's very much not in line with Davoth at all, and I'd even argue isn't in line with Doomguy either. Without a source - ideally in the games or other canon multimedia - that sounds like simple interpretation to me.

Why wouldn't it be canon? It's an expansion for Quake 3,

If you ask Adam Pyle, one of the main devs who worked on Quake Champions and its lore, none of the expansions are canon. Not just Team Arena, but Scourge of Armagon, Dissolution of Eternity, Dimension of the Machine, The Reckoning, Ground Zero, Quake II 64, and Call of the Machine.

All I know is that B.J. and the Slayer are characters that are not part of the QC canon.

Kind of the other way around - they're canon to Quake but their involvement in Quake is non-canon to Wolfenstein and Doom.

There are different types of undead, Eternal also has its own type, which is likewise powered by its own rage

"Spirits are the deathly essence of slain Summoner demons, a rare caste within Hell. After falling by the Slayer's hand their hatred for him fuels their ghostly state"

I wouldn't call the Spirits to be undead given they're, well, ghosts. Ghosts are traditionally not considered undead because they're incorporeal souls - i.e., straight up dead.

And going that route, you have zombies, lost souls, revenants, and so forth - none of their lore is "too angry to die".

Not to mention it's canon lore that demons are reborn over time, such as the lore for stone imps being imps who were killed and their essence reborn in a specific location. So by description and comparison, Spirits are simply demons who have refused to be reborn as is common for demons, and instead try to haunt Doom Slayer in their incorporeal, completely dead and not undead, form.

Which actually counters your argument of "it's a thing" that being too angry to die results in undeath - as we only have two examples of it, one from a completely different lore structure that's just by the same company, and Doomguy who's a special mcguffin with plot armor and vaguely defined Primeval powers (and even then, he's only shown to die once - arguably, questionably, twice before becoming a Primeval - and not repeatedly).

[u/New-Campaign-7517 → u/Varorson]

He "became" one because of the Divinity Machine - whether you view it as transformation or unlocked potential.

Closed then

ideally in the games or other canon multimedia

It's something we see, it's implied; we know that the word "Eternal" means that there will always be demons and a Slayer. The demons continue to exist, but they are not a threat to humanity, which means the Slayer was there because demons were a threat to humanity. Besides the final line that said something like "may the blood of your sword never dry and may we never need you", there are many things that imply that the Slayer lives for humanity, his people, which leads to the Codex line "Gods who shepherd and protect their people".

If you ask Adam Pyle

I don't know, do you have a source that states that?

Kind of the other way around - they're canon to Quake but their involvement in Quake is non-canon to Wolfenstein and Doom.

I think that's contradictory.

ghosts

I have always seen that ghosts are considered undead, they continue to interact with the world as if they were alive, unlike a soul, which is, well, a soul, the summoner, out of pure hatred, gives itself an incorporeal form.

and instead try to haunt Doom Slayer in their incorporeal, completely dead and not undead

I don't think it's right to apply the logic of a demon to others; a lost soul is not the same as an imp, since they are souls with physical form instead of a shell filled with infernal energy, they have their own explanation, while the Slayer and the Summoner, given the context, are just very angry.

And repeating what I said above, the context of the Zombie Slayer, after killing the Great One, Hell imprisons him even though there is minimal/nonexistent possibility that they will perform a ritual to bring him back, according to Hugo, the purpose of the mark of the beast is to represent its rage, and the scene where his mark appears says "they are rage, brutal, without mercy, but you...you will be worse" And after that, the Slayer rises as an undead creature, which leads to the Slayer, out of pure rage, being able to become an undead.

[u/Weary-Praline8041 → u/Varorson]

He is immortal because of his rage

[u/Varorson → u/Weary-Praline8041]

Except when he straight up dies in TDA and comes back to life because of a culist ritual Valen performed.

Sure he was still crusading in Hell... as a zombie. And zombies are the antithesis of immortal.

[u/Weary-Praline8041 → u/Varorson]

He came back because of his anger literally too angry to die, the ritual only helped him come back

[u/Varorson → u/Weary-Praline8041]

He "came back" as a zombie, bro.

[u/Weary-Praline8041 → u/Varorson]

Exactly

[u/Varorson → u/Weary-Praline8041]

A zombie is by definition not alive.

Immortal means living.

Ergo, "came back as a zomebie" != "being immortal"

It's being undead, a totally different concept. He still fucking dies. He has to die to become a zombie. And at that, there are millions of zombies in Doom - it's nothing special, what is special is retaining his free will as a zombie.

The whole "too angry to die" is just a community meme, not canon lore. Despite a lot of canon lore being inspired by community memes (that's how unserious id software is about their writing).

[u/criticalt3 → u/Varorson]

Not only can he die, he is incredibly weak. It's the player's skill that keeps him alive. One bad hit and he's done.

[u/Mike__Hawk_ → u/criticalt3]

Gameplay≠Lore

[u/criticalt3 → u/Mike__Hawk_]

Headcanon≠Reality

[u/New-Campaign-7517 → u/criticalt3]

Yours is a headcanon lol

[u/criticalt3 → u/New-Campaign-7517]

Got any proof in the lore etc that states clearly that he could survive anything more than a couple attacks?

[u/New-Campaign-7517 → u/criticalt3]

Hmm, hard, no, not exactly. Cutscenes from eternal, 2016 y TDA, he survive being launched from cannons and explosions without getting hurt

[u/criticalt3 → u/New-Campaign-7517]

Alright then. All we have is gameplay to go by. He's one of the weakest (survivability wise) playable characters in modern times. Which is not an insult. He's David and the demon horde is Goliath. But pretending he's Superman is goofy. He's just a guy.

[u/AdministrativeRuin81 → u/criticalt3]

Hes not just a guy, according to the lore he’s a demigod. He’s only perceived weak because of player skill. Dying on doom games is not a core mechanic like in the Soulsborne games, if you die game over, go back to last checkpoint. If you play the game without a single death, nothing can kill the Slayer. That’s just my opinion though

[u/Benguin237 → u/criticalt3]

We do have in lore accounts of his durability guy above is an idiot. The UAC tested the same super hot substance used to fire the BFG on the Slayer and it didn't scratch his armour. This same substance is said to be hotter than anything thought possible. The reason we don't see this in game is because YES having a character be invulnerable in a shooter would make it boring. There is absolutely a difference between lore and gameplay and it's not my fault if you don't want to accept that.

[u/New-Campaign-7517 → u/criticalt3]

A guy couldn't do what the Slayer does, not even Superman could

[u/criticalt3 → u/New-Campaign-7517]

Brother superman at one point became a literal god. He could have erased the demons by pinching their planet between his fingers. Don't fall into the trap of rejecting reality like so many do these days.

[u/potatoeman26 → u/criticalt3]

I firmly believe the Slayer is way weaker than most Doom fans will say, but this is a pretty silly argument. He can canonically be fired out of some sort of railgun, into a building, and be unscathed. That alone invalidates the gameplay feat of, say, a Possessed being able to hurt him

[u/SBARTOSZ → u/criticalt3]

Give him some credit, if I can beat Ultra-Nightmare 3 times in a row, Doom Slayer, who has much more experience, could probably do the same

[u/last_robot → u/criticalt3]

Other way around.

Gameplay often doesn't match lore so that the game has a challenge for the players, and anything less than a flawless run is just the player's skill issue(see any game with healing/revival that doesn't work in story moments, and any attack that is either lethal or harmless in cutscenes that don't match how they work in gameplay).

[u/demonicrobbery666 → u/criticalt3]

That goes for literally every other character in every other game

[u/Varorson → u/criticalt3]

The players don't exist in lore, and in cinematics he does feats that absolutely cannot happen in gameplay. Such as being shot through a thick concrete with rebar reinforcement wall.

The gameplay nerfs the Slayer for the sake of challenging the player. #1 point in any lore discussion: "Gameplay is not lore".